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RE: Should Coach K Add Billy Donlon to His Staff?
(03-19-2016 09:50 AM)MotoRocket Wrote: I think a lot of people were also upset when Bohl fired Simrel. Maybe their AD has higher expectations and a plan to get there. We could use some of that in our basketball programs. No one should be out-recruiting us in the MAC. We put fans in the stands. Tradition rich in men's basketball - but you have to go back almost 40 years now.
We maybe should not be critical of their AD but rather asking what ours is doing to improve our programs? My opinion is that we accept mediocrity as long as we are graduating players and not having any more scandals or other problems. Those are admirable - but winning while doing those things as well doesn't seem to be out of the question to ask for.
I agree. I refuse to accept an "either/or" dilemma that says we can either graduate all/almost all of our athletes, with B grade average or better, and as model citizens of the community, OR we can win MAC championships. Seems to me quite a few MAC schools have somehow found a way to do both, including in non-revenue sports. How many MAC championships, in anything, have we won over the past 5 seasons? Not counting Division titles I'm going to guess its about 3.
Patting ourselves on the back for having teams of great young men & women seems odd...there are MANY college students who are great young men & women, including many who aren't athletes.
We did have some character/academic issues and they needed to be addressed...as should be expected. Certainly better than before. But no banners for that.
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RE: Should Coach K Add Billy Donlon to His Staff?
(03-19-2016 10:24 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote: (03-19-2016 09:50 AM)MotoRocket Wrote: I think a lot of people were also upset when Bohl fired Simrel. Maybe their AD has higher expectations and a plan to get there. We could use some of that in our basketball programs. No one should be out-recruiting us in the MAC. We put fans in the stands. Tradition rich in men's basketball - but you have to go back almost 40 years now.
We maybe should not be critical of their AD but rather asking what ours is doing to improve our programs? My opinion is that we accept mediocrity as long as we are graduating players and not having any more scandals or other problems. Those are admirable - but winning while doing those things as well doesn't seem to be out of the question to ask for.
I agree. I refuse to accept an "either/or" dilemma that says we can either graduate all/almost all of our athletes, with B grade average or better, and as model citizens of the community, OR we can win MAC championships. Seems to me quite a few MAC schools have somehow found a way to do both, including in non-revenue sports. How many MAC championships, in anything, have we won over the past 5 seasons? Not counting Division titles I'm going to guess its about 3.
Patting ourselves on the back for having teams of great young men & women seems odd...there are MANY college students who are great young men & women, including many who aren't athletes.
We did have some character/academic issues and they needed to be addressed...as should be expected. Certainly better than before. But no banners for that.
Absolutely, we should be able to have both good academics/character and success on the court. I would argue that Cullop and Kowalczyk have, in fact, done both. Yes, this past season was average for both teams. But prior to that, both coaches won regular season MAC championships (Cullop won two). I know, I know, it's all about the Big Dance. But, I still think that winning the regular season championship is a more impressive accomplishment then winning 3 or 4 games in the conference tournament. I know that the regular season championship does not have the rewards that the conference tournament championship does.
I don't think that I am accepting mediocrity because I support coaches who have won a lot of games and have good academics and players with high character. Finishing in first place in your conference is not mediocre.
By the way, the Wright State AD had stopped speaking to Billy Donlon, so they had personal issues beyond the performance on the court.
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RE: Should Coach K Add Billy Donlon to His Staff?
There is a time for tides to turn. Yes we fans have accepted as adequate, coaches that have led the teams to good academics and solid citizenship because the programs did go through hell and it wasn't all that long ago. That's normal. Perhaps others are also right that we've been back to normal in that regard long enough and it's time to keep that and start putting teams out there that win their share of championships. Also reasoned opinion.
I do think undervalued though, our coaches seem to be graduating athletes that really know how to go out in the world and be successful beyond sports. So, from a fan POV, I'd like the kids to be able to raise a league trophy. That's a very visible thing, a happy thing. But I would not want to get rid of a coach who has accomplished all those other things even lacking that trophy. I just wouldn't. As long as our coaches are producing accomplished people and remain good representatives of the University, I would rather just keep hoping the championship will come.
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RE: Should Coach K Add Billy Donlon to His Staff?
Donlan's finishes in the Horizon League:
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No NCAA's, no NIT's
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RE: Should Coach K Add Billy Donlon to His Staff?
(03-19-2016 12:40 PM)eastisbest Wrote: There is a time for tides to turn. Yes we fans have accepted as adequate, coaches that have led the teams to good academics and solid citizenship because the programs did go through hell and it wasn't all that long ago. That's normal. Perhaps others are also right that we've been back to normal in that regard long enough and it's time to keep that and start putting teams out there that win their share of championships. Also reasoned opinion.
I do think undervalued though, our coaches seem to be graduating athletes that really know how to go out in the world and be successful beyond sports. So, from a fan POV, I'd like the kids to be able to raise a league trophy. That's a very visible thing, a happy thing. But I would not want to get rid of a coach who has accomplished all those other things even lacking that trophy. I just wouldn't. As long as our coaches are producing accomplished people and remain good representatives of the University, I would rather just keep hoping the championship will come.
You and I have disagreed more than once on different issues on this site. This is not 1 of those times +1
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RE: Should Coach K Add Billy Donlon to His Staff?
(03-19-2016 10:24 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote: (03-19-2016 09:50 AM)MotoRocket Wrote: I think a lot of people were also upset when Bohl fired Simrel. Maybe their AD has higher expectations and a plan to get there. We could use some of that in our basketball programs. No one should be out-recruiting us in the MAC. We put fans in the stands. Tradition rich in men's basketball - but you have to go back almost 40 years now.
We maybe should not be critical of their AD but rather asking what ours is doing to improve our programs? My opinion is that we accept mediocrity as long as we are graduating players and not having any more scandals or other problems. Those are admirable - but winning while doing those things as well doesn't seem to be out of the question to ask for.
I agree. I refuse to accept an "either/or" dilemma that says we can either graduate all/almost all of our athletes, with B grade average or better, and as model citizens of the community, OR we can win MAC championships. Seems to me quite a few MAC schools have somehow found a way to do both, including in non-revenue sports. How many MAC championships, in anything, have we won over the past 5 seasons? Not counting Division titles I'm going to guess its about 3.
Patting ourselves on the back for having teams of great young men & women seems odd...there are MANY college students who are great young men & women, including many who aren't athletes.
We did have some character/academic issues and they needed to be addressed...as should be expected. Certainly better than before. But no banners for that.
Women's country and soccer alone have five over that period. Hoops has a couple I think. Maybe swimming has one. But pretty much getting shut out the last couple years.
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RE: Should Coach K Add Billy Donlon to His Staff?
Soccer: Reg Season Champs 2008, 2010 (co), 2011; Tourney Champs: 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011
WXC: MAC Champs 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014
Swimming: MAC Champs 2010, 2012
WBB: Regular Season Champs 2012-13
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RE: Should Coach K Add Billy Donlon to His Staff?
(03-19-2016 05:35 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote: Soccer: Reg Season Champs 2008, 2010 (co), 2011; Tourney Champs: 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011
WXC: MAC Champs 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014
Swimming: MAC Champs 2010, 2012
WBB: Regular Season Champs 2012-13
Men's Basketball Regular Season Co-Champions 2013-2014
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