(03-21-2016 11:16 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 05:06 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 02:59 PM)Dylan Wrote:  Our center won't be as good as Shaq, there isn't one out there that is that's a senior and will transfer
We won't have anyone like Burrell
And our pg situation will not have Ricky Tarrant in it

So, in what world could we actually be pretty good?

We do lose much talent with Shaq and Burrell. But their leadertship and chemistry problems that they created will not be missed. Lawson can step up and fill some of that role. We badly need someone that has a real will to win.

Sounds like the same thing we heard when Spoon, Joe and Crawford left

Hmmm, I don't remember hearing that. And they also won a good bit. So yep, we could use those guys again. There has been quite the drop off since JJ, CC and Geron Johnson left.

(03-21-2016 01:24 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 11:16 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 05:06 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 02:59 PM)Dylan Wrote:  Our center won't be as good as Shaq, there isn't one out there that is that's a senior and will transfer
We won't have anyone like Burrell
And our pg situation will not have Ricky Tarrant in it

So, in what world could we actually be pretty good?

We do lose much talent with Shaq and Burrell. But their leadertship and chemistry problems that they created will not be missed. Lawson can step up and fill some of that role. We badly need someone that has a real will to win.

Sounds like the same thing we heard when Spoon, Joe and Crawford left

Hmmm, I don't remember hearing that. And they also won a good bit. So yep, we could use those guys again. There has been quite the drop off since JJ, CC and Geron Johnson left.

I guess you missed all the "he was forced to take Joe" posts

(03-21-2016 01:28 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:24 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 11:16 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 05:06 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 02:59 PM)Dylan Wrote:  Our center won't be as good as Shaq, there isn't one out there that is that's a senior and will transfer
We won't have anyone like Burrell
And our pg situation will not have Ricky Tarrant in it

So, in what world could we actually be pretty good?

We do lose much talent with Shaq and Burrell. But their leadertship and chemistry problems that they created will not be missed. Lawson can step up and fill some of that role. We badly need someone that has a real will to win.

Sounds like the same thing we heard when Spoon, Joe and Crawford left

Hmmm, I don't remember hearing that. And they also won a good bit. So yep, we could use those guys again. There has been quite the drop off since JJ, CC and Geron Johnson left.

I guess you missed all the "he was forced to take Joe" posts

Without Joe Jackson--Josh is 0-7 in going to NCAA tournaments

(03-21-2016 02:09 PM)TigerPhil Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:28 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:24 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 11:16 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 05:06 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  We do lose much talent with Shaq and Burrell. But their leadertship and chemistry problems that they created will not be missed. Lawson can step up and fill some of that role. We badly need someone that has a real will to win.

Sounds like the same thing we heard when Spoon, Joe and Crawford left

Hmmm, I don't remember hearing that. And they also won a good bit. So yep, we could use those guys again. There has been quite the drop off since JJ, CC and Geron Johnson left.

I guess you missed all the "he was forced to take Joe" posts

Without Joe Jackson--Josh is 0-7 in going to NCAA tournaments

In hindsight Joe should have transferred during his sophomore year and Pastner would have been let go 4 years ago.

(03-21-2016 02:09 PM)TigerPhil Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:28 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:24 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 11:16 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 05:06 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  We do lose much talent with Shaq and Burrell. But their leadertship and chemistry problems that they created will not be missed. Lawson can step up and fill some of that role. We badly need someone that has a real will to win.

Sounds like the same thing we heard when Spoon, Joe and Crawford left

Hmmm, I don't remember hearing that. And they also won a good bit. So yep, we could use those guys again. There has been quite the drop off since JJ, CC and Geron Johnson left.

I guess you missed all the "he was forced to take Joe" posts

Without Joe Jackson--Josh is 0-7 in going to NCAA tournaments

0-3 right? With Joe and Crawford, Pastner has gone to 4 tourneys and won two games; without them he has been to none in three seasons.

(03-20-2016 05:14 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  I am predicting the worst season in Memphis tiger basketball history.

I think you are wrong on this one. Moe Iba's 69/70 season of 6-20 is the worst I could come up with.

(03-21-2016 03:29 PM)2tigers Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 05:14 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  I am predicting the worst season in Memphis tiger basketball history.

I think you are wrong on this one. Moe Iba's 69/70 season of 6-20 is the worst I could come up with.

Great - second or third worst then.

#parade

I think Josh schedules easy non-conference teams to get the win column up and squeaks across the line with a barely winning record. Mediocre doesn't get him fired. I don't see Josh being let go after the 16-17 season unless it is absolutely horrible.

(03-21-2016 03:33 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 03:29 PM)2tigers Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 05:14 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  I am predicting the worst season in Memphis tiger basketball history.

I think you are wrong on this one. Moe Iba's 69/70 season of 6-20 is the worst I could come up with.

Great - second or third worst then.

#parade

What will you post about if the season is better than what you think it will be.

(03-21-2016 03:40 PM)2tigers Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 03:33 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 03:29 PM)2tigers Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 05:14 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  I am predicting the worst season in Memphis tiger basketball history.

I think you are wrong on this one. Moe Iba's 69/70 season of 6-20 is the worst I could come up with.

Great - second or third worst then.

#parade

What will you post about if the season is better than what you think it will be.

Nothing but an NCAA run is acceptable in year 8.

Not sure what "better" than I think has anything to do with it - I expect them to miss postseaon play for the third straight year, but they make it to the NIT?

#parade

(03-21-2016 03:41 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 03:40 PM)2tigers Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 03:33 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 03:29 PM)2tigers Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 05:14 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  I am predicting the worst season in Memphis tiger basketball history.

I think you are wrong on this one. Moe Iba's 69/70 season of 6-20 is the worst I could come up with.

Great - second or third worst then.

#parade

What will you post about if the season is better than what you think it will be.

Nothing but an NCAA run is acceptable in year 8.

Not sure what "better" than I think has anything to do with it - I expect them to miss postseaon play for the third straight year, but they make it to the NIT?

#parade

Lol

(03-21-2016 03:29 PM)2tigers Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 05:14 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  I am predicting the worst season in Memphis tiger basketball history.

I think you are wrong on this one. Moe Iba's 69/70 season of 6-20 is the worst I could come up with.

I saw those team and had a friend play on it. Penny's East team would beat it unless James Douglas scored 40. With a shot clock it would not have won a game. That being said, times are different and staring a 10-21 year is basically the same thing and you don't have Finch and Robinson coming in to change the program.

(03-21-2016 10:48 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 10:09 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  meh. Pretty much the same as the past 2 years. No matter who transfers out/in, we'll have enough roster to squeeze out 18 wins or so. But fewer will attend or tune-in to see it.

And the first time in modern history we've had 3 straight years without post-season play - I believe.

Pastner couldn't squeeze out 18 wins this season with a NCAA-quality roster. What makes you think he's going to do better with a significantly worse one.

Well we actually won 19, so there's that.

So not better, just not much different. Past 2 years 19 wins and 18 I think. Pretty much the same next year. You're almost guaranteed 15 wins. Then we lose about 3 we shouldn't and we win 3 50/50 games.

(03-21-2016 09:02 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 10:48 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 10:09 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  meh. Pretty much the same as the past 2 years. No matter who transfers out/in, we'll have enough roster to squeeze out 18 wins or so. But fewer will attend or tune-in to see it.

And the first time in modern history we've had 3 straight years without post-season play - I believe.

Pastner couldn't squeeze out 18 wins this season with a NCAA-quality roster. What makes you think he's going to do better with a significantly worse one.

Well we actually won 19, so there's that.

So not better, just not much different. Past 2 years 19 wins and 18 I think. Pretty much the same next year. You're almost guaranteed 15 wins. Then we lose about 3 we shouldn't and we win 3 50/50 games.

I'm having trouble seeing who will be there to play for Pastner, unless they get encouraged. We are talking about Avery possibly high tailing it outta here, even.

We are now reduced to begging Avery Woodson to put on Tiger uni....?
Holy crap that sux.

Without all the people whose last name starts with L and M we are in supreme trouble.

I'm not the Josh hater that many others are--more of a glass half-full type--but on the surface, it does appear that next year's Tigers could struggle big time. Significant player losses with possibly more to come, and not nearly enough talent to cover the departures--at least not yet. Hoping for the best, but fearing the worst.

Either way, I'll be watching.....

I don't know too many Josh haters, Hoots.

Most just think he can't coach a lick and is destroying the program. They don't hate the man personally, just the subpar job he is doing.

(03-21-2016 09:02 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 10:48 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 10:09 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  meh. Pretty much the same as the past 2 years. No matter who transfers out/in, we'll have enough roster to squeeze out 18 wins or so. But fewer will attend or tune-in to see it.

And the first time in modern history we've had 3 straight years without post-season play - I believe.

Pastner couldn't squeeze out 18 wins this season with a NCAA-quality roster. What makes you think he's going to do better with a significantly worse one.

Well we actually won 19, so there's that.

So not better, just not much different. Past 2 years 19 wins and 18 I think. Pretty much the same next year. You're almost guaranteed 15 wins. Then we lose about 3 we shouldn't and we win 3 50/50 games.

You're in for a rude awakening next year. Do you really think we're replacing Dedric, Woodson, Shaq, Tarrant, and Burrell with equivalent talent? And yes, Dedric and Woodson are gone.

(03-22-2016 09:24 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  And yes, Dedric and Woodson are gone.

Dayum

(03-22-2016 09:03 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I don't know too many Josh haters, Hoots.

Most just think he can't coach a lick and is destroying the program. They don't hate the man personally, just the subpar job he is doing.

And I think most of us who consider ourselves optimists get that. No one is happy with how the last two seasons played out - maybe we all have varying degrees of disappointment / anger. But it is hard to even discuss Tiger basketball when those coming down hardest on Josh consistently resort to hyperbole, worst case scenarios, misinformation, and name calling. Reread this one thread and you see that we will have the worst season ever (which we won't), that Spoon, JJ, and Crawford "left" (graduated / exhausted their eligibility), and that Pastner couldn't win 18 games with last year's team (when he won 19). People who aren't necessarily looking to defend Josh still seem to find themselves mopping up the mess that every thread seems to turn into.

I just wonder how many people that commented in this thread are actual supporters ? 30 % maybe ?