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(03-17-2016 09:48 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
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(03-15-2016 05:11 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-15-2016 11:16 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-15-2016 10:10 AM)nole Wrote:  IMHO there are multiple goals:

1) COMPARABLE revenue....maybe 80% of SEC/B1G. Without this, whole thing is pointless.

2) POSTIVE coverage.....the ACC needs an ADVOCATE. The belief this doesn't matter is crazy. It is huge.

YES and YES!

I'd even add to #2 that I also agree with Flossy - it needs to be YEAR ROUND coverage. If it's not 24 hours a day, that's ok, but there needs to be multiple ACC-centric shows every week, all year. Like right now, somebody needs to be covering stories coming out of ACC spring practices...

You have the best sports broadcasting program in the country in the ACC...set up a studio there. Let Syracuse work with other ACC schools to produce many of the Olympic Sports broadcasts.

Or, perhaps have the best sports broadcasting program in the country have a full term internship in Charlotte utilizing existing ESPN and/or Raycom studios in that city?

Cheers,
Neil

Because Syracuse has the facilities and the league would do well with a little less bias from NC. So tired of the ACC Network hacks who don't do their homework on the non-NC teams.

Care to name names?
I have always found that Brando, Brant, Bonner and Gminski do a much better job than the ESPN announcers. Which is why when the games are on TV in Greensboro on both ESPN and the ACC network I find it much more preferable to watch the ACC network because the announcers are so much more knowledgeable about the teams in the league...........even Syracuse.
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I don't care if the studio is in Charlotte, Syracuse, or Newberry SC... as long as they cover ACC football year-round in a professional manner which also promotes the conference, I'd be fine with it.
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Newberry would be an upgrade from Greensboro..
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(03-17-2016 02:10 PM)milerock Wrote:  Newberry would be an upgrade from Greensboro..

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(03-17-2016 09:48 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-15-2016 05:46 PM)omniorange Wrote:  
(03-15-2016 05:11 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-15-2016 11:16 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-15-2016 10:10 AM)nole Wrote:  IMHO there are multiple goals:

1) COMPARABLE revenue....maybe 80% of SEC/B1G. Without this, whole thing is pointless.

2) POSTIVE coverage.....the ACC needs an ADVOCATE. The belief this doesn't matter is crazy. It is huge.

YES and YES!

I'd even add to #2 that I also agree with Flossy - it needs to be YEAR ROUND coverage. If it's not 24 hours a day, that's ok, but there needs to be multiple ACC-centric shows every week, all year. Like right now, somebody needs to be covering stories coming out of ACC spring practices...

You have the best sports broadcasting program in the country in the ACC...set up a studio there. Let Syracuse work with other ACC schools to produce many of the Olympic Sports broadcasts.

Or, perhaps have the best sports broadcasting program in the country have a full term internship in Charlotte utilizing existing ESPN and/or Raycom studios in that city?

Cheers,
Neil

Because Syracuse has the facilities and the league would do well with a little less bias from NC. So tired of the ACC Network hacks who don't do their homework on the non-NC teams.

Are you talking about the Newhouse School?
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(03-17-2016 09:53 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(03-17-2016 09:48 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-15-2016 05:46 PM)omniorange Wrote:  
(03-15-2016 05:11 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-15-2016 11:16 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  YES and YES!

I'd even add to #2 that I also agree with Flossy - it needs to be YEAR ROUND coverage. If it's not 24 hours a day, that's ok, but there needs to be multiple ACC-centric shows every week, all year. Like right now, somebody needs to be covering stories coming out of ACC spring practices...

You have the best sports broadcasting program in the country in the ACC...set up a studio there. Let Syracuse work with other ACC schools to produce many of the Olympic Sports broadcasts.

Or, perhaps have the best sports broadcasting program in the country have a full term internship in Charlotte utilizing existing ESPN and/or Raycom studios in that city?

Cheers,
Neil

Because Syracuse has the facilities and the league would do well with a little less bias from NC. So tired of the ACC Network hacks who don't do their homework on the non-NC teams.

Are you talking about the Newhouse School?

Yes...there is Newhouse 1, 2 and 3 now. It would make an excellent auxiliary (back office) to produce Tier 3 broadcasts.

http://newhouse.syr.edu/

XLance: As for Raycom...you have to watch some of Cuse's games to see. Some are okay but others you can tell are going through the motions and didn't do their homework. The stupidest money wasting thing ever...having two different teams broadcasting certain ACC games.

I understand the proud history of Jeff-Pilot, Raycom, et al...but the sooner Raycom gets absorbed the better
http://raycomsports.com/expanded-company-history/
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(03-18-2016 10:00 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-17-2016 09:53 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(03-17-2016 09:48 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-15-2016 05:46 PM)omniorange Wrote:  
(03-15-2016 05:11 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  You have the best sports broadcasting program in the country in the ACC...set up a studio there. Let Syracuse work with other ACC schools to produce many of the Olympic Sports broadcasts.

Or, perhaps have the best sports broadcasting program in the country have a full term internship in Charlotte utilizing existing ESPN and/or Raycom studios in that city?

Cheers,
Neil

Because Syracuse has the facilities and the league would do well with a little less bias from NC. So tired of the ACC Network hacks who don't do their homework on the non-NC teams.

Are you talking about the Newhouse School?

Yes...there is Newhouse 1, 2 and 3 now. It would make an excellent auxiliary (back office) to produce Tier 3 broadcasts.

http://newhouse.syr.edu/

XLance: As for Raycom...you have to watch some of Cuse's games to see. Some are okay but others you can tell are going through the motions and didn't do their homework. The stupidest money wasting thing ever...having two different teams broadcasting certain ACC games.

I understand the proud history of Jeff-Pilot, Raycom, et al...but the sooner Raycom gets absorbed the better
http://raycomsports.com/expanded-company-history/

I don't know of any games with two broadcast crews other than Duke-UNC and some ACC Tournament games and there's an excellent reason to do it that way for those games. The ACC makes a large amount of money off both the ESPN broadcasts and the syndicated broadcasts, far more than can be made off either set of broadcasts standing alone. This may not make much sense if you live in NY but if you live in NC it makes perfect sense. The syndicated broadcasts, particularly Duke-UNC, are a very big deal here.
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(03-18-2016 04:15 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(03-18-2016 10:00 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-17-2016 09:53 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(03-17-2016 09:48 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-15-2016 05:46 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Or, perhaps have the best sports broadcasting program in the country have a full term internship in Charlotte utilizing existing ESPN and/or Raycom studios in that city?

Cheers,
Neil

Because Syracuse has the facilities and the league would do well with a little less bias from NC. So tired of the ACC Network hacks who don't do their homework on the non-NC teams.

Are you talking about the Newhouse School?

Yes...there is Newhouse 1, 2 and 3 now. It would make an excellent auxiliary (back office) to produce Tier 3 broadcasts.

http://newhouse.syr.edu/

XLance: As for Raycom...you have to watch some of Cuse's games to see. Some are okay but others you can tell are going through the motions and didn't do their homework. The stupidest money wasting thing ever...having two different teams broadcasting certain ACC games.

I understand the proud history of Jeff-Pilot, Raycom, et al...but the sooner Raycom gets absorbed the better
http://raycomsports.com/expanded-company-history/

I don't know of any games with two broadcast crews other than Duke-UNC and some ACC Tournament games and there's an excellent reason to do it that way for those games. The ACC makes a large amount of money off both the ESPN broadcasts and the syndicated broadcasts, far more than can be made off either set of broadcasts standing alone. This may not make much sense if you live in NY but if you live in NC it makes perfect sense. The syndicated broadcasts, particularly Duke-UNC, are a very big deal here.

I have to wonder how much more ESPN would be willing to pay for EXCLUSIVE broadcast rights... leaving money on the table, boys!
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(03-18-2016 04:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-18-2016 04:15 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(03-18-2016 10:00 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-17-2016 09:53 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(03-17-2016 09:48 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Because Syracuse has the facilities and the league would do well with a little less bias from NC. So tired of the ACC Network hacks who don't do their homework on the non-NC teams.

Are you talking about the Newhouse School?

Yes...there is Newhouse 1, 2 and 3 now. It would make an excellent auxiliary (back office) to produce Tier 3 broadcasts.

http://newhouse.syr.edu/

XLance: As for Raycom...you have to watch some of Cuse's games to see. Some are okay but others you can tell are going through the motions and didn't do their homework. The stupidest money wasting thing ever...having two different teams broadcasting certain ACC games.

I understand the proud history of Jeff-Pilot, Raycom, et al...but the sooner Raycom gets absorbed the better
http://raycomsports.com/expanded-company-history/

I don't know of any games with two broadcast crews other than Duke-UNC and some ACC Tournament games and there's an excellent reason to do it that way for those games. The ACC makes a large amount of money off both the ESPN broadcasts and the syndicated broadcasts, far more than can be made off either set of broadcasts standing alone. This may not make much sense if you live in NY but if you live in NC it makes perfect sense. The syndicated broadcasts, particularly Duke-UNC, are a very big deal here.

I have to wonder how much more ESPN would be willing to pay for EXCLUSIVE broadcast rights... leaving money on the table, boys!

Leaving money on the table is one way to look at it another way to look at it is that some schools have a need to take care off of local media and are beholden to local or state media moguls. UNC, UVa, VT, Duke, WF, and NC State want that local element. Profit is not always cash, sometimes it's another form of consideration. That's part of the issue in the ACC.

I'm not saying I agree, just saying I understand.

As far as Newhouse it's amazingly spatially isolated. WF, Clemson, UNC, Duke, NC State and VT are all located less than 130 miles from Charlotte. They are all closer to Greensboro by 50 miles or more with the exception of Clemson. Even GT and UVa are within 250 miles of Charlotte.

If memory serves its damn near 300 miles to Pittsburgh or Boston from Syracuse. Moreover Hancock has to deal with a lot of icing delays in the winter and you can't get a north south train into Syracuse - you have to come in from the City or Cleveland, iirc.

I can't see the league doing anything that is based full time in Boston, Miami, Louisville, or Syracuse based on the spatial isolation.

While more schools are closer to Greensboro, Charlotte is better because it is closer for Clemson and GT, and keeping them happy has value.
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What???

I'm talking about back office production...providing talent...doesn't matter if Cuse is in NY State. Cuse has the #1 Sports Broadcasting school in the country...and produces a ton of talent for ESPN (in front and behind the camera)...why not use the students to help produce some of that 3rd Tier product?

BTW, Hancock International rarely ever has cancellations due to snow and ice.

They have the best snow removal equipment in the country
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given their is all that Syracuse talent at ESPN, the ACC has ALL it's media with ESPN, the ACC's superior geographic footprint, and other built in advantages......ESPN sure does treat the ACC like @#$@@#$@# doesn't it?

I agree with the Syracuse folks....the ACC has to learn to use it's advantages. As best I can tell, the ACC just doesn't really seem to give a damn. IF they do, it is only about some schools in NC in blue....but not the whole conference.

The SEC acts like a gang with a big brain.....don't F with them. NCAA shies away from it, ESPN has their back at every turn, and even ancillary media (SI, Fox) backs them. ACC is fair game whipping boy for these media folks.

The ACC just never seems to realize the battle it is in. But as long as Swofford and his friends/family are getting rich...they don't care. They will when that GOR expires though.
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(03-19-2016 06:48 AM)nole Wrote:  given their is all that Syracuse talent at ESPN, the ACC has ALL it's media with ESPN, the ACC's superior geographic footprint, and other built in advantages......ESPN sure does treat the ACC like @#$@@#$@# doesn't it?

I agree with the Syracuse folks....the ACC has to learn to use it's advantages. As best I can tell, the ACC just doesn't really seem to give a damn. IF they do, it is only about some schools in NC in blue....but not the whole conference.

The SEC acts like a gang with a big brain.....don't F with them. NCAA shies away from it, ESPN has their back at every turn, and even ancillary media (SI, Fox) backs them. ACC is fair game whipping boy for these media folks.

The ACC just never seems to realize the battle it is in. But as long as Swofford and his friends/family are getting rich...they don't care. They will when that GOR expires though.


If you move around and view other sites, this seems to be a common theme in any conference not named the SEC.
Right now the SEC is the marketing star for ESPN and they are pimping them at the expense of all of their other "properties".
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(03-19-2016 07:11 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-19-2016 06:48 AM)nole Wrote:  given their is all that Syracuse talent at ESPN, the ACC has ALL it's media with ESPN, the ACC's superior geographic footprint, and other built in advantages......ESPN sure does treat the ACC like @#$@@#$@# doesn't it?

I agree with the Syracuse folks....the ACC has to learn to use it's advantages. As best I can tell, the ACC just doesn't really seem to give a damn. IF they do, it is only about some schools in NC in blue....but not the whole conference.

The SEC acts like a gang with a big brain.....don't F with them. NCAA shies away from it, ESPN has their back at every turn, and even ancillary media (SI, Fox) backs them. ACC is fair game whipping boy for these media folks.

The ACC just never seems to realize the battle it is in. But as long as Swofford and his friends/family are getting rich...they don't care. They will when that GOR expires though.


If you move around and view other sites, this seems to be a common theme in any conference not named the SEC.
Right now the SEC is the marketing star for ESPN and they are pimping them at the expense of all of their other "properties".

Agreed, but the difference is, none of them have all their media rights with ESPN....the ACC does. It's nuts our own network views us as the competition. Swofford F this up in every way....
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(03-19-2016 07:19 AM)nole Wrote:  
(03-19-2016 07:11 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-19-2016 06:48 AM)nole Wrote:  given their is all that Syracuse talent at ESPN, the ACC has ALL it's media with ESPN, the ACC's superior geographic footprint, and other built in advantages......ESPN sure does treat the ACC like @#$@@#$@# doesn't it?

I agree with the Syracuse folks....the ACC has to learn to use it's advantages. As best I can tell, the ACC just doesn't really seem to give a damn. IF they do, it is only about some schools in NC in blue....but not the whole conference.

The SEC acts like a gang with a big brain.....don't F with them. NCAA shies away from it, ESPN has their back at every turn, and even ancillary media (SI, Fox) backs them. ACC is fair game whipping boy for these media folks.

The ACC just never seems to realize the battle it is in. But as long as Swofford and his friends/family are getting rich...they don't care. They will when that GOR expires though.


If you move around and view other sites, this seems to be a common theme in any conference not named the SEC.
Right now the SEC is the marketing star for ESPN and they are pimping them at the expense of all of their other "properties".

Agreed, but the difference is, none of them have all their media rights with ESPN....the ACC does. It's nuts our own network views us as the competition. Swofford F this up in every way....

I would trust Syracuse reports on sports stories more than the tabloid like reports that ESPN puts out.
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(03-19-2016 07:19 AM)nole Wrote:  
(03-19-2016 07:11 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-19-2016 06:48 AM)nole Wrote:  given their is all that Syracuse talent at ESPN, the ACC has ALL it's media with ESPN, the ACC's superior geographic footprint, and other built in advantages......ESPN sure does treat the ACC like @#$@@#$@# doesn't it?

I agree with the Syracuse folks....the ACC has to learn to use it's advantages. As best I can tell, the ACC just doesn't really seem to give a damn. IF they do, it is only about some schools in NC in blue....but not the whole conference.

The SEC acts like a gang with a big brain.....don't F with them. NCAA shies away from it, ESPN has their back at every turn, and even ancillary media (SI, Fox) backs them. ACC is fair game whipping boy for these media folks.

The ACC just never seems to realize the battle it is in. But as long as Swofford and his friends/family are getting rich...they don't care. They will when that GOR expires though.


If you move around and view other sites, this seems to be a common theme in any conference not named the SEC.
Right now the SEC is the marketing star for ESPN and they are pimping them at the expense of all of their other "properties".

Agreed, but the difference is, none of them have all their media rights with ESPN....the ACC does. It's nuts our own network views us as the competition. Swofford F this up in every way....

It's not Swofford, it's ESPN.
As long as they are making money by pimping the SEC, things will not change. The only way the ACC can get more media attention is to elevate our "game", and the ACC is doing that. Unfortunately the conference was so far down, it will take a while to get to a higher level across the board (but it is happening). Schools are investing in their programs as evidence in some of the recent coaching hires, but that cycle takes about 5 years.
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(03-19-2016 07:19 AM)nole Wrote:  
(03-19-2016 07:11 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-19-2016 06:48 AM)nole Wrote:  given their is all that Syracuse talent at ESPN, the ACC has ALL it's media with ESPN, the ACC's superior geographic footprint, and other built in advantages......ESPN sure does treat the ACC like @#$@@#$@# doesn't it?

I agree with the Syracuse folks....the ACC has to learn to use it's advantages. As best I can tell, the ACC just doesn't really seem to give a damn. IF they do, it is only about some schools in NC in blue....but not the whole conference.

The SEC acts like a gang with a big brain.....don't F with them. NCAA shies away from it, ESPN has their back at every turn, and even ancillary media (SI, Fox) backs them. ACC is fair game whipping boy for these media folks.

The ACC just never seems to realize the battle it is in. But as long as Swofford and his friends/family are getting rich...they don't care. They will when that GOR expires though.


If you move around and view other sites, this seems to be a common theme in any conference not named the SEC.
Right now the SEC is the marketing star for ESPN and they are pimping them at the expense of all of their other "properties".

Agreed, but the difference is, none of them have all their media rights with ESPN....the ACC does. It's nuts our own network views us as the competition. Swofford F this up in every way....

I would tend to disagree. Swofford has done a good job.
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(03-19-2016 08:15 AM)wrigley2 Wrote:  
(03-19-2016 07:19 AM)nole Wrote:  
(03-19-2016 07:11 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-19-2016 06:48 AM)nole Wrote:  given their is all that Syracuse talent at ESPN, the ACC has ALL it's media with ESPN, the ACC's superior geographic footprint, and other built in advantages......ESPN sure does treat the ACC like @#$@@#$@# doesn't it?

I agree with the Syracuse folks....the ACC has to learn to use it's advantages. As best I can tell, the ACC just doesn't really seem to give a damn. IF they do, it is only about some schools in NC in blue....but not the whole conference.

The SEC acts like a gang with a big brain.....don't F with them. NCAA shies away from it, ESPN has their back at every turn, and even ancillary media (SI, Fox) backs them. ACC is fair game whipping boy for these media folks.

The ACC just never seems to realize the battle it is in. But as long as Swofford and his friends/family are getting rich...they don't care. They will when that GOR expires though.


If you move around and view other sites, this seems to be a common theme in any conference not named the SEC.
Right now the SEC is the marketing star for ESPN and they are pimping them at the expense of all of their other "properties".

Agreed, but the difference is, none of them have all their media rights with ESPN....the ACC does. It's nuts our own network views us as the competition. Swofford F this up in every way....

I would tend to disagree. Swofford has done a good job.

He has in most things...but he can do better. He kept the league together after MD bolted and now the league is starting to elevate. Time to embrace your schools' strengths.
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What if the ACC started negotiating differently with their partners? Instead of a flat fee for "x" content for "x" years, why can't we negotiate percentage of profits? I understand that tv revenue would be far less predictable, and I don't know how conferences feel about performance based pay, but at least it would take the blame/risk off of timing and provider.
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(03-19-2016 03:30 PM)Dasville Wrote:  What if the ACC started negotiating differently with their partners? Instead of a flat fee for "x" content for "x" years, why can't we negotiate percentage of profits? I understand that tv revenue would be far less predictable, and I don't know how conferences feel about performance based pay, but at least it would take the blame/risk off of timing and provider.

Quite a risk.
However it could really pay off. Carolina has a guaranteed minimum from Learfield for radio/media rights and a % of profits beyond that. It works great for the Heels.
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