USM doesn't have the budget to even make the move. Doesn't CUSA have a large buyout to move or would the AAC pick it up? La Tech or Marshall would be a better pick though.

Lol

(03-13-2016 08:43 PM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  USM doesn't have the budget to even make the move. Doesn't CUSA have a large buyout to move or would the AAC pick it up? La Tech or Marshall would be a better pick though.

You can pay exit fees over at least 5 years. If they get $2 million just from tv deal, plus extra money from ncaa credits worth millions, plus additional tickets sold at athletic events, plus greater access bowl chance, and just overall prestige it is worth it.

Just hypothetical uconn and Cincinnati gone....still have Memphis basketball, smu basketball, Temple basketball, Tulsa basketball, and Houston on the move.

(03-13-2016 02:28 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(03-13-2016 02:17 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  From the standpoint of a Memphis fan, I would look forward to renewing the series with USM in both basketball and basketball. I could say the same about UAB, but their prez killed that idea when he killed their football program.

But from the perspective of the AAC, I think the league ought to stay pat with no additions if possible. Even with a team or two leaving, adding more imho creates more instability, when they should just build on what they've got.

What everyone needs to really do is sit tight. While the attention has been on the b12 there is a even more dangerous storm brewing in that the b10 may gut the acc. How long have we seen predictions that either the b12 or the acc would be swallowed up? With the b10 contract coming up it could be time for that.

Doesn't the guarantee of rights protect against that? Even UNC and UVA can't leave that much money behind.

(03-13-2016 08:43 PM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  USM doesn't have the budget to even make the move. Doesn't CUSA have a large buyout to move or would the AAC pick it up? La Tech or Marshall would be a better pick though.

You forget as one of the original remaining members, a "buyout" to move to another conference for USM or UAB would be completely minimal.

(03-12-2016 06:24 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 06:15 PM)wh49er Wrote:  Charlotte and ODU, not really hard to figure out if it happens. Another PR ploy by USM.

Actually it is a diversion ploy. USM is really getting ready to accept that Big 12 invite. AAC just not at the level we want. Will probably only stay in the Big 12 for a couple of years and will then move to the SEC. Can't wait.

We would be really sad if you left us for the SEC after going with us hand-in-hand to the B12.

(03-13-2016 09:05 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(03-13-2016 02:28 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(03-13-2016 02:17 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  From the standpoint of a Memphis fan, I would look forward to renewing the series with USM in both basketball and basketball. I could say the same about UAB, but their prez killed that idea when he killed their football program.

But from the perspective of the AAC, I think the league ought to stay pat with no additions if possible. Even with a team or two leaving, adding more imho creates more instability, when they should just build on what they've got.

What everyone needs to really do is sit tight. While the attention has been on the b12 there is a even more dangerous storm brewing in that the b10 may gut the acc. How long have we seen predictions that either the b12 or the acc would be swallowed up? With the b10 contract coming up it could be time for that.

Doesn't the guarantee of rights protect against that? Even UNC and UVA can't leave that much money behind.

The gor in that league was conditioned on the launch of the acc network which espn has been in no rush to do.

(03-13-2016 09:44 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(03-13-2016 08:43 PM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  USM doesn't have the budget to even make the move. Doesn't CUSA have a large buyout to move or would the AAC pick it up? La Tech or Marshall would be a better pick though.

You forget as one of the original remaining members, a "buyout" to move to another conference for USM or UAB would be completely minimal.

Actually the founding members rumor is completely false. Doesn't matter you would be happy to pay it and it would be over many years away.

If the c-USA losses just 1 do you add one to go to 14? Hopefully La-La finally gets a look. They seem like the best out of anything remaining.

I wish USM nothing but the best. If they go, I'll cheer for them.

Well, if any combination of UCONN, Cincy, Memphis, or Houston go (especially UCONN), does anyone think that the AAC prestige is gonna take a hit with ESPN insofar as basketball credits and TV money when the new deal comes out?

It would suck to see So Miss leave but I would be happy for them. No team with a pulse wants to be in this conference.

(03-13-2016 12:07 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 07:43 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 04:57 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  It's going to come down to similar budget to the AAC schools and academics... That is who will get the nod

Yes, exactly. Budgets, budgets, budgets.

If it is all about Budgets, why didnt ULL get the CUSA invite?

Tech was chosen over ULL for CUSA, now you post irrevelant rambling posts on the CUSA board because ULL was jilted, left behind in the Sunbelt, and Tech is moving forward in a better Athletic Conference.

There is no need to make every thread a Tech vs ULL. Tech has move on from ULL, you should do the same.

CUSA didn't move forward, we moved backwards.

We made some good additions but should have stopped at 9.

USM has never beaten us so it doesn't matter if they stay or go to me. I thought the entire conference's exit fees got restructured before the former commish left where they were much higher after ECU and Tulane left. I also thought that USM didn't have a ton of cash. They let Monken just walk out the door. If they had cash, they could have bumped him up to keep him. Plus, 7-8 other coaches passed on them before they finally got Hopson. It's not like they are doing that well financially. If they were, they wouldn't be having those issues and probably would have left when ECU did. I would think Marshall or La Tech would be considered way before them to move up. I know where we stand. If Memphis moved up, we might be considered because of the Nashville market but WKU is ahead of us right now in consideration I believe. We'll see I guess.

As for the current state of the conference, We've been earning our place here and we would do so no matter what conference we're in. I can't say the same about some of our other former SBC teams but I know we've been one of the better add ons since we moved up. I'm pulling for them to get better but I didn't pick em. I would have gone after teams like Appy st., Ga Southern, Ark st. and ULL but I'm not the commish.

The AAC conference had an up year last year but look for them to dip. Memphis lost a ton and their coaching staff got destroyed. SMU, Tulane, UCF and ECU won't be much better than they were. Temple and USF might be ok but lost some folks too. Cincy is losing their grip and Tuberville is doing his usual 4-5 year nose dive. Houston is the only team that will be strong with no real issues. Not knocking them but they were the old CUSA and when we played the old CUSA as a belt team, we beat who we played on the regular. If our bottom teams catch fire, we'll be fine. It is what it is.

(03-14-2016 08:27 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Well, if any combination of UCONN, Cincy, Memphis, or Houston go (especially UCONN), does anyone think that the AAC prestige is gonna take a hit with ESPN insofar as basketball credits and TV money when the new deal comes out?

Possibly with the new deal, but doubtful they make any adjustments before then. Here are the AAC's aggregate ratings for 2015 conference games.

Quote:Navy 1,854,000.00 (1 ABC 1ESPN2)
Houston 966,750.00 (2 ABC, 3 ESPN2, 2ESPNU 1ESPNEWS)
Memphis 767,142.86 (2 ESPN, 3 ESPN2, 1ESPNU, 1ESPNEWS)
Temple 717,428.57 (1ABC, 2ESPN2, 3ESPNU, 1ESPNEWS)
USF 437,500.00 (1ESPN, 1ESPN2, 1ESPNU, 1ESPNEWS)
Cincinnati 393,200.00 (1ESPN, 1ESPN2, 3ESPNEWS)
ECU 336,800.00 (1ESPN, 1ESPN2, 1ESPNU, 2ESPNEWS)
Tulsa 269,333.33 (1ESPN, 1ESPNU, 4ESPNEWS)
SMU 257,714.29 (2ESPN2, 5ESPNEWS)
UCF 225,714.29 (2ESPN, 5ESPNEWS)
UCONN 200,166.67 (4ESPNU, 2ESPNEWS)
Tulane 113,500.00 (3ESPNU, 3ESPNEWS)

http://csnbbs.com/thread-767624.html

0-12 UCF averaged better ratings than bowl eligible UCONN. In year two of the contract, AAC viewership bucked the national trend of declining ratings and rose 53%.

Navy may be one of the most valuable G5 properties and gets added to the AAC contract in the next go around. A lot can happen b/f the next renegotiation so it's hard to predict with any semblance of certainty. The one thing the AAC does have going for it is strong viewership from multiple schools...some of which will remain in conference due to the number of available spots for promotion.

Selfishly, I hope USM gets the invite. TTT!

(03-14-2016 08:56 AM)StandingInEE Wrote:  

(03-13-2016 12:07 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 07:43 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 04:57 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  It's going to come down to similar budget to the AAC schools and academics... That is who will get the nod

Yes, exactly. Budgets, budgets, budgets.

If it is all about Budgets, why didnt ULL get the CUSA invite?

Tech was chosen over ULL for CUSA, now you post irrevelant rambling posts on the CUSA board because ULL was jilted, left behind in the Sunbelt, and Tech is moving forward in a better Athletic Conference.

There is no need to make every thread a Tech vs ULL. Tech has move on from ULL, you should do the same.

CUSA didn't move forward, we moved backwards.

We made some good additions but should have stopped at 9.

If they had stopped at nine you wouldn't have Middle Tennessee or Western Kentucky.

(03-14-2016 09:14 AM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  They let Monken just walk out the door. If they had cash, they could have bumped him up to keep him.

Monken left to take a position he coveted as a NFL OC under one of his best friends for over $2M a year. Your comment is failed in more ways than I can count.

(03-14-2016 09:14 AM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  I thought the entire conference's exit fees got restructured before the former commish left where they were much higher after ECU and Tulane left. I also thought that USM didn't have a ton of cash. They let Monken just walk out the door. If they had cash, they could have bumped him up to keep him. Plus, 7-8 other coaches passed on them before they finally got Hopson. It's not like they are doing that well financially. If they were, they wouldn't be having those issues and probably would have left when ECU did.

1. I don't believe they were restructured, but I also don't believe USM gets a founders discount.

2. We don't have a ton of money.

3. We didn't let Monken leave. It wasn't a money issue for him. He turned down multiple power 5 deals worth over 2 million a year to stay. The reason he left is because the guy who got the Tampa Bay job is one of his best friends. Hard to turn down that opportunity. It wasn't about bumping his pay, which we were doing.

4. This is just wrong. 7-8 other coaches didn't pass on us. I don't think you realize how attractive a job we are. Despite the last three years, people believe they can win here and they are expected to. There was a lot of interest and McGillis chose who he wanted. Those saying they "pulled out" were turned down, according to what I've heard. I'm sure that's not the case for every one, but the majority it is.

5. Leaving when ECU did didn't come down to financials. Everyone thought market was everything last round. Why do you think we picked up a bunch of bad Sun Belt schools? Markets. Hattiesburg isn't a big market. With that said, USM consistently draws better average viewership than over half of the teams in the AAC because of the brand we created in the 80s and 90s as the "giant killer". Knowledgeable football fans know who we are, Brett Favre, etc. And this go round, it's not about market. It's about bringing in a team that can win and get the G5s access bowl spot. That's where the money is.

I give the AAC as much crap as anybody, and yeah, that "P6" nonsense is just that, but anybody who'd prefer to have their school reside in CUSA needs their head examined.

I really have a hard time believing anyone could be that incompetent, but there was a rumor at the time that Southern Miss was offered a seat at the table during the discussions that led to the AAC's formation, but our (since changed) leadership said, "no, thank you." I didn't believe it then because...well, come on, REALLY? But now I find myself wondering if those who argue against a move now aren't just parroting the previous company line.

All that said, given our history with most of the AAC members, other considerations previously mentioned in this thread, the evolution of TV delivery, and the advent of the football playoff payout formula, I don't doubt for a millisecond we're on deck. Whether it comes to pass or not, who knows? That McGillis was at the AAC tourney is the thickest smoke yet, though.

(03-14-2016 12:30 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  I give the AAC as much crap as anybody, and yeah, that "P6" nonsense is just that, but anybody who'd prefer to have their school reside in CUSA needs their head examined.

Agreed. They got 4 tourney teams. 4. That's mucho money & respect compared to C-USA.

(03-14-2016 12:30 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  I give the AAC as much crap as anybody, and yeah, that "P6" nonsense is just that, but anybody who'd prefer to have their school reside in CUSA needs their head examined.

I really have a hard time believing anyone could be that incompetent, but there was a rumor at the time that Southern Miss was offered a seat at the table during the discussions that led to the AAC's formation, but our (since changed) leadership said, "no, thank you." I didn't believe it then because...well, come on, REALLY? But now I find myself wondering if those who argue against a move now aren't just parroting the previous company line.

All that said, given our history with most of the AAC members, other considerations previously mentioned in this thread, the evolution of TV delivery, and the advent of the football playoff payout formula, I don't doubt for a millisecond we're on deck. Whether it comes to pass or not, who knows? That McGillis was at the AAC tourney is the thickest smoke yet, though.

I believe more now that RG would have turned down a seat. This successor would have also because he didn't know any better and listened to the wrong crowd.