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(03-16-2016 09:38 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(03-16-2016 01:08 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  As bad as Akron played the last 10 minutes (remember it was the Zips' 4th game in 6 nights... To OSU's first since Wednesday or Thursday), the number I'm most mad about is:

4,700.

That was the attendance, and it seemed like Akron had 500-1,000 of that. The reason the Zips got screwed and had to go to OSU was for attendance reasons. Guess what, put that game in Akron and it is SRO and 5,500 easily (would have been the biggest name school to ever come to the JAR, and the in-state Goliath at that).

So not only did Akron get hosed on the seed, they got hosed because of faulty ESPN/NIT logic.

With that said, Akron had a home game against Florida all but locked up in round 2 (even with the 3 point woes) and blew it. Just a frustrating end to what was an overall frustrating season.

you're bragging about getting 800 more (at most) to attend in the JAR? sorry but the Zips should have had several thousand in Columbus, not several hundred, its a 2hr drive.

I wasn't bragging about anything, just pointing out that Akron was purposely mis-seeded by the NIT/ESPN to put Akron and Ohio State against each other, and placed the game in Columbus for attendance factors. The attendance angle turned out to be bogus reasoning since I believe the game at the JAR would've been more highly attended.

This has nothing to do with size of fanbase, just Akron, which would've been on the 11/12 line in the NCAA tournament, suddenly goes to a 6 seed in the NIT. You don't see something wrong with that picture?

I wouldn't complain at all, either, if the game in Columbus would've drawn 10,000 because the NIT is about what they think would bring in the most money. But since the same sets of TV eyeballs would've been on the OSU-Akron game regardless of site, Akron definitely got jobbed out of a deserved home game on faulty premises.

Replace Akron with Ohio, Kent State and Toledo and the same argument would be made. Those three all also would've drew more than 4,700, but all three would've been sent to Columbus.

Overall, it's a MAC issue more than an Akron issue. The league's regular season champ, which by any metric, should've been a third seed at worst in the NIT, got screwed over by the big guy.

And maybe this scenario may help the little guys in future years, since a tournament game is the only way to get a school like OSU to your gym, and even an NIT game means more to the little guy's fan base, especially against a power program. Probably not, though, because the power schools will simply pull out, which is a joke.

For the game itself, I have no complaints. Akron went down there and choked away a game they should've have won.
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(03-16-2016 10:40 AM)axeme Wrote:  It's probably unreasonable to expect that Akron fans are going to show up in any numbers in Columbus. Akron and KSU attendance figures over the last decade or so are usually pretty close, but in a year when KSU was down and Akron was up, KSU surprisingly (to me, anyway) had better attendance. And when you look at the attendance at the Q where Akron was the 1-seed, there were under 7000 for both the semi-finals and the finals. Those are really weak attendance numbers for the MAC tourney and one would expect with Akron playing both nights that they might be higher, but their fanbase seems to have dwindled over the last couple of years.

Did Kent end up averaging more than Akron? Last time I recall attendance numbers being posted here, Kent was slightly up ... like 3,500 to 3,300. But that didn't include Akron's back-ended home schedule (BG, Ohio and Kent) where they averaged about 4,600 for those games.

Plus, let's keep in mind Akron played just one Saturday home game (Miami) during MAC play, which had to be a league low. And since three of the Saturday home games were moved to Friday for TV, it added in that factor, along with the issues you have Friday night vs. Saturday to begin with.

So you can hardly say the Akron fan base is "dwindling" once you factor that in. And let's not overstate Kent having a "down" year. Yeah, you had a big midseason injury, but you won't find sympathy from Akron fans there. It's been what five years (true some due to their own transgressions) since Akron has had its starting 5 available at the end of the year. Still, Kent was the No. 4 seed and was in the hunt for the regular season title heading into the final week.

Plus, saying it was an "up" year for Akron is also slightly overstating things. Yeah, it was up since they won the regular season title, but it's not like being in the regular season title mix is a new phenomenon for the Zips. More like a typical year for the Zips (though I'll admit to having a lot higher expectations from this team than the typical Akron fan).

As for Cleveland, I know this will be an impossible number to find, but how did Akron-EMU do for noon Thursday games at the Q? I'm guessing it was around 2,000 (nearly all Akron fans). I can't imagine many noon Thursday games (unless Kent also played in one) doing better. But that's the proximity advantage, so nothing to really brag about, but nothing to be ashamed of.

The Friday game was against BG, who brought virtually nobody. No surprise it was below 7,000, especially since its a team Akron has beaten like a rented mule under Dambrot. Still, it was still a pretty typical crowd for an Akron semifinal game (3-4,000 range) considering the opponent.

The final crowd was down, but still Akron probably had 4,000 plus. The best you can really expect is 5,000 for any of the Cleveland Big 3 of Akron, Kent and Ohio. So Akron slightly undershot that, but that 5,000 figure has usually included a game (or two) against another of the Big 3, and since neither Ohio or Kent were the opponents, not surprising the numbers were down. It's just the reality of the MAC tourney, and it's not like any other venue offers a better alternative. Attendance wise, the MAC really needs H2H matchups between Akron/Kent/Ohio to bring in big (9-10,000) numbers. Since those, for much of the past 15 years, have been the three best programs (sprinkle in Miami under Coles), it's also no surprise that there have been a lot of H2H matchups between them, boosting attendance.

With the depth of the league getting better, meaning less Akron/Ohio/Kent H2H matchups in Cleveland, no real shock attendance is moving back. Akron is just taking the brunt of the criticism because it is the only program that has been to the semifinals every year for the past 11 years (and 8 trips in the last 10 to the finals), so it is the only real constant when it comes to gauging attendance in Cleveland.
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(03-17-2016 12:17 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  This has nothing to do with size of fanbase, just Akron, which would've been on the 11/12 line in the NCAA tournament, suddenly goes to a 6 seed in the NIT. You don't see something wrong with that picture?

For the game itself, I have no complaints. Akron went down there and choked away a game they should've have won.

Lots of assumptions, especially that Akron would've been a 12 seed. Possible, but more likely would slide to 13 than to 11.

6 seed is fair, if you think they should be 12 in NCAA. NIT 32/NCAA 64ish...half the teams, half the seed...lol!
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I do agree that forces would never let Ohio State play at Toledo, Akron, Kent, Ohio etc in the postseason, no matter how bad OSU would finish. All of us would be sent to Columbus.


(03-17-2016 12:17 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  
(03-16-2016 09:38 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(03-16-2016 01:08 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  As bad as Akron played the last 10 minutes (remember it was the Zips' 4th game in 6 nights... To OSU's first since Wednesday or Thursday), the number I'm most mad about is:

4,700.

That was the attendance, and it seemed like Akron had 500-1,000 of that. The reason the Zips got screwed and had to go to OSU was for attendance reasons. Guess what, put that game in Akron and it is SRO and 5,500 easily (would have been the biggest name school to ever come to the JAR, and the in-state Goliath at that).

So not only did Akron get hosed on the seed, they got hosed because of faulty ESPN/NIT logic.

With that said, Akron had a home game against Florida all but locked up in round 2 (even with the 3 point woes) and blew it. Just a frustrating end to what was an overall frustrating season.

you're bragging about getting 800 more (at most) to attend in the JAR? sorry but the Zips should have had several thousand in Columbus, not several hundred, its a 2hr drive.

I wasn't bragging about anything, just pointing out that Akron was purposely mis-seeded by the NIT/ESPN to put Akron and Ohio State against each other, and placed the game in Columbus for attendance factors. The attendance angle turned out to be bogus reasoning since I believe the game at the JAR would've been more highly attended.

This has nothing to do with size of fanbase, just Akron, which would've been on the 11/12 line in the NCAA tournament, suddenly goes to a 6 seed in the NIT. You don't see something wrong with that picture?

I wouldn't complain at all, either, if the game in Columbus would've drawn 10,000 because the NIT is about what they think would bring in the most money. But since the same sets of TV eyeballs would've been on the OSU-Akron game regardless of site, Akron definitely got jobbed out of a deserved home game on faulty premises.

Replace Akron with Ohio, Kent State and Toledo and the same argument would be made. Those three all also would've drew more than 4,700, but all three would've been sent to Columbus.

Overall, it's a MAC issue more than an Akron issue. The league's regular season champ, which by any metric, should've been a third seed at worst in the NIT, got screwed over by the big guy.

And maybe this scenario may help the little guys in future years, since a tournament game is the only way to get a school like OSU to your gym, and even an NIT game means more to the little guy's fan base, especially against a power program. Probably not, though, because the power schools will simply pull out, which is a joke.

For the game itself, I have no complaints. Akron went down there and choked away a game they should've have won.
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(03-18-2016 10:32 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I do agree that forces would never let Ohio State play at Toledo, Akron, Kent, Ohio etc in the postseason, no matter how bad OSU would finish. All of us would be sent to Columbus.


(03-17-2016 12:17 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  
(03-16-2016 09:38 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(03-16-2016 01:08 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  As bad as Akron played the last 10 minutes (remember it was the Zips' 4th game in 6 nights... To OSU's first since Wednesday or Thursday), the number I'm most mad about is:

4,700.

That was the attendance, and it seemed like Akron had 500-1,000 of that. The reason the Zips got screwed and had to go to OSU was for attendance reasons. Guess what, put that game in Akron and it is SRO and 5,500 easily (would have been the biggest name school to ever come to the JAR, and the in-state Goliath at that).

So not only did Akron get hosed on the seed, they got hosed because of faulty ESPN/NIT logic.

With that said, Akron had a home game against Florida all but locked up in round 2 (even with the 3 point woes) and blew it. Just a frustrating end to what was an overall frustrating season.

you're bragging about getting 800 more (at most) to attend in the JAR? sorry but the Zips should have had several thousand in Columbus, not several hundred, its a 2hr drive.

I wasn't bragging about anything, just pointing out that Akron was purposely mis-seeded by the NIT/ESPN to put Akron and Ohio State against each other, and placed the game in Columbus for attendance factors. The attendance angle turned out to be bogus reasoning since I believe the game at the JAR would've been more highly attended.

This has nothing to do with size of fanbase, just Akron, which would've been on the 11/12 line in the NCAA tournament, suddenly goes to a 6 seed in the NIT. You don't see something wrong with that picture?

I wouldn't complain at all, either, if the game in Columbus would've drawn 10,000 because the NIT is about what they think would bring in the most money. But since the same sets of TV eyeballs would've been on the OSU-Akron game regardless of site, Akron definitely got jobbed out of a deserved home game on faulty premises.

Replace Akron with Ohio, Kent State and Toledo and the same argument would be made. Those three all also would've drew more than 4,700, but all three would've been sent to Columbus.

Overall, it's a MAC issue more than an Akron issue. The league's regular season champ, which by any metric, should've been a third seed at worst in the NIT, got screwed over by the big guy.

And maybe this scenario may help the little guys in future years, since a tournament game is the only way to get a school like OSU to your gym, and even an NIT game means more to the little guy's fan base, especially against a power program. Probably not, though, because the power schools will simply pull out, which is a joke.

For the game itself, I have no complaints. Akron went down there and choked away a game they should've have won.

In 1986, the NIT sent Ohio State to play at Ohio. OSU barely escaped with a win (65-62 was the final, if I remember correctly). it has never happened again and, like you said, probably won't!
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(03-18-2016 10:42 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  
(03-18-2016 10:32 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I do agree that forces would never let Ohio State play at Toledo, Akron, Kent, Ohio etc in the postseason, no matter how bad OSU would finish. All of us would be sent to Columbus.


(03-17-2016 12:17 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  
(03-16-2016 09:38 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(03-16-2016 01:08 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  As bad as Akron played the last 10 minutes (remember it was the Zips' 4th game in 6 nights... To OSU's first since Wednesday or Thursday), the number I'm most mad about is:

4,700.

That was the attendance, and it seemed like Akron had 500-1,000 of that. The reason the Zips got screwed and had to go to OSU was for attendance reasons. Guess what, put that game in Akron and it is SRO and 5,500 easily (would have been the biggest name school to ever come to the JAR, and the in-state Goliath at that).

So not only did Akron get hosed on the seed, they got hosed because of faulty ESPN/NIT logic.

With that said, Akron had a home game against Florida all but locked up in round 2 (even with the 3 point woes) and blew it. Just a frustrating end to what was an overall frustrating season.

you're bragging about getting 800 more (at most) to attend in the JAR? sorry but the Zips should have had several thousand in Columbus, not several hundred, its a 2hr drive.

I wasn't bragging about anything, just pointing out that Akron was purposely mis-seeded by the NIT/ESPN to put Akron and Ohio State against each other, and placed the game in Columbus for attendance factors. The attendance angle turned out to be bogus reasoning since I believe the game at the JAR would've been more highly attended.

This has nothing to do with size of fanbase, just Akron, which would've been on the 11/12 line in the NCAA tournament, suddenly goes to a 6 seed in the NIT. You don't see something wrong with that picture?

I wouldn't complain at all, either, if the game in Columbus would've drawn 10,000 because the NIT is about what they think would bring in the most money. But since the same sets of TV eyeballs would've been on the OSU-Akron game regardless of site, Akron definitely got jobbed out of a deserved home game on faulty premises.

Replace Akron with Ohio, Kent State and Toledo and the same argument would be made. Those three all also would've drew more than 4,700, but all three would've been sent to Columbus.

Overall, it's a MAC issue more than an Akron issue. The league's regular season champ, which by any metric, should've been a third seed at worst in the NIT, got screwed over by the big guy.

And maybe this scenario may help the little guys in future years, since a tournament game is the only way to get a school like OSU to your gym, and even an NIT game means more to the little guy's fan base, especially against a power program. Probably not, though, because the power schools will simply pull out, which is a joke.

For the game itself, I have no complaints. Akron went down there and choked away a game they should've have won.

In 1986, the NIT sent Ohio State to play at Ohio. OSU barely escaped with a win (65-62 was the final, if I remember correctly). it has never happened again and, like you said, probably won't!

That very well may be the last true road game OSU played against an instate school. In dont recall any others. The Buckeyes did play Cleveland State at the Q (Gund Arena) in 1994, in the inaugural Rock N Roll Shootout. Cleveland State's Malcolm Sims (a hometown kid and OSU transfer) hit a 3 game-winning three with about 10 seconds left to give Cleveland State a 75-73 win.

Since then, I don't think OSU has even played a neutral court game against an instate school. They won't even go to UC, Xavier or Dayton, so you can be certain, they will never go to a MAC school.

I'm guessing what happened behind the scenes was the NIT wanted to send OSU to Akron. OSU threatened to turn down the invite so the NIT gave in and screwed Akron out of a home game since the NIT wanted an Akron-OSU game to capture the Ohio TV audience.

This is just another, in a long line of reasons, why any Ohio school MAC fan should root against OSU, especially in basketball. The football program, which is 10 times more premier than their basketball program, has at least played at Cincinnati (at Paul Brown) and played Toledo in Cleveland in the last 10-15 years.
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(03-19-2016 01:05 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  
(03-18-2016 10:42 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  
(03-18-2016 10:32 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I do agree that forces would never let Ohio State play at Toledo, Akron, Kent, Ohio etc in the postseason, no matter how bad OSU would finish. All of us would be sent to Columbus.


(03-17-2016 12:17 AM)Wadszip Wrote:  
(03-16-2016 09:38 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  you're bragging about getting 800 more (at most) to attend in the JAR? sorry but the Zips should have had several thousand in Columbus, not several hundred, its a 2hr drive.

I wasn't bragging about anything, just pointing out that Akron was purposely mis-seeded by the NIT/ESPN to put Akron and Ohio State against each other, and placed the game in Columbus for attendance factors. The attendance angle turned out to be bogus reasoning since I believe the game at the JAR would've been more highly attended.

This has nothing to do with size of fanbase, just Akron, which would've been on the 11/12 line in the NCAA tournament, suddenly goes to a 6 seed in the NIT. You don't see something wrong with that picture?

I wouldn't complain at all, either, if the game in Columbus would've drawn 10,000 because the NIT is about what they think would bring in the most money. But since the same sets of TV eyeballs would've been on the OSU-Akron game regardless of site, Akron definitely got jobbed out of a deserved home game on faulty premises.

Replace Akron with Ohio, Kent State and Toledo and the same argument would be made. Those three all also would've drew more than 4,700, but all three would've been sent to Columbus.

Overall, it's a MAC issue more than an Akron issue. The league's regular season champ, which by any metric, should've been a third seed at worst in the NIT, got screwed over by the big guy.

And maybe this scenario may help the little guys in future years, since a tournament game is the only way to get a school like OSU to your gym, and even an NIT game means more to the little guy's fan base, especially against a power program. Probably not, though, because the power schools will simply pull out, which is a joke.

For the game itself, I have no complaints. Akron went down there and choked away a game they should've have won.

In 1986, the NIT sent Ohio State to play at Ohio. OSU barely escaped with a win (65-62 was the final, if I remember correctly). it has never happened again and, like you said, probably won't!

That very well may be the last true road game OSU played against an instate school. In dont recall any others. The Buckeyes did play Cleveland State at the Q (Gund Arena) in 1994, in the inaugural Rock N Roll Shootout. Cleveland State's Malcolm Sims (a hometown kid and OSU transfer) hit a 3 game-winning three with about 10 seconds left to give Cleveland State a 75-73 win.

Since then, I don't think OSU has even played a neutral court game against an instate school. They won't even go to UC, Xavier or Dayton, so you can be certain, they will never go to a MAC school.

I'm guessing what happened behind the scenes was the NIT wanted to send OSU to Akron. OSU threatened to turn down the invite so the NIT gave in and screwed Akron out of a home game since the NIT wanted an Akron-OSU game to capture the Ohio TV audience.

This is just another, in a long line of reasons, why any Ohio school MAC fan should root against OSU, especially in basketball. The football program, which is 10 times more premier than their basketball program, has at least played at Cincinnati (at Paul Brown) and played Toledo in Cleveland in the last 10-15 years.

Here is what happened the last time tOSU came to Toledo 12/5/98, hence they won't come back!!!


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