(03-18-2016 09:25 PM)OSUFALCON Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 08:16 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:28 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  They've been boycotting those tournaments for years. They aren't doing it because they are trying to kill those tournaments. They do it because they view these pay to play tournaments as being beneath them.

Also ... most of the remaining power conference teams not in NCAA-NIT ... are also just bad teams ... barely .500. Witness OSU, a barely good enough team in the NIT, any Big Ten team worse than that is probably making a coaching change.

That Ohio State team which was about the 7th or 8th best in The Big Ten beat the best MAC team without two starters. Just saying

This will be the last I say on OSU-Akron.

But you want to bring up being down two starters, one being Jaesean Tate, who was hurt near the end of the regular season, then Akron was also without 1 starter, Pat Forsythe, who also was shut down late in the year.

Plus, you are ignoring the fact it was Akron's 4th game in six nights (compared to OSU's first in about a week) and it was played in Columbus. And let's be real, that was a game OSU was pretty lucky to win despite that.

Like Maddawgz said, put that game in Akron, if based off of resume where it should have been, a tired Akron team, without one starter, sends you guys back to Columbus with your tails between your legs.

(03-16-2016 07:28 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  They've been boycotting those tournaments for years. They aren't doing it because they are trying to kill those tournaments. They do it because they view these pay to play tournaments as being beneath them.

Source? Evidence?

Or just pen!s envy?

(03-19-2016 01:28 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 09:25 PM)OSUFALCON Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 08:16 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:28 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  They've been boycotting those tournaments for years. They aren't doing it because they are trying to kill those tournaments. They do it because they view these pay to play tournaments as being beneath them.

Also ... most of the remaining power conference teams not in NCAA-NIT ... are also just bad teams ... barely .500. Witness OSU, a barely good enough team in the NIT, any Big Ten team worse than that is probably making a coaching change.

That Ohio State team which was about the 7th or 8th best in The Big Ten beat the best MAC team without two starters. Just saying

This will be the last I say on OSU-Akron.

But you want to bring up being down two starters, one being Jaesean Tate, who was hurt near the end of the regular season, then Akron was also without 1 starter, Pat Forsythe, who also was shut down late in the year.

Plus, you are ignoring the fact it was Akron's 4th game in six nights (compared to OSU's first in about a week) and it was played in Columbus. And let's be real, that was a game OSU was pretty lucky to win despite that.

Like Maddawgz said, put that game in Akron, if based off of resume where it should have been, a tired Akron team, without one starter, sends you guys back to Columbus with your tails between your legs.

Rationalize much?

(03-19-2016 08:10 AM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:28 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  They've been boycotting those tournaments for years. They aren't doing it because they are trying to kill those tournaments. They do it because they view these pay to play tournaments as being beneath them.

Source? Evidence?

Or just pen!s envy?

What evidence do you have to support they are trying to sabotage those tournaments? Akron-OSU attracted ~4,500 fans. How many fans do you think would show up at Value City Arena to watch OSU-Moorehead State in the CBI?...The answer is not many.

(03-19-2016 01:28 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 09:25 PM)OSUFALCON Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 08:16 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:28 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  They've been boycotting those tournaments for years. They aren't doing it because they are trying to kill those tournaments. They do it because they view these pay to play tournaments as being beneath them.

Also ... most of the remaining power conference teams not in NCAA-NIT ... are also just bad teams ... barely .500. Witness OSU, a barely good enough team in the NIT, any Big Ten team worse than that is probably making a coaching change.

That Ohio State team which was about the 7th or 8th best in The Big Ten beat the best MAC team without two starters. Just saying

This will be the last I say on OSU-Akron.

But you want to bring up being down two starters, one being Jaesean Tate, who was hurt near the end of the regular season, then Akron was also without 1 starter, Pat Forsythe, who also was shut down late in the year.

Plus, you are ignoring the fact it was Akron's 4th game in six nights (compared to OSU's first in about a week) and it was played in Columbus. And let's be real, that was a game OSU was pretty lucky to win despite that.

Like Maddawgz said, put that game in Akron, if based off of resume where it should have been, a tired Akron team, without one starter, sends you guys back to Columbus with your tails between your legs.

I
Ohio State played Friday and Akron played Saturday, no difference. If they play 10 times Ohio State would win 8 or 9 of them. Akron's team was a live by the three and die by the three.

(03-19-2016 09:20 PM)OSUFALCON Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 01:28 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 09:25 PM)OSUFALCON Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 08:16 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:28 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  They've been boycotting those tournaments for years. They aren't doing it because they are trying to kill those tournaments. They do it because they view these pay to play tournaments as being beneath them.

Also ... most of the remaining power conference teams not in NCAA-NIT ... are also just bad teams ... barely .500. Witness OSU, a barely good enough team in the NIT, any Big Ten team worse than that is probably making a coaching change.

That Ohio State team which was about the 7th or 8th best in The Big Ten beat the best MAC team without two starters. Just saying

This will be the last I say on OSU-Akron.

But you want to bring up being down two starters, one being Jaesean Tate, who was hurt near the end of the regular season, then Akron was also without 1 starter, Pat Forsythe, who also was shut down late in the year.

Plus, you are ignoring the fact it was Akron's 4th game in six nights (compared to OSU's first in about a week) and it was played in Columbus. And let's be real, that was a game OSU was pretty lucky to win despite that.

Like Maddawgz said, put that game in Akron, if based off of resume where it should have been, a tired Akron team, without one starter, sends you guys back to Columbus with your tails between your legs.

I
Ohio State played Friday and Akron played Saturday, no difference. If they play 10 times Ohio State would win 8 or 9 of them. Akron's team was a live by the three and die by the three.

If the games were all played at OSU correct, but if all played in Akron, Akron wins 8 or 9 out of 10

(03-19-2016 11:04 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  What evidence do you have to support they are trying to sabotage those tournaments?

Note that the evidence would have to be fairly strong.

The argument that they sacrifice a participation in a tournament that they view as beneficial for their program as part of a conspiracy to "kill off" the pay to play would support is that they are acting on behalf of some perceived common power conference interest.

But most observations suggest that what P5 programs normally do is pursue their own selfish interests as they see them, so that such a conspiracy would normally be expected to fall apart just as soon as any power conference programs saw a benefit for their own future prospects from participation.

The more plausible claim is that they do not participate because they do not see any particular benefit from participation.

(03-19-2016 11:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 09:20 PM)OSUFALCON Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 01:28 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 09:25 PM)OSUFALCON Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 08:16 PM)cleveland Wrote:  Also ... most of the remaining power conference teams not in NCAA-NIT ... are also just bad teams ... barely .500. Witness OSU, a barely good enough team in the NIT, any Big Ten team worse than that is probably making a coaching change.

That Ohio State team which was about the 7th or 8th best in The Big Ten beat the best MAC team without two starters. Just saying

This will be the last I say on OSU-Akron.

But you want to bring up being down two starters, one being Jaesean Tate, who was hurt near the end of the regular season, then Akron was also without 1 starter, Pat Forsythe, who also was shut down late in the year.

Plus, you are ignoring the fact it was Akron's 4th game in six nights (compared to OSU's first in about a week) and it was played in Columbus. And let's be real, that was a game OSU was pretty lucky to win despite that.

Like Maddawgz said, put that game in Akron, if based off of resume where it should have been, a tired Akron team, without one starter, sends you guys back to Columbus with your tails between your legs.

I
Ohio State played Friday and Akron played Saturday, no difference. If they play 10 times Ohio State would win 8 or 9 of them. Akron's team was a live by the three and die by the three.

If the games were all played at OSU correct, but if all played in Akron, Akron wins 8 or 9 out of 10

Not when you jack up 42 threes your not going to win. Come back to earth.

(03-21-2016 12:10 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 11:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 09:20 PM)OSUFALCON Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 01:28 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 09:25 PM)OSUFALCON Wrote:  That Ohio State team which was about the 7th or 8th best in The Big Ten beat the best MAC team without two starters. Just saying

This will be the last I say on OSU-Akron.

But you want to bring up being down two starters, one being Jaesean Tate, who was hurt near the end of the regular season, then Akron was also without 1 starter, Pat Forsythe, who also was shut down late in the year.

Plus, you are ignoring the fact it was Akron's 4th game in six nights (compared to OSU's first in about a week) and it was played in Columbus. And let's be real, that was a game OSU was pretty lucky to win despite that.

Like Maddawgz said, put that game in Akron, if based off of resume where it should have been, a tired Akron team, without one starter, sends you guys back to Columbus with your tails between your legs.

I
Ohio State played Friday and Akron played Saturday, no difference. If they play 10 times Ohio State would win 8 or 9 of them. Akron's team was a live by the three and die by the three.

If the games were all played at OSU correct, but if all played in Akron, Akron wins 8 or 9 out of 10

Not when you jack up 42 threes your not going to win. Come back to earth.

If you exclude the few in OT that were forced because they were down big and trying to make up points, I felt the vast majority of them were good looks. They just weren't falling. Tired legs probably played somewhat a factor in that (Just like it did Big Dog poor foul shooting at end of regulation & OT).

I'm not here to say who would win a 10 game series as that is all speculative, but to say a team that had a 2 game stretch of going 39/84 (46.4%) from 3 has no chance of winning a game when shooting a volume number of 3s is absurd. The majority of the 3s they put up were just as good of looks that they have seen all season.

(03-21-2016 01:36 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:10 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 11:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 09:20 PM)OSUFALCON Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 01:28 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  This will be the last I say on OSU-Akron.

But you want to bring up being down two starters, one being Jaesean Tate, who was hurt near the end of the regular season, then Akron was also without 1 starter, Pat Forsythe, who also was shut down late in the year.

Plus, you are ignoring the fact it was Akron's 4th game in six nights (compared to OSU's first in about a week) and it was played in Columbus. And let's be real, that was a game OSU was pretty lucky to win despite that.

Like Maddawgz said, put that game in Akron, if based off of resume where it should have been, a tired Akron team, without one starter, sends you guys back to Columbus with your tails between your legs.

I
Ohio State played Friday and Akron played Saturday, no difference. If they play 10 times Ohio State would win 8 or 9 of them. Akron's team was a live by the three and die by the three.

If the games were all played at OSU correct, but if all played in Akron, Akron wins 8 or 9 out of 10

Not when you jack up 42 threes your not going to win. Come back to earth.

If you exclude the few in OT that were forced because they were down big and trying to make up points, I felt the vast majority of them were good looks. They just weren't falling. Tired legs probably played somewhat a factor in that (Just like it did Big Dog poor foul shooting at end of regulation & OT).

I'm not here to say who would win a 10 game series as that is all speculative, but to say a team that had a 2 game stretch of going 39/84 (46.4%) from 3 has no chance of winning a game when shooting a volume number of 3s is absurd. The majority of the 3s they put up were just as good of looks that they have seen all season.

Live by the three, die by the three. Good teams know how to adjust when they aren't falling.

(03-21-2016 02:01 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:36 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:10 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 11:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 09:20 PM)OSUFALCON Wrote:  I
Ohio State played Friday and Akron played Saturday, no difference. If they play 10 times Ohio State would win 8 or 9 of them. Akron's team was a live by the three and die by the three.

If the games were all played at OSU correct, but if all played in Akron, Akron wins 8 or 9 out of 10

Not when you jack up 42 threes your not going to win. Come back to earth.

If you exclude the few in OT that were forced because they were down big and trying to make up points, I felt the vast majority of them were good looks. They just weren't falling. Tired legs probably played somewhat a factor in that (Just like it did Big Dog poor foul shooting at end of regulation & OT).

I'm not here to say who would win a 10 game series as that is all speculative, but to say a team that had a 2 game stretch of going 39/84 (46.4%) from 3 has no chance of winning a game when shooting a volume number of 3s is absurd. The majority of the 3s they put up were just as good of looks that they have seen all season.

Live by the three, die by the three. Good teams know how to adjust when they aren't falling.

Hindsight is 20/20. Hard to tell Reggie to pass up an open look 3 when he has been hitting them all season. You wouldn't tell Steph Curry to quit taking 3s just because he missed his 3 previous attempts.

Despite having their worst 3 point shooting night of the season, they still were in a position to win. Free throws played a much bigger part. OSU made 21/23 (91.3%) for a team that shot 68% for the season. The Zips finished 8/20 (40%) for a team that shot 68.5% for the season. 2 of those misses were front end of 1 and 1 in the final 2 minutes of regulation. They also turned the ball over under their hoop late in the game. Had Antino, an 82% free throw shooter, made the front end of his 1 and 1, the Zips win.

(03-21-2016 02:32 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 02:01 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:36 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:10 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 11:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  If the games were all played at OSU correct, but if all played in Akron, Akron wins 8 or 9 out of 10

Not when you jack up 42 threes your not going to win. Come back to earth.

If you exclude the few in OT that were forced because they were down big and trying to make up points, I felt the vast majority of them were good looks. They just weren't falling. Tired legs probably played somewhat a factor in that (Just like it did Big Dog poor foul shooting at end of regulation & OT).

I'm not here to say who would win a 10 game series as that is all speculative, but to say a team that had a 2 game stretch of going 39/84 (46.4%) from 3 has no chance of winning a game when shooting a volume number of 3s is absurd. The majority of the 3s they put up were just as good of looks that they have seen all season.

Live by the three, die by the three. Good teams know how to adjust when they aren't falling.

Hindsight is 20/20. Hard to tell Reggie to pass up an open look 3 when he has been hitting them all season. You wouldn't tell Steph Curry to quit taking 3s just because he missed his 3 previous attempts.

Despite having their worst 3 point shooting night of the season, they still were in a position to win. Free throws played a much bigger part. OSU made 21/23 (91.3%) for a team that shot 68% for the season. The Zips finished 8/20 (40%) for a team that shot 68.5% for the season. 2 of those misses were front end of 1 and 1 in the final 2 minutes of regulation. They also turned the ball over under their hoop late in the game. Had Antino, an 82% free throw shooter, made the front end of his 1 and 1, the Zips win.

Exactly. The Zips were 1 of their last 6 from the line, including two front end of 1 and 1 misses in regulation. They make just one of those, or don't commit a stupid turnover after a defensive stop right under the OSU hoop, they win despite the horrible 3 point shooting.

Anybody who says that game was lost by the Zips' 3 point shooting simply looked at the box score.

Whatever, Akron lost. But it was hardly due to poor 3 point shooting. Though the poor shooting definitely didn't help, either.

(03-19-2016 09:20 PM)OSUFALCON Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 01:28 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 09:25 PM)OSUFALCON Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 08:16 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 07:28 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  They've been boycotting those tournaments for years. They aren't doing it because they are trying to kill those tournaments. They do it because they view these pay to play tournaments as being beneath them.

Also ... most of the remaining power conference teams not in NCAA-NIT ... are also just bad teams ... barely .500. Witness OSU, a barely good enough team in the NIT, any Big Ten team worse than that is probably making a coaching change.

That Ohio State team which was about the 7th or 8th best in The Big Ten beat the best MAC team without two starters. Just saying

This will be the last I say on OSU-Akron.

But you want to bring up being down two starters, one being Jaesean Tate, who was hurt near the end of the regular season, then Akron was also without 1 starter, Pat Forsythe, who also was shut down late in the year.

Plus, you are ignoring the fact it was Akron's 4th game in six nights (compared to OSU's first in about a week) and it was played in Columbus. And let's be real, that was a game OSU was pretty lucky to win despite that.

Like Maddawgz said, put that game in Akron, if based off of resume where it should have been, a tired Akron team, without one starter, sends you guys back to Columbus with your tails between your legs.

I
Ohio State played Friday and Akron played Saturday, no difference. If they play 10 times Ohio State would win 8 or 9 of them. Akron's team was a live by the three and die by the three.

NIU played both OSU and Akron and they seemed very even to me.