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(03-14-2016 11:12 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  
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(03-14-2016 10:58 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  The problem both ECU and Memphis have with the contracts are that you have to pay big time money for your next coach.

The bar is raised. $1.5 mill a year minimum for the next guy. Plus the payout to the other guy.

Just doesn't make financial sense to pay that $1.5 mill (or more) more.

That's what happened with Donnie Jones this year....UCF just had to play out his contract. Now they can move on....and hopefully salvage their best players in the process.

Wrong. Only Memphis has a big time buy out. Ours is peanuts in comparison. Sick of the poor mouth shite from ECU fans. Donors need to step up in this league ore slap on more student fees. This Lebo episode is making it blatantly obvious that we are committed to competing at a high level at BOTH revenue sports. This will hopefully sort itself out by the end of next season after we have ANOTHER disaster year riddled with transfers and losses.

I didn't talk about the buyout, I talked about the cost of the NEW coach. ECU doesn't have the money for that.

I recall the UNCW AD a few years back talking about her search for a college coach. Set out with about a $400K budget...ended up paying Buzz Peterson $600K. She said she was surprised the cost to get a coach had climbed so much.

That's my point...in this league, you better be willing to pay $1.5 or more. ECU is not ready for that. We will see if UCF and Tulane are...but they waited until they didn't have buyouts to deal with to make that decision.

More bullsh!t from you. We pay double what many of the quality mid-major programs pay. There are 5 coaches I could name off the top of my head we could probably get but instead we'll **** around and let somebody else pick them up.
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(03-14-2016 01:10 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I found some info for Keatts at UNCW...

Base is about 350K...bases in the CAA go from about 250K to 400K. Always supplemental stuff in there...ad few hundred grand for that.

I had heard that Lebo was about 500K base...and supplementals up to a million. Lebo was making a base of 750K at Auburn.

Steve Fisher at SD State gets almost a million base.

So a place like ECU could hire a coach from the CAA, pay them a million (while they are paying Lebo his out as well) and see if they could do better...but is he going to justify that million more? He's a CAA coach, with little name recognition trying to turn around a program with little tradition and subpar facilities. What's the cost-benefit of that move? 2 million for what?

The only moves when you have a coach with a long term payout is to fire them and get someone BIG TIME for BIG TIME money or keep the other guy. That's it. If you want to hire that CAA coach, you pretty much let your current coach coach out his contract unless you want to spend big time money.

Here is a very short list of guys that ECU should go after that would be better than Lebo on day 1; and they would be cheaper:


King Rice - Monmouth
Chris Beard - Arkansas-Little Rock
Keatts - UNCW
Levell Mouton - NC Central
Jerrod Hasse - UAB. I have no idea what he makes, but I would be surprised if it is more than Lebo.
Bobby Lutz- Asst. NC State. I have no idea what he makes, but he has made 5 NCAA appearances and 3 NIT's. He is definitely better than Lebo and he is probably looking to get back as a head coach in a good conference.


There are tons of assistant coaches on top programs that
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(03-14-2016 11:49 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 11:12 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 11:02 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 10:58 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  The problem both ECU and Memphis have with the contracts are that you have to pay big time money for your next coach.

The bar is raised. $1.5 mill a year minimum for the next guy. Plus the payout to the other guy.

Just doesn't make financial sense to pay that $1.5 mill (or more) more.

That's what happened with Donnie Jones this year....UCF just had to play out his contract. Now they can move on....and hopefully salvage their best players in the process.

Wrong. Only Memphis has a big time buy out. Ours is peanuts in comparison. Sick of the poor mouth shite from ECU fans. Donors need to step up in this league ore slap on more student fees. This Lebo episode is making it blatantly obvious that we are committed to competing at a high level at BOTH revenue sports. This will hopefully sort itself out by the end of next season after we have ANOTHER disaster year riddled with transfers and losses.

I didn't talk about the buyout, I talked about the cost of the NEW coach. ECU doesn't have the money for that.

I recall the UNCW AD a few years back talking about her search for a college coach. Set out with about a $400K budget...ended up paying Buzz Peterson $600K. She said she was surprised the cost to get a coach had climbed so much.

That's my point...in this league, you better be willing to pay $1.5 or more. ECU is not ready for that. We will see if UCF and Tulane are...but they waited until they didn't have buyouts to deal with to make that decision.

I don’t think you need to come close to 1.5 million to get a good coach, especially a young one looking to make a name for himself in a top 8 basketball conference. Dunphy only makes $800,000.

Look at some of the names on here and their numbers last season:

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries...all/coach/

Bobby Hurley at Buffalo $305,000
Bryce Drew at Valpo $285,000
Steve Massiello at Manhattan $237,000
Mike Davis at Texas Southern $230,000
Bob McKillop at Davidson $381,000
Archie Miller at Dayton is only making $680,000

I’m not saying the guys listed above will leave their jobs and go to ECU I’m just saying it’s very realistic to find a young coach who can turn your program around for well under $1,000,000.

HilbyPirate is a perfect example of your typical, basketball ignorant Boneyard Banter poster.
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(03-14-2016 11:45 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  TCU fans are laughing at the thought of him going there

Pastner and the TCU AD worked together at AZ, and are good friends. If TCU can't persuade alum Dixon to leave Pitt, they might want to reconsider laughing. They have been talking for weeks. 03-lmfao
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(03-14-2016 01:19 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 01:10 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I found some info for Keatts at UNCW...

Base is about 350K...bases in the CAA go from about 250K to 400K. Always supplemental stuff in there...ad few hundred grand for that.

I had heard that Lebo was about 500K base...and supplementals up to a million. Lebo was making a base of 750K at Auburn.

Steve Fisher at SD State gets almost a million base.

So a place like ECU could hire a coach from the CAA, pay them a million (while they are paying Lebo his out as well) and see if they could do better...but is he going to justify that million more? He's a CAA coach, with little name recognition trying to turn around a program with little tradition and subpar facilities. What's the cost-benefit of that move? 2 million for what?

The only moves when you have a coach with a long term payout is to fire them and get someone BIG TIME for BIG TIME money or keep the other guy. That's it. If you want to hire that CAA coach, you pretty much let your current coach coach out his contract unless you want to spend big time money.

Here is a very short list of guys that ECU should go after that would be better than Lebo on day 1; and they would be cheaper:


King Rice - Monmouth
Chris Beard - Arkansas-Little Rock
Keatts - UNCW
Levell Mouton - NC Central
Jerrod Hasse - UAB. I have no idea what he makes, but I would be surprised if it is more than Lebo.
Bobby Lutz- Asst. NC State. I have no idea what he makes, but he has made 5 NCAA appearances and 3 NIT's. He is definitely better than Lebo and he is probably looking to get back as a head coach in a good conference.


There are tons of assistant coaches on top programs that

Hasse makes 525K base. CUSA sucked this year, BTW.

And they aren't cheaper...they are in addition to Lebo's contract.

Again, does ECU have over $2 million to spend on basketball coaches for the next five years?

FWIW, I am not necessarily supporting Lebo, I am just stating the fiscal realities of the situation. Which also apply to Memphis with Pastner, but their numbers are much higher because their basketball revenue is much higher.
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The silence is deafening out of ECU. We lost over 150k in basketball this season, and if Lebo is retained that number will only get larger.
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(03-14-2016 01:22 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 01:19 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 01:10 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I found some info for Keatts at UNCW...

Base is about 350K...bases in the CAA go from about 250K to 400K. Always supplemental stuff in there...ad few hundred grand for that.

I had heard that Lebo was about 500K base...and supplementals up to a million. Lebo was making a base of 750K at Auburn.

Steve Fisher at SD State gets almost a million base.

So a place like ECU could hire a coach from the CAA, pay them a million (while they are paying Lebo his out as well) and see if they could do better...but is he going to justify that million more? He's a CAA coach, with little name recognition trying to turn around a program with little tradition and subpar facilities. What's the cost-benefit of that move? 2 million for what?

The only moves when you have a coach with a long term payout is to fire them and get someone BIG TIME for BIG TIME money or keep the other guy. That's it. If you want to hire that CAA coach, you pretty much let your current coach coach out his contract unless you want to spend big time money.

Here is a very short list of guys that ECU should go after that would be better than Lebo on day 1; and they would be cheaper:


King Rice - Monmouth
Chris Beard - Arkansas-Little Rock
Keatts - UNCW
Levell Mouton - NC Central
Jerrod Hasse - UAB. I have no idea what he makes, but I would be surprised if it is more than Lebo.
Bobby Lutz- Asst. NC State. I have no idea what he makes, but he has made 5 NCAA appearances and 3 NIT's. He is definitely better than Lebo and he is probably looking to get back as a head coach in a good conference.


There are tons of assistant coaches on top programs that

Hasse makes 525K base. CUSA sucked this year, BTW.

And they aren't cheaper...they are in addition to Lebo's contract.

Again, does ECU have over $2 million to spend on basketball coaches for the next five years?

Eventually they'll have to pay a sizeable chunk of that.. Unless Lebo stays until 2021. They aren't going to get off the hook by doing what they're doing.

If they win and generate interest, then any loss is minimized.
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Look...BB can take shots at me if he wants, but its not as simplistic as saying fire and hire. There has to be enough money there to pay for BOTH.

What I have been critical is of ECU's fan base toward basketball. They come up with every excuse to not support basketball. The seats are too small, or I'd rather watch big time basketball. And they don't give the league enough credit for being big time. And there are no big time basketball donors.

That's reality. And, ironically I am the one who gets called ignorant.

Trust me, I have watched ECU basketball for 25 years now. I understand the realities. Those who are too busy watching ACC basketball are the one's who don't really understand ECU's situation.
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(03-14-2016 01:22 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 01:19 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 01:10 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I found some info for Keatts at UNCW...

Base is about 350K...bases in the CAA go from about 250K to 400K. Always supplemental stuff in there...ad few hundred grand for that.

I had heard that Lebo was about 500K base...and supplementals up to a million. Lebo was making a base of 750K at Auburn.

Steve Fisher at SD State gets almost a million base.

So a place like ECU could hire a coach from the CAA, pay them a million (while they are paying Lebo his out as well) and see if they could do better...but is he going to justify that million more? He's a CAA coach, with little name recognition trying to turn around a program with little tradition and subpar facilities. What's the cost-benefit of that move? 2 million for what?

The only moves when you have a coach with a long term payout is to fire them and get someone BIG TIME for BIG TIME money or keep the other guy. That's it. If you want to hire that CAA coach, you pretty much let your current coach coach out his contract unless you want to spend big time money.

Here is a very short list of guys that ECU should go after that would be better than Lebo on day 1; and they would be cheaper:


King Rice - Monmouth
Chris Beard - Arkansas-Little Rock
Keatts - UNCW
Levell Mouton - NC Central
Jerrod Hasse - UAB. I have no idea what he makes, but I would be surprised if it is more than Lebo.
Bobby Lutz- Asst. NC State. I have no idea what he makes, but he has made 5 NCAA appearances and 3 NIT's. He is definitely better than Lebo and he is probably looking to get back as a head coach in a good conference.


There are tons of assistant coaches on top programs that

Hasse makes 525K base. CUSA sucked this year, BTW.

And they aren't cheaper...they are in addition to Lebo's contract.

Again, does ECU have over $2 million to spend on basketball coaches for the next five years?

Where do you keep getting $2 million dollars a year at? If Lebo has a buyout, then how exactly is a new coach's salary added to Lebo's? Lebo's buyout would take his salary off of the books at that point.

Btw, Hasse has made the NCAA tournament and the NIT tournament since being at UAB. Lebo has never, ever made the NCAA tournament and Lebo has only been to the NIT once or twice. How exactly wouldn't it be an upgrade to have a more accomplished coach?

Lebo is hot garbage. He is not an AAC level coach, but he is being paid more than the coach (Dunphy) that won the league. What is wrong with that picture?

ECU could probably double King Rice or Chris Beard's current salary and they still wouldn't probably make half of what Lebo makes. But those 2 guys would probably work 3 times as hard as Lebo has ever worked. Btw, Beard beat ECU earlier this year with less resources.
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(03-14-2016 11:49 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 11:12 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 11:02 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 10:58 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  The problem both ECU and Memphis have with the contracts are that you have to pay big time money for your next coach.

The bar is raised. $1.5 mill a year minimum for the next guy. Plus the payout to the other guy.

Just doesn't make financial sense to pay that $1.5 mill (or more) more.

That's what happened with Donnie Jones this year....UCF just had to play out his contract. Now they can move on....and hopefully salvage their best players in the process.

Wrong. Only Memphis has a big time buy out. Ours is peanuts in comparison. Sick of the poor mouth shite from ECU fans. Donors need to step up in this league ore slap on more student fees. This Lebo episode is making it blatantly obvious that we are committed to competing at a high level at BOTH revenue sports. This will hopefully sort itself out by the end of next season after we have ANOTHER disaster year riddled with transfers and losses.

I didn't talk about the buyout, I talked about the cost of the NEW coach. ECU doesn't have the money for that.

I recall the UNCW AD a few years back talking about her search for a college coach. Set out with about a $400K budget...ended up paying Buzz Peterson $600K. She said she was surprised the cost to get a coach had climbed so much.

That's my point...in this league, you better be willing to pay $1.5 or more. ECU is not ready for that. We will see if UCF and Tulane are...but they waited until they didn't have buyouts to deal with to make that decision.

I don’t think you need to come close to 1.5 million to get a good coach, especially a young one looking to make a name for himself in a top 8 basketball conference. Dunphy only makes $800,000.

Look at some of the names on here and their numbers last season:

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries...all/coach/

Bobby Hurley at Buffalo $305,000
Bryce Drew at Valpo $285,000
Steve Massiello at Manhattan $237,000
Mike Davis at Texas Southern $230,000
Bob McKillop at Davidson $381,000
Archie Miller at Dayton is only making $680,000

I’m not saying the guys listed above will leave their jobs and go to ECU I’m just saying it’s very realistic to find a young coach who can turn your program around for well under $1,000,000.

You missed Chris Beard


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(03-14-2016 01:45 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 11:49 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 11:12 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 11:02 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 10:58 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  The problem both ECU and Memphis have with the contracts are that you have to pay big time money for your next coach.

The bar is raised. $1.5 mill a year minimum for the next guy. Plus the payout to the other guy.

Just doesn't make financial sense to pay that $1.5 mill (or more) more.

That's what happened with Donnie Jones this year....UCF just had to play out his contract. Now they can move on....and hopefully salvage their best players in the process.

Wrong. Only Memphis has a big time buy out. Ours is peanuts in comparison. Sick of the poor mouth shite from ECU fans. Donors need to step up in this league ore slap on more student fees. This Lebo episode is making it blatantly obvious that we are committed to competing at a high level at BOTH revenue sports. This will hopefully sort itself out by the end of next season after we have ANOTHER disaster year riddled with transfers and losses.

I didn't talk about the buyout, I talked about the cost of the NEW coach. ECU doesn't have the money for that.

I recall the UNCW AD a few years back talking about her search for a college coach. Set out with about a $400K budget...ended up paying Buzz Peterson $600K. She said she was surprised the cost to get a coach had climbed so much.

That's my point...in this league, you better be willing to pay $1.5 or more. ECU is not ready for that. We will see if UCF and Tulane are...but they waited until they didn't have buyouts to deal with to make that decision.

I don’t think you need to come close to 1.5 million to get a good coach, especially a young one looking to make a name for himself in a top 8 basketball conference. Dunphy only makes $800,000.

Look at some of the names on here and their numbers last season:

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries...all/coach/

Bobby Hurley at Buffalo $305,000
Bryce Drew at Valpo $285,000
Steve Massiello at Manhattan $237,000
Mike Davis at Texas Southern $230,000
Bob McKillop at Davidson $381,000
Archie Miller at Dayton is only making $680,000

I’m not saying the guys listed above will leave their jobs and go to ECU I’m just saying it’s very realistic to find a young coach who can turn your program around for well under $1,000,000.

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Oh I know, and I’m sure there are plenty more guys out there, I was just pointing out using the link to the USA Today article from the 2015 season that you don’t have to pay over $1,000,000 to have a good young head coach. You just have to want to find one and make a commitment to taking a chance and getting better.
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(03-14-2016 01:34 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 01:22 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 01:19 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 01:10 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I found some info for Keatts at UNCW...

Base is about 350K...bases in the CAA go from about 250K to 400K. Always supplemental stuff in there...ad few hundred grand for that.

I had heard that Lebo was about 500K base...and supplementals up to a million. Lebo was making a base of 750K at Auburn.

Steve Fisher at SD State gets almost a million base.

So a place like ECU could hire a coach from the CAA, pay them a million (while they are paying Lebo his out as well) and see if they could do better...but is he going to justify that million more? He's a CAA coach, with little name recognition trying to turn around a program with little tradition and subpar facilities. What's the cost-benefit of that move? 2 million for what?

The only moves when you have a coach with a long term payout is to fire them and get someone BIG TIME for BIG TIME money or keep the other guy. That's it. If you want to hire that CAA coach, you pretty much let your current coach coach out his contract unless you want to spend big time money.

Here is a very short list of guys that ECU should go after that would be better than Lebo on day 1; and they would be cheaper:


King Rice - Monmouth
Chris Beard - Arkansas-Little Rock
Keatts - UNCW
Levell Mouton - NC Central
Jerrod Hasse - UAB. I have no idea what he makes, but I would be surprised if it is more than Lebo.
Bobby Lutz- Asst. NC State. I have no idea what he makes, but he has made 5 NCAA appearances and 3 NIT's. He is definitely better than Lebo and he is probably looking to get back as a head coach in a good conference.


There are tons of assistant coaches on top programs that

Hasse makes 525K base. CUSA sucked this year, BTW.

And they aren't cheaper...they are in addition to Lebo's contract.

Again, does ECU have over $2 million to spend on basketball coaches for the next five years?

Where do you keep getting $2 million dollars a year at? If Lebo has a buyout, then how exactly is a new coach's salary added to Lebo's? Lebo's buyout would take his salary off of the books at that point.

Btw, Hasse has made the NCAA tournament and the NIT tournament since being at UAB. Lebo has never, ever made the NCAA tournament and Lebo has only been to the NIT once or twice. How exactly wouldn't it be an upgrade to have a more accomplished coach?

Lebo is hot garbage. He is not an AAC level coach, but he is being paid more than the coach (Dunphy) that won the league. What is wrong with that picture?

ECU could probably double King Rice or Chris Beard's current salary and they still wouldn't probably make half of what Lebo makes. But those 2 guys would probably work 3 times as hard as Lebo has ever worked. Btw, Beard beat ECU earlier this year with less resources.

Here I'll spell it out. First of all Dunphy has been at Temple for 10 years. He's working off a contract from a long time ago. And some Temple fans want him gone.

Action: Fire Lebo and hire the JMU coach.

2017 Pay Lebo $1 mill (base and supplemental), Pay JMU coach $1 mill (base and supplemental)
2018 Pay Lebo $1 mill (base and supplemental), Pay JMU coach $1 mill (base and supplemental
2019 Same thing
2020 Same thing...except if JMU coach succeeds, you may have to increase him...more money. If he doesn't, your stuck with him.
2021 Same thing.

Non Action

2017 Pay Lebo $1 mill.
2018 Pay Lebo $1 mill.
ect...

You see my point, right? I asked if ECU has $2 mill to pay out annually. And then I said you have to be betting for that $2 mill that you will get some great return for it...NCAA tournament...sell outs, etc...while competing against UConn, Temple, Memphis, Cincy... While your facilities are below average for the league.

The reason most of those mid major guys have been to the tourney is because they play in mid major conferences. They don't have to play Top 100 programs 14 times a year. UAB played 4 Top 100 programs this year.
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(03-14-2016 01:50 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 01:34 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 01:22 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 01:19 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 01:10 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I found some info for Keatts at UNCW...

Base is about 350K...bases in the CAA go from about 250K to 400K. Always supplemental stuff in there...ad few hundred grand for that.

I had heard that Lebo was about 500K base...and supplementals up to a million. Lebo was making a base of 750K at Auburn.

Steve Fisher at SD State gets almost a million base.

So a place like ECU could hire a coach from the CAA, pay them a million (while they are paying Lebo his out as well) and see if they could do better...but is he going to justify that million more? He's a CAA coach, with little name recognition trying to turn around a program with little tradition and subpar facilities. What's the cost-benefit of that move? 2 million for what?

The only moves when you have a coach with a long term payout is to fire them and get someone BIG TIME for BIG TIME money or keep the other guy. That's it. If you want to hire that CAA coach, you pretty much let your current coach coach out his contract unless you want to spend big time money.

Here is a very short list of guys that ECU should go after that would be better than Lebo on day 1; and they would be cheaper:


King Rice - Monmouth
Chris Beard - Arkansas-Little Rock
Keatts - UNCW
Levell Mouton - NC Central
Jerrod Hasse - UAB. I have no idea what he makes, but I would be surprised if it is more than Lebo.
Bobby Lutz- Asst. NC State. I have no idea what he makes, but he has made 5 NCAA appearances and 3 NIT's. He is definitely better than Lebo and he is probably looking to get back as a head coach in a good conference.


There are tons of assistant coaches on top programs that

Hasse makes 525K base. CUSA sucked this year, BTW.

And they aren't cheaper...they are in addition to Lebo's contract.

Again, does ECU have over $2 million to spend on basketball coaches for the next five years?

Where do you keep getting $2 million dollars a year at? If Lebo has a buyout, then how exactly is a new coach's salary added to Lebo's? Lebo's buyout would take his salary off of the books at that point.

Btw, Hasse has made the NCAA tournament and the NIT tournament since being at UAB. Lebo has never, ever made the NCAA tournament and Lebo has only been to the NIT once or twice. How exactly wouldn't it be an upgrade to have a more accomplished coach?

Lebo is hot garbage. He is not an AAC level coach, but he is being paid more than the coach (Dunphy) that won the league. What is wrong with that picture?

ECU could probably double King Rice or Chris Beard's current salary and they still wouldn't probably make half of what Lebo makes. But those 2 guys would probably work 3 times as hard as Lebo has ever worked. Btw, Beard beat ECU earlier this year with less resources.

Here I'll spell it out. First of all Dunphy has been at Temple for 10 years. He's working off a contract from a long time ago. And some Temple fans want him gone.

Action: Fire Lebo and hire the JMU coach.

2017 Pay Lebo $1 mill (base and supplemental), Pay JMU coach $1 mill (base and supplemental)
2018 Pay Lebo $1 mill (base and supplemental), Pay JMU coach $1 mill (base and supplemental
2019 Same thing
2020 Same thing...except if JMU coach succeeds, you may have to increase him...more money. If he doesn't, your stuck with him.
2021 Same thing.

Non Action

2017 Pay Lebo $1 mill.
2018 Pay Lebo $1 mill.
ect...

You see my point, right? I asked if ECU has $2 mill to pay out annually. And then I said you have to be betting for that $2 mill that you will get some great return for it...NCAA tournament...sell outs, etc...while competing against UConn, Temple, Memphis, Cincy... While your facilities are below average for the league.

The reason most of those mid major guys have been to the tourney is because they play in mid major conferences. They don't have to play Top 100 programs 14 times a year. UAB played 4 Top 100 programs this year.

No I don't see your point. Does Lebo have a buyout? Typical buyouts mean that you don't pay the full amount of the remaining salary. You usually pay a percentage of that remaining amount. So if $2 million is owed, but there is a buy out of lets say 35% of the remaining contract because Lebo sucks; then Lebo would only get $700K rather than the full $2 million. ECU could expense that prorated amount the year that it is paid. So the question is; does Lebo have a buyout? If not then why? Because he sucked long before he got to ECU so there is no way that a good BOT would not have set a buyout for him.
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(03-14-2016 01:50 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Non Action

2017 Pay Lebo $1 mill.
2018 Pay Lebo $1 mill.
ect...

You see my point, right?

That is when you ask the question about whether the product that you've paid for to date will be acceptable for the remainder of his contract.

It's a matter of growth versus stagnancy. As we all know after yesterday, there is a lot more on the line than just entertainment.
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My understanding is that Lebo is due the amount of his contract if fired to be paid out annually. There is no buyout.

That's pretty standard nowadays. Hell, that's standard for your local City Manager. If you fire them, you pay out the contract the same as if he were working. This is why Coach Mac went and worked for ECU for a few years in fundraising...he still was owed money.

Contract buyouts are standard for professional athletes, I believe...probably because of the Cap hits, etc...and many of those guys get signing bonuses up front.

Despite what some ECU fans want, I don't believe ECU is in any financial position to fire Lebo. Unless some big donor steps up and pays for it.
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(03-14-2016 01:50 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Non Action

2017 Pay Lebo $1 mill.
2018 Pay Lebo $1 mill.
ect...

You see my point, right?

That is when you ask the question about whether the product that you've paid for to date will be acceptable for the remainder of his contract.

It's a matter of growth versus stagnancy. As we all know after yesterday, there is a lot more on the line than just entertainment.

The product ECU is getting in the AAC by Lebo is ABOUT the same as what Herrion was giving them in the old CUSA (the good one). Conference records are about the same if you look back...always double digit wins overall.

Lebo did do better in CUSA prior to the AAC, which is why he was given the extension.

ECU is kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. Probably just got to hope for improvement with more recruits coming in.

My opinion is that if ECU really wants to make the NCAA tourney...it would have to hire a Larry Brown type guy to do it. Maybe a Kelvin Sampson (we'll see if he gets Houston there).

And that will cost a lot of money.
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(03-14-2016 02:11 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  My understanding is that Lebo is due the amount of his contract if fired to be paid out annually. There is no buyout.

That's pretty standard nowadays. Hell, that's standard for your local City Manager. If you fire them, you pay out the contract the same as if he were working. This is why Coach Mac went and worked for ECU for a few years in fundraising...he still was owed money.

Contract buyouts are standard for professional athletes, I believe...probably because of the Cap hits, etc...and many of those guys get signing bonuses up front.

Despite what some ECU fans want, I don't believe ECU is in any financial position to fire Lebo. Unless some big donor steps up and pays for it.

You may want to check that buyout information one more time. Didn't Ruff have a buyout? Supposedly Donnie Jones the former UCF coach had a buyout. So why wouldn't Lebo have a buyout? You might want to check that information once more, because Lebo is not Pastner; and Pastner only had the buyout provision removed from his contract because Memphis was trying to prevent Pastner from taking the USC job. Highly doubtful that Lebo would have that kind of pull to not have a buyout provision.
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(03-14-2016 02:16 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  My opinion is that if ECU really wants to make the NCAA tourney...it would have to hire a Larry Brown type guy to do it. Maybe a Kelvin Sampson (we'll see if he gets Houston there).

And that will cost a lot of money.

Historically, ECU has never been able to offer the same quality of league, including exposure, to attract a candidate of that quality.

AAC programs have been successful hiring proven coaches. Not only Larry Brown and Kelvin Sampson, but Frank Haith at Tulsa as well.
There is no reason that ECU wouldn't be able to hire a capable, proven, skipper for the Pirate ship.

Instead of holding on to the coach that accepted a CUSA post after being fired for a better record than ECU has since procured through his services, what is stopping ECU from bringing in a guy that is up for the riggers of playing on ESPN every week??

It makes no sense. Imagine if Houston would have kept Dickey.
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(03-14-2016 02:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 02:11 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  My understanding is that Lebo is due the amount of his contract if fired to be paid out annually. There is no buyout.

That's pretty standard nowadays. Hell, that's standard for your local City Manager. If you fire them, you pay out the contract the same as if he were working. This is why Coach Mac went and worked for ECU for a few years in fundraising...he still was owed money.

Contract buyouts are standard for professional athletes, I believe...probably because of the Cap hits, etc...and many of those guys get signing bonuses up front.

Despite what some ECU fans want, I don't believe ECU is in any financial position to fire Lebo. Unless some big donor steps up and pays for it.

You may want to check that buyout information one more time. Didn't Ruff have a buyout? Supposedly Donnie Jones the former UCF coach had a buyout. So why wouldn't Lebo have a buyout? You might want to check that information once more, because Lebo is not Pastner; and Pastner only had the buyout provision removed from his contract because Memphis was trying to prevent Pastner from taking the USC job. Highly doubtful that Lebo would have that kind of pull to not have a buyout provision.

Ruff didn't have a buyout. He was due his last two years of his contract, UNLESS he found another job. And then he would be due any amount under what he would be paid by that job. In this case, he goes to UVA as an assistant and makes the same money as if he would stay at ECU.

This may the case for Lebo, but it may also be the case that Lebo goes home and does nothing. His wife is from Williamston and his parents live in Winterville. So he could just go home and collect his checks.

Obviously football revenue and basketball revenue are two entirely different things at ECU.

Some people misuse the term "buyout" for "payout"...buyout would be a lump sum due immediately, most places like ECU would rather use payout contracts that spread out those costs.

One thing to keep in mind...basketball coaches make just as much as football coaches...probably more. There are more jobs and more competition for those coaches. Cal makes over $6 mill a year...Saban probably does as well. I think some at ECU think our football coach should make more, but the level of the conference is the same in football and basketball nationally.
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(03-14-2016 02:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 02:11 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  My understanding is that Lebo is due the amount of his contract if fired to be paid out annually. There is no buyout.

That's pretty standard nowadays. Hell, that's standard for your local City Manager. If you fire them, you pay out the contract the same as if he were working. This is why Coach Mac went and worked for ECU for a few years in fundraising...he still was owed money.

Contract buyouts are standard for professional athletes, I believe...probably because of the Cap hits, etc...and many of those guys get signing bonuses up front.

Despite what some ECU fans want, I don't believe ECU is in any financial position to fire Lebo. Unless some big donor steps up and pays for it.

You may want to check that buyout information one more time. Didn't Ruff have a buyout? Supposedly Donnie Jones the former UCF coach had a buyout. So why wouldn't Lebo have a buyout? You might want to check that information once more, because Lebo is not Pastner; and Pastner only had the buyout provision removed from his contract because Memphis was trying to prevent Pastner from taking the USC job. Highly doubtful that Lebo would have that kind of pull to not have a buyout provision.

Ruff didn't have a buyout. He was due his last two years of his contract, UNLESS he found another job. And then he would be due any amount under what he would be paid by that job. In this case, he goes to UVA as an assistant and makes the same money as if he would stay at ECU.

This may the case for Lebo, but it may also be the case that Lebo goes home and does nothing. His wife is from Williamston and his parents live in Winterville. So he could just go home and collect his checks.

Obviously football revenue and basketball revenue are two entirely different things at ECU.

Some people misuse the term "buyout" for "payout"...buyout would be a lump sum due immediately, most places like ECU would rather use payout contracts that spread out those costs.

So does Lebo have a buyout?
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