(03-15-2016 03:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 12:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 11:52 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 08:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 09:11 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  The Southern Conference played the first basketball tournament for the champion in 1921 because there were so many schools in the conference. What would become the SEC played in those tournaments until 1932. Then 13 schools left the SoCon and the future ACC schools stayed. The Southern Conference from 1933 to 1953 IS the ACC.

Not sure this is a reasonable characterization. While the Southern Conference during the 1930s and 1940s did include the core modern ACC schools, it also had Washington and Lee, VMI, George Washington, Richmond, William and Mary, the Citadel, Furman, and Davidson. To call that the ACC makes little sense, it was the Southern Conference, a different entity. The ACC came into existence in 1953, just as the SEC did in 1933. Everything before then was something different.

I think it clear my point stands: Contrary to what other posters claimed, among today's P5, the SEC had the first basketball tournament, well before the ACC did, and therefore the notion that the ACC has the oldest tournament and "invented" the conference b-ball tournament is ... wrong.

Believe what you want Quo, you always do. By the way here are the Southern Conference basketball records from 21-1953. Looks pretty much like the ACC doesn't it?

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Any, keep on thinking the SEC was first if that makes you happy.

You are trying to counter the obvious fact that the Southern Conference from the 1930s to the 1950s clearly was not the ACC with a description of who won the basketball tournaments? That's pretty

The Southern Conference had the first basketball tournament, but that wasn't the issue. The issue was the claim by other posters that (a) the ACC had a basketball tournament before the SEC, and (b) the ACC invented the conference basketball tournament, and then my claim that © among the current Power leagues, the SEC had the first basketball tournament.

Both of the first two claims are obviously false, while the third, by me, is obviously true, and the Southern Conference history between 1921 - and whenever has literally nothing to do with it.

Columbus discovered America. This is a generally accepted statement, despite the efforts of Lief Ericson. By the same logic, the ACC invented the confernence basketball tournament as a Big Deal. The SEC tournament was allowed to lapse, which makes it the Vinland of conference tournaments. And the SoCon tournaments, nobody cares, much like the indigenous Americans of 1492.

You are conflating different things. Had the original poster claimed that the ACC tournament is the most famous tournament, the one most college basketball fans identify as having the richest legacy and being the most prominent, then I would not have chimed in to disagree, because all of that is true.

But that's a different issue than claiming that the ACC had a tournament before the SEC did. And that's wrong, so I corrected them about it.

(03-16-2016 12:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 03:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 12:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 11:52 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 08:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Not sure this is a reasonable characterization. While the Southern Conference during the 1930s and 1940s did include the core modern ACC schools, it also had Washington and Lee, VMI, George Washington, Richmond, William and Mary, the Citadel, Furman, and Davidson. To call that the ACC makes little sense, it was the Southern Conference, a different entity. The ACC came into existence in 1953, just as the SEC did in 1933. Everything before then was something different.

I think it clear my point stands: Contrary to what other posters claimed, among today's P5, the SEC had the first basketball tournament, well before the ACC did, and therefore the notion that the ACC has the oldest tournament and "invented" the conference b-ball tournament is ... wrong.

Believe what you want Quo, you always do. By the way here are the Southern Conference basketball records from 21-1953. Looks pretty much like the ACC doesn't it?

.............

Any, keep on thinking the SEC was first if that makes you happy.

You are trying to counter the obvious fact that the Southern Conference from the 1930s to the 1950s clearly was not the ACC with a description of who won the basketball tournaments? That's pretty

The Southern Conference had the first basketball tournament, but that wasn't the issue. The issue was the claim by other posters that (a) the ACC had a basketball tournament before the SEC, and (b) the ACC invented the conference basketball tournament, and then my claim that © among the current Power leagues, the SEC had the first basketball tournament.

Both of the first two claims are obviously false, while the third, by me, is obviously true, and the Southern Conference history between 1921 - and whenever has literally nothing to do with it.

Columbus discovered America. This is a generally accepted statement, despite the efforts of Lief Ericson. By the same logic, the ACC invented the confernence basketball tournament as a Big Deal. The SEC tournament was allowed to lapse, which makes it the Vinland of conference tournaments. And the SoCon tournaments, nobody cares, much like the indigenous Americans of 1492.

You are conflating different things. Had the original poster claimed that the ACC tournament is the most famous tournament, the one most college basketball fans identify as having the richest legacy and being the most prominent, then I would not have chimed in to disagree, because all of that is true.

But that's a different issue than claiming that the ACC had a tournament before the SEC did. And that's wrong, so I corrected them about it.

I am conflating. Bearforce said the ACC's was older, Erictelevision said ACC invented the conference tourney. Bearforce was the first one you responded to.

I'd still say that Erictelevision was right, but you're right about Bearforce.