(03-19-2016 03:06 PM)back2vinyl Wrote:  People keep talking about Huggins. I love the guy, but he lost big to a 14 seed this year in the first round. Just saying.

If you are going to mention the loss to a 14 this year, you also have to mention...

He also has 2 FF, 1 EE and maybe 4 SS. Add 11 conference championships and 10 Conference tourney championships. UC was ranked #1 at times under Bob and was a perennial Top 25 team. Bob's teams have made the tournament 22 out of 31 years.

Got to talk about the good if you're gonna bring up the bad.

Ken Broo was talking about keeping Mick but getting the program the offensive help it needs to take the next step by hiring a very good offensive minded assistant coach to revamp UC's offense.

It sounds like a good idea in theory but I get the impression that Mick might be a bit stubborn about letting someone else take the lead on that.

(03-19-2016 05:26 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 03:06 PM)back2vinyl Wrote:  People keep talking about Huggins. I love the guy, but he lost big to a 14 seed this year in the first round. Just saying.

If you are going to mention the loss to a 14 this year, you also have to mention...

He also has 2 FF, 1 EE and maybe 4 SS. Add 11 conference championships and 10 Conference tourney championships. UC was ranked #1 at times under Bob and was a perennial Top 25 team. Bob's teams have made the tournament 22 out of 31 years.

Got to talk about the good if you're gonna bring up the bad.

It was a tough loss for huggs but Stephen f Austin probably closer to 7 seed quality than 14 seed. Kenpom 25th ranked team that was able to take care of the ball against wvu press.

(03-19-2016 04:59 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 04:25 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 03:33 PM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  I think success in the NCAA is due to frontcourts. Most all teams in the tournament have above average guards..But the top teams have Bigs and top swing players.

I guess my counter to that would be Ben Simmons. Easily the best big in the country, can abuse anybody, what good did it do LSU?
Add to that, Baylor losing the other day. They had a VERY talented front court and so/so guards and they went down to Yale. Why? Because nobody could stop Makai Mason. Duke managed to beat them, because their backcourt wasn't a no-show and they held Mason to 2-12 from the floor.

Yale also won because its bigs really hit the glass.

I don't buy that argument, Baylor bricked so many mid-long range shots that Yale had to out-rebound them.

Huggs also had a roster that wouldn't exactly scream top 10 rank and win over consensus #1 Kansas.

(03-19-2016 05:29 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Ken Broo was talking about keeping Mick but getting the program the offensive help it needs to take the next step by hiring a very good offensive minded assistant coach to revamp UC's offense.

It sounds like a good idea in theory but I get the impression that Mick might be a bit stubborn about letting someone else take the lead on that.

Doesn't Smart at Texas utilize something like offensive and defensive coordinators?

I can't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure the coaching duties are pretty unique there.

(03-19-2016 05:32 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  It was a tough loss for huggs but Stephen f Austin probably closer to 7 seed quality than 14 seed. Kenpom 25th ranked team that was able to take care of the ball against wvu press.

If I'm not mistaken, they were 2 spots behind UC to start the tournament and every other #14 was comfortably into the 100's.

I expect them to win tomorrow.

I like all of the assistants so I don't know what you do, but it wouldn't be the worst idea to hire an offensive mind or at least someone that has some serious AAU connections so the offensive talent level improves with better players. Easier said than done though.

The offense should improve next year as Washington and Evans as a sophomore should be big upgrades from Rllis and Thomas, but they will also be defensive downgrades. Cobb's shooting will be missed, but defense from that position will improve.

If Cumberland is good enough to start than the starting lineup will be very solid. Bench? Who knows?

I don't think Mick would fire an assistant but Davis could get interviewed, maybe Savino. If we lose a coach my priority would be recruiting, not offensive orientation.

On a semi related heard on the pregame that Virginia is last in the country in tempo. I'd like to play faster but you can win playing slow. Either way we have to get more efficient which we should with our guys coming back and Cumberland coming in.

(03-19-2016 06:12 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  I like all of the assistants so I don't know what you do, but it wouldn't be the worst idea to hire an offensive mind or at least someone that has some serious AAU connections so the offensive talent level improves with better players. Easier said than done though.

The offense should improve next year as Washington and Evans as a sophomore should be big upgrades from Rllis and Thomas, but they will also be defensive downgrades. Cobb's shooting will be missed, but defense from that position will improve.

If Cumberland is good enough to start than the starting lineup will be very solid. Bench? Who knows?

How does anyone know Washington is this big up grade? I thought he only averaged about 6 points per game.

I would keep Cronin no matter what happens on the court. Clean program, no negative image. He's done a perfect job. Remember that the wins and losses are secondary to the success of these student athletes in their pursuit of a degree.

I'd be happy with 0-22 as long as they all graduate. I expect rosewater and BearcatsUC agree.

(03-19-2016 06:45 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  I would keep Cronin no matter what happens on the court. Clean program, no negative image. He's done a perfect job. Remember that the wins and losses are secondary to the success of these student athletes in their pursuit of a degree.

I'd be happy with 0-22 as long as they all graduate. I expect rosewater and BearcatsUC agree.

I appreciate your passion for all things academics as I agree that should be part of the student-athlete experience and what our university strives for. But dude, 0-22? Please stop with that.

(03-19-2016 06:04 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 05:29 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Ken Broo was talking about keeping Mick but getting the program the offensive help it needs to take the next step by hiring a very good offensive minded assistant coach to revamp UC's offense.

It sounds like a good idea in theory but I get the impression that Mick might be a bit stubborn about letting someone else take the lead on that.

Doesn't Smart at Texas utilize something like offensive and defensive coordinators?

I can't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure the coaching duties are pretty unique there.

If Mick can't at least improve the offense that says a lot to me.

To me the stuff that they do terribly is obvious and very easy to fix.

First, My biggest gripe is the "screens" they set. They accomplish nothing since the bigs were never positioned correctly and the guards never used them properly.

Secondly, why in the hell Mick insists on slamming the brakes on constantly just makes no sense to me. Caupain, one of your best players already has the ball in his hands, just tell to put pressure on the defense. I just got done watching what two real PGs do to a defense. Ullis and Farrell are constantly probing the defense, it makes them difficult to guard and it opens others up. Most of the time to me it looks like Caupain does the complete opposite, he stops just passed mid court and looks like he's waiting for the defense to get set for some reason.

None of Mick's coaching on offense makes any sense to me, maybe if he explained it I would see what he is at least trying to do.

(03-19-2016 07:07 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 06:04 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 05:29 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Ken Broo was talking about keeping Mick but getting the program the offensive help it needs to take the next step by hiring a very good offensive minded assistant coach to revamp UC's offense.

It sounds like a good idea in theory but I get the impression that Mick might be a bit stubborn about letting someone else take the lead on that.

Doesn't Smart at Texas utilize something like offensive and defensive coordinators?

I can't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure the coaching duties are pretty unique there.

If Mick can't at least improve the offense that says a lot to me.

To me the stuff that they do terribly is obvious and very easy to fix.

First, My biggest gripe is the "screens" they set. They accomplish nothing since the bigs were never positioned correctly and the guards never used them properly.

Secondly, why in the hell Mick insists on slamming the brakes on constantly just makes no sense to me. Caupain, one of your best players already has the ball in his hands, just tell to put pressure on the defense. I just got done watching what two real PGs do to a defense. Ullis and Farrell are constantly probing the defense, it makes them difficult to guard and it opens others up. Most of the time to me it looks like Caupain does the complete opposite, he stops just passed mid court and looks like he's waiting for the defense to get set for some reason.

None of Mick's coaching on offense makes any sense to me, maybe if he explained it I would see what he is at least trying to do.

Well said. Cincinnati has good fans that watch a lot of college basketball. It's become painfully obvious that the offensive possessions are just something to fill time until they get back on defense. On those rare occasions when they actually push the ball down the court there is usually a positive outcome: a shot taken in rhythm, a penetration into the lane for a score, to draw a foul or a pass from the inside out to catch a long range shooter wide open. We certainly saw opponents do all of the above against UC this year.

Every year with Mick is "wait until next year." Like with football, I've lowered my expectations to mediocrity until there are coaching changes. That could be a decade from now.

Have to keep Cronin until we move into the ACC or Big12. We'll never replace him without P5 money.

Football is a question mark. I can't tell if the conference affiliation makes success impossible or if it can happen with the right coach. But any coach we bring in could be the next Todd Graham or Paul Cryst and is unlikely to be the next Tom Herman.

(03-19-2016 07:28 PM)digibrink Wrote:  Have to keep Cronin until we move into the ACC or Big12. We'll never replace him without P5 money.

Football is a question mark. I can't tell if the conference affiliation makes success impossible or if it can happen with the right coach. But any coach we bring in could be the next Todd Graham or Paul Cryst and is unlikely to be the next Tom Herman.

Why not? Xavier went thru a slew of coaches without P5 money and while in a so so conference. They seemed to get better each time.

(03-19-2016 06:45 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  I would keep Cronin no matter what happens on the court. Clean program, no negative image. He's done a perfect job. Remember that the wins and losses are secondary to the success of these student athletes in their pursuit of a degree.

I'd be happy with 0-22 as long as they all graduate. I expect rosewater and BearcatsUC agree.

there is a league for this type of thinking...it's called Ivy.

This isn't 1935 dude....time to live in the now.

0-22? lol please. In what universe would that be ok? Not even in the Ivy.

Look at his screen name.

(03-19-2016 07:57 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 06:45 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  I would keep Cronin no matter what happens on the court. Clean program, no negative image. He's done a perfect job. Remember that the wins and losses are secondary to the success of these student athletes in their pursuit of a degree.

I'd be happy with 0-22 as long as they all graduate. I expect rosewater and BearcatsUC agree.

there is a league for this type of thinking...it's called Ivy.

This isn't 1935 dude....time to live in the now.

0-22? lol please. In what universe would that be ok? Not even in the Ivy.

Actually it's called "Division 3." Even the Ivies have gotten competitive as we learned against Harvard and as Yale reminded again this year.