Instead of Barclays (which is too remote from Midtown IMHO)...would you support the ACC if they ended the season a week early to get MSG for the NYC part of the Tourney Rotation?

The other option...I hope the ACC/B1G and Big East could split the tourney up in MSG into 2 year cycles over 6 years.

(03-14-2016 04:08 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Instead of Barclays (which is too remote from Midtown IMHO)...would you support the ACC if they ended the season a week early to get MSG for the NYC part of the Tourney Rotation?

The other option...I hope the ACC/B1G and Big East could split the tourney up in MSG into 2 year cycles over 6 years.

The split would be better. I would say the BE should have it every other year & then the ACC & B1G could have it there once every 4 years. (BE, ACC, BE, B1G, BE, ACC, BE, B1G)

No. If you are going to compress the season, I would rather see the ACCT move rounds 1 and 2 to regional locations.

I don't see the Big East going along with splitting time and, as things stand, I see Madison Square Garden siding with them. While MSG might prefer the Big Ten and ACC, they would rather have the Big East every year than risk years without any of the major conferences and the Big East is the only one who will guarantee every year.

I don't see the Big Ten going to New York all that often. They will here and there, but I think 2/3 the tournaments at least will still be in Indianapolis/Chicago (makes more sense for vast majority of teams) with some in New York/Washington occasionally as an offering to the east coast schools/a special event.

The Big East has a contract through the 2025-26 season. They are NOT giving that up. http://www.nj.com/college-basketball/ind...arden.html

I might suggest approaching MSG for dates after that time. However, it is possible the Big East may have contractual rights to extend or to match other offers.

(03-14-2016 04:08 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Instead of Barclays (which is too remote from Midtown IMHO)...would you support the ACC if they ended the season a week early to get MSG for the NYC part of the Tourney Rotation?

The other option...I hope the ACC/B1G and Big East could split the tourney up in MSG into 2 year cycles over 6 years.

No.

Cheers,
Neil

(03-15-2016 10:15 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 04:08 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Instead of Barclays (which is too remote from Midtown IMHO)...would you support the ACC if they ended the season a week early to get MSG for the NYC part of the Tourney Rotation?

The other option...I hope the ACC/B1G and Big East could split the tourney up in MSG into 2 year cycles over 6 years.

No.

Cheers,
Neil

What he said!!^^^^^
FLossY Out...

(03-15-2016 10:47 AM)HRFlossY Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 10:15 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 04:08 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Instead of Barclays (which is too remote from Midtown IMHO)...would you support the ACC if they ended the season a week early to get MSG for the NYC part of the Tourney Rotation?

The other option...I hope the ACC/B1G and Big East could split the tourney up in MSG into 2 year cycles over 6 years.

No.

Cheers,
Neil

What he said!!^^^^^
FLossY Out...

Kinda my thoughts too...I threw it out there to discuss as the B1G is doing it. We can watch and see how successful it is.

I do know that MSG>>>>Barclays

(03-14-2016 09:17 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  No. If you are going to compress the season, I would rather see the ACCT move rounds 1 and 2 to regional locations.

I've thought about that, but the logistics are pretty daunting. Eleven teams are involved in the first two rounds. Four of those move on, and would have to travel to a second location in the same week. I assume you would have to add a travel day.

But without knowing which 4 teams will advance, how do you sell tickets to the next three rounds in a timely way? Would you still expect fans of teams that get knocked out to travel to the main tournament site?

I think I would rather just limit the field to the top 12 finishers and eliminate the first round games.

But I wouldn't want the ACC to finish its season a week early and send our teams to the NCAAT rusty. Some of them would have two full weeks between games. That's not good.

(03-15-2016 11:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 09:17 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  No. If you are going to compress the season, I would rather see the ACCT move rounds 1 and 2 to regional locations.

I've thought about that, but the logistics are pretty daunting. Eleven teams are involved in the first two rounds. Four of those move on, and would have to travel to a second location in the same week. I assume you would have to add a travel day.

But without knowing which 4 teams will advance, how do you sell tickets to the next three rounds in a timely way? Would you still expect fans of teams that get knocked out to travel to the main tournament site?

I think I would rather just limit the field to the top 12 finishers and eliminate the first round games.

But I wouldn't want the ACC to finish its season a week early and send our teams to the NCAAT rusty. Some of them would have two full weeks between games. That's not good.

15 teams = 1 first-round bye, the other 14 play a few days before the "main" ACC Tournament begins. You could play that first round on home sites, or you could even have 2 neutral sites, like this:
1st round at MSG (a day or two before the Big East Tourney begins, not a whole week) -- leaves you with 7 teams plus the #1 seed, which got a bye.
rounds 2 through 4 at Greensboro (or wherever) -- 8 teams, then 4, then 2.

For example, this year the Big East Tournament began on WED, 3/9/16. The ACC Tournament already began a day earlier (TUE, 3/8). What if the ACCT began on Saturday, 3/5* - at MSG? done by Sunday, and the winning teams have until Thursday to arrive in Greensboro for the next round.

BOOM. NYC exposure AND a central location for the finals.

* TBH, this could even be Sunday/Monday.

(03-15-2016 11:53 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 11:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 09:17 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  No. If you are going to compress the season, I would rather see the ACCT move rounds 1 and 2 to regional locations.

I've thought about that, but the logistics are pretty daunting. Eleven teams are involved in the first two rounds. Four of those move on, and would have to travel to a second location in the same week. I assume you would have to add a travel day.

But without knowing which 4 teams will advance, how do you sell tickets to the next three rounds in a timely way? Would you still expect fans of teams that get knocked out to travel to the main tournament site?

I think I would rather just limit the field to the top 12 finishers and eliminate the first round games.

But I wouldn't want the ACC to finish its season a week early and send our teams to the NCAAT rusty. Some of them would have two full weeks between games. That's not good.

15 teams = 1 first-round bye, the other 14 play a few days before the "main" ACC Tournament begins. You could play that first round on home sites, or you could even have 2 neutral sites, like this:
1st round at MSG (a day or two before the Big East Tourney begins, not a whole week) -- leaves you with 7 teams plus the #1 seed, which got a bye.
rounds 2 through 4 at Greensboro (or wherever) -- 8 teams, then 4, then 2.

For example, this year the Big East Tournament began on WED, 3/9/16. The ACC Tournament already began a day earlier (TUE, 3/8). What if the ACCT began on Saturday, 3/5* - at MSG? done by Sunday, and the winning teams have until Thursday to arrive in Greensboro for the next round.

BOOM. NYC exposure AND a central location for the finals.

* TBH, this could even be Sunday/Monday.

I like it. Basically, the ACC would own that weekend, with their 7 game play-in at MSG. It wouldn't be competing with anybody else's tournament for eyeballs. It would include most of our great teams, instead of just the worst six like we now have on Tuesday.

With all 7 games on the weekend, lots of fans could get their NYC mini vacation without missing much work. The regular season would end on a Wednesday - only one game shorter than present. The only downside I see is that the #1 seed doesn't get to play in MSG (though its fans may still want to travel there anyway).

There would be four separate admissions to MSG. Would only the fans of the teams playing in each seating get tickets to those games, or would everybody get tix to all the games?

(03-15-2016 12:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 11:53 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  15 teams = 1 first-round bye, the other 14 play a few days before the "main" ACC Tournament begins. You could play that first round on home sites, or you could even have 2 neutral sites, like this:
1st round at MSG (a day or two before the Big East Tourney begins, not a whole week) -- leaves you with 7 teams plus the #1 seed, which got a bye.
rounds 2 through 4 at Greensboro (or wherever) -- 8 teams, then 4, then 2.

For example, this year the Big East Tournament began on WED, 3/9/16. The ACC Tournament already began a day earlier (TUE, 3/8). What if the ACCT began on Saturday, 3/5* - at MSG? done by Sunday, and the winning teams have until Thursday to arrive in Greensboro for the next round.

BOOM. NYC exposure AND a central location for the finals.

* TBH, this could even be Sunday/Monday.

I like it. Basically, the ACC would own that weekend, with their 7 game play-in at MSG. It wouldn't be competing with anybody else's tournament for eyeballs. It would include most of our great teams, instead of just the worst six like we now have on Tuesday.

With all 7 games on the weekend, lots of fans could get their NYC mini vacation without missing much work. The regular season would end on a Wednesday - only one game shorter than present. The only downside I see is that the #1 seed doesn't get to play in MSG (though its fans may still want to travel there anyway).

There would be four separate admissions to MSG. Would only the fans of the teams playing in each seating get tickets to those games, or would everybody get tix to all the games?

I defer to others as to the best way to distribute tickets. I would offer one tweak: have #14 play #15 on Saturday, then let the winner play the #1 seed on Sunday. That gives you 4 games each day - just like the old ACC 1st day. In fact, you'd have 4 games on Saturday, 4 on Sunday, take a break, then 4 games on Thursday, 2 on Friday, and 1 on Saturday night.

(03-15-2016 12:57 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 12:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 11:53 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  15 teams = 1 first-round bye, the other 14 play a few days before the "main" ACC Tournament begins. You could play that first round on home sites, or you could even have 2 neutral sites, like this:
1st round at MSG (a day or two before the Big East Tourney begins, not a whole week) -- leaves you with 7 teams plus the #1 seed, which got a bye.
rounds 2 through 4 at Greensboro (or wherever) -- 8 teams, then 4, then 2.

For example, this year the Big East Tournament began on WED, 3/9/16. The ACC Tournament already began a day earlier (TUE, 3/8). What if the ACCT began on Saturday, 3/5* - at MSG? done by Sunday, and the winning teams have until Thursday to arrive in Greensboro for the next round.

BOOM. NYC exposure AND a central location for the finals.

* TBH, this could even be Sunday/Monday.

I like it. Basically, the ACC would own that weekend, with their 7 game play-in at MSG. It wouldn't be competing with anybody else's tournament for eyeballs. It would include most of our great teams, instead of just the worst six like we now have on Tuesday.

With all 7 games on the weekend, lots of fans could get their NYC mini vacation without missing much work. The regular season would end on a Wednesday - only one game shorter than present. The only downside I see is that the #1 seed doesn't get to play in MSG (though its fans may still want to travel there anyway).

There would be four separate admissions to MSG. Would only the fans of the teams playing in each seating get tickets to those games, or would everybody get tix to all the games?

I defer to others as to the best way to distribute tickets. I would offer one tweak: have #14 play #15 on Saturday, then let the winner play the #1 seed on Sunday. That gives you 4 games each day - just like the old ACC 1st day. In fact, you'd have 4 games on Saturday, 4 on Sunday, take a break, then 4 games on Thursday, 2 on Friday, and 1 on Saturday night.

That tweak fixes it. I like your thinking, Hokie.

I may have been a little too hasty. Doesn't that leave only 7 winners to advance to Greensboro? If the #1 seed wins on Sunday, then only three Saturday winners are left plus the four Sunday winners.

You would then have three games on Thursday, with the #1 seed getting its bye in this round instead of round 1. Every one of those Thursday games would potentially be between two teams that are likely to also be invited to the NCAAT.

But if #1 gets upset on Sunday, who gets the Thursday bye? I suppose the highest seeded team still in the tournament.

It still works for me. Your solution gives the ACC the MSG cachet and exposure every year (plus a nice place to visit), and you would still sell out the Thursday games.

(03-15-2016 01:26 PM)ken d Wrote:  I may have been a little too hasty. Doesn't that leave only 7 winners to advance to Greensboro? If the #1 seed wins on Sunday, then only three Saturday winners are left plus the four Sunday winners.

You would then have three games on Thursday, with the #1 seed getting its bye in this round instead of round 1. Every one of those Thursday games would potentially be between two teams that are likely to also be invited to the NCAAT.

But if #1 gets upset on Sunday, who gets the Thursday bye? I suppose the highest seeded team still in the tournament.

It still works for me. Your solution gives the ACC the MSG cachet and exposure every year (plus a nice place to visit), and you would still sell out the Thursday games.

Argh! You're correct - you HAVE to have the one bye (odd number of teams)!

Round 1, day 1 MSG:
2 v 15
3 v 14
6 v 11
7 v 10

Round 1, day 2 MSG:
8 v 9
4 v 13
5 v 12

Round 2, GBO:
1 v 8/9 winner
2/15 v 7/10
3/14 v 6/11
4/13 v 5/12

(03-15-2016 02:20 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 01:26 PM)ken d Wrote:  I may have been a little too hasty. Doesn't that leave only 7 winners to advance to Greensboro? If the #1 seed wins on Sunday, then only three Saturday winners are left plus the four Sunday winners.

You would then have three games on Thursday, with the #1 seed getting its bye in this round instead of round 1. Every one of those Thursday games would potentially be between two teams that are likely to also be invited to the NCAAT.

But if #1 gets upset on Sunday, who gets the Thursday bye? I suppose the highest seeded team still in the tournament.

It still works for me. Your solution gives the ACC the MSG cachet and exposure every year (plus a nice place to visit), and you would still sell out the Thursday games.

Argh! You're correct - you HAVE to have the one bye (odd number of teams)!

Round 1, day 1 MSG:
2 v 15
3 v 14
6 v 11
7 v 10

Round 1, day 2 MSG:
8 v 9
4 v 13
5 v 12

Round 2, GBO:
1 v 8/9 winner
2/15 v 7/10
3/14 v 6/11
4/13 v 5/12

The only tweak to fix it would be to bring in a 16th team.

(03-15-2016 03:33 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  The only tweak to fix it would be to bring in a 16th team.