(03-12-2016 12:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 12:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 12:56 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Case in point....we were dispatched at Oh-God-30 one Wednesday morning for an unknown medical complaint to one of our many Section 8 apartment complexes. We get there to find a Welfare Queen complaining of a toothache. We asked when it started and she said "Sunday." I could instantly tell my Captain was pissed, but didn't know why. EMS comes and transports her to the ER, we clear the scene. On the way back to the barn I asked him what pissed him off. He said "She had a toothache since Sunday but was too lazy to walk across the street to the free clinic that was open Monday and Tuesday."

You want more stories like that because after 20+ years working where I worked I have a truckload of them.

I'm sure some people are like that because they have to be taught how to use healthcare. If you've never had it before, how are you supposed to know how to use it?

I thought obamacare was supposed to cure that problem. Maybe this lady didn't get a new cell phone to call someone and axe.

This was pre-Obamacare, but I feel sure she's probably living in the same apartment and would still call 911 to get the boo-boo box for non-emergency medical complaints.

A lot of it is the urban myth that if you go in by ambulance you don't have to wait to be seen. Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids.....when it's a BS case they make it a point to tell the ER that the patient can be triaged in the radio report enroute to the hospital. I used to love when I either did driver back-up or after I got promoted we went to pick our crew member up who drove the unit in and listen to the EMS abusers complain about getting taken off the Ferno, put in a wheel chair and rolled out to the waiting room.
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Some people are just ignorant. You can't throw the baby out with the bath water though. You have to keep educating people.
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you got that one right....your excuse would be?

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

(03-12-2016 12:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 12:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 12:56 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Case in point....we were dispatched at Oh-God-30 one Wednesday morning for an unknown medical complaint to one of our many Section 8 apartment complexes. We get there to find a Welfare Queen complaining of a toothache. We asked when it started and she said "Sunday." I could instantly tell my Captain was pissed, but didn't know why. EMS comes and transports her to the ER, we clear the scene. On the way back to the barn I asked him what pissed him off. He said "She had a toothache since Sunday but was too lazy to walk across the street to the free clinic that was open Monday and Tuesday."

You want more stories like that because after 20+ years working where I worked I have a truckload of them.

I'm sure some people are like that because they have to be taught how to use healthcare. If you've never had it before, how are you supposed to know how to use it?

I thought obamacare was supposed to cure that problem. Maybe this lady didn't get a new cell phone to call someone and axe.

This was pre-Obamacare, but I feel sure she's probably living in the same apartment and would still call 911 to get the boo-boo box for non-emergency medical complaints.

A lot of it is the urban myth that if you go in by ambulance you don't have to wait to be seen. Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids.....when it's a BS case they make it a point to tell the ER that the patient can be triaged in the radio report enroute to the hospital. I used to love when I either did driver back-up or after I got promoted we went to pick our crew member up who drove the unit in and listen to the EMS abusers complain about getting taken off the Ferno, put in a wheel chair and rolled out to the waiting room.
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Some people are just ignorant. You can't throw the baby out with the bath water though. You have to keep educating people.
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We tried many times, but you can't educate the unwilling and/or lazy. They didn't care....just like their food and rent they weren't paying for it anyway.

We had a Captain suspended for a shift after arriving on scene to a BS call and hearing an engine company and EMS dispatched to a vehicle collision in their primary area. He advised the EMS unit inbound to his location that their call was a non-emergent, routine call and under control if they wanted to re-route to the MVC. They did and arrived on the MVC scene in short order to find serious injuries. The mistake he made was telling the societal leech who was using EMS as a taxi service what he did. This man filed a complaint saying the only reason the Captain did it was he was black and got the NAACP involved. The race-baiting terrorists in the NAACP demanded their pound of flesh and got it. The day this Captain returned from suspension he submitted his retirement papers, costing our agency one of our best fire ground officers, because the admin didn't have his back. It wasn't even the lost wages....on his days off he owned his own business and probably made more money than he would have earned for that shift....it was the principal of the matter. That one frequent flying leech on society was able to put other people, likely taxpayers who had actually contributed something to society in their lifetime, at risk because he was too lazy to take himself to the doctor.

(03-12-2016 01:18 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 12:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 12:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 12:56 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Case in point....we were dispatched at Oh-God-30 one Wednesday morning for an unknown medical complaint to one of our many Section 8 apartment complexes. We get there to find a Welfare Queen complaining of a toothache. We asked when it started and she said "Sunday." I could instantly tell my Captain was pissed, but didn't know why. EMS comes and transports her to the ER, we clear the scene. On the way back to the barn I asked him what pissed him off. He said "She had a toothache since Sunday but was too lazy to walk across the street to the free clinic that was open Monday and Tuesday."

You want more stories like that because after 20+ years working where I worked I have a truckload of them.

I'm sure some people are like that because they have to be taught how to use healthcare. If you've never had it before, how are you supposed to know how to use it?

I thought obamacare was supposed to cure that problem. Maybe this lady didn't get a new cell phone to call someone and axe.

This was pre-Obamacare, but I feel sure she's probably living in the same apartment and would still call 911 to get the boo-boo box for non-emergency medical complaints.

A lot of it is the urban myth that if you go in by ambulance you don't have to wait to be seen. Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids.....when it's a BS case they make it a point to tell the ER that the patient can be triaged in the radio report enroute to the hospital. I used to love when I either did driver back-up or after I got promoted we went to pick our crew member up who drove the unit in and listen to the EMS abusers complain about getting taken off the Ferno, put in a wheel chair and rolled out to the waiting room.

Some people are just ignorant. You can't throw the baby out with the bath water though. You have to keep educating people.
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We tried many times, but you can't educate the unwilling and/or lazy. They didn't care....just like their food and rent they weren't paying for it anyway.

We had a Captain suspended for a shift after arriving on scene to a BS call and hearing an engine company and EMS dispatched to a vehicle collision in their primary area. He advised the EMS unit inbound to his location that their call was a non-emergent, routine call and under control if they wanted to re-route to the MVC. They did and arrived on the MVC scene in short order to find serious injuries. The mistake he made was telling the societal leech who was using EMS as a taxi service what he did. This man filed a complaint saying the only reason the Captain did it was he was black and got the NAACP involved. The race-baiting terrorists in the NAACP demanded their pound of flesh and got it. The day this Captain returned from suspension he submitted his retirement papers, costing our agency one of our best fire ground officers, because the admin didn't have his back. It wasn't even the lost wages....on his days off he owned his own business and probably made more money than he would have earned for that shift....it was the principal of the matter. That one frequent flying leech on society was able to put other people, likely taxpayers who had actually contributed something to society in their lifetime, at risk because he was too lazy to take himself to the doctor.
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That's f'd up.

The nastiest thing about the current political argument is this idea that the average American is stupid, ignorant, or both.

(03-14-2016 11:42 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The nastiest thing about the current political argument is this idea that the average American is stupid, ignorant, or both.

I agree with that, although I also tend to think it might in some cases be pretty damn true. Curious where you think the idea originated -- from the elite, the right, the left?

I sometimes wonder if all the name calling that passes for 'debate' hasn't contributed to a general dumbing down of the electorate, me included.

I do know I've got relatives in the Upstate who live on social security disability because they're too fat to work and they wouldn't vote Democrat on a bet because President Obama is a Muslim who wants to take their guns.

(03-14-2016 11:59 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 11:42 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The nastiest thing about the current political argument is this idea that the average American is stupid, ignorant, or both.

I agree with that, although I also tend to think it might in some cases be pretty damn true. Curious where you think the idea originated -- from the elite, the right, the left?

I sometimes wonder if all the name calling that passes for 'debate' hasn't contributed to a general dumbing down of the electorate, me included.

I do know I've got relatives in the Upstate who live on social security disability because they're too fat to work and they wouldn't vote Democrat on a bet because President Obama is a Muslim who wants to take their guns.

We all know people who are below average. Hell, half the people you meet in a day are below average.

But, to say that is to ignore the fact that half the people you meet every day are above it.

The average American is no idiot and the Average American, to paraphrase Teddy Roosevelt, is better suited to govern and control himself than any group of experts.

It's all part of the game to split and control people. I think it comes from the elites that love for people one or two points above average to side with them simply because it makes them feel like at least they aren't "those" people.

In reality, education is not what makes elites. It's a ploy.

It's much the same in the economic front. The top 2% are more like the bottom 5% than they are the top 0.1%. Hell, the top 0.9% are more like the bottom 5% than they are the top 0.1%.

(03-14-2016 11:59 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 11:42 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The nastiest thing about the current political argument is this idea that the average American is stupid, ignorant, or both.

I agree with that, although I also tend to think it might in some cases be pretty damn true. Curious where you think the idea originated -- from the elite, the right, the left?

I sometimes wonder if all the name calling that passes for 'debate' hasn't contributed to a general dumbing down of the electorate, me included.

I do know I've got relatives in the Upstate who live on social security disability because they're too fat to work and they wouldn't vote Democrat on a bet because President Obama is a Muslim who wants to take their guns.

The Democrats have been saying that about Republicans for years, despite the fact that the least educated voters are heavily Democrat.

(03-14-2016 12:05 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 11:59 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 11:42 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The nastiest thing about the current political argument is this idea that the average American is stupid, ignorant, or both.

I agree with that, although I also tend to think it might in some cases be pretty damn true. Curious where you think the idea originated -- from the elite, the right, the left?

I sometimes wonder if all the name calling that passes for 'debate' hasn't contributed to a general dumbing down of the electorate, me included.

I do know I've got relatives in the Upstate who live on social security disability because they're too fat to work and they wouldn't vote Democrat on a bet because President Obama is a Muslim who wants to take their guns.

We all know people who are below average. Hell, half the people you meet in a day are below average.

But, to say that is to ignore the fact that half the people you meet every day are above it.

The average American is no idiot and the Average American, to paraphrase Teddy Roosevelt, is better suited to govern and control himself than any group of experts.

It's all part of the game to split and control people. I think it comes from the elites that love for people one or two points above average to side with them simply because it makes them feel like at least they aren't "those" people.

In reality, education is not what makes elites. It's a ploy.

It's much the same in the economic front. The top 2% are more like the bottom 5% than they are the top 0.1%. Hell, the top 0.9% are more like the bottom 5% than they are the top 0.1%.

Dead on about splitting and controlling people. Its a numbers game for one party with two faces.

Trump and Bernie messed up the numbers.

The idea of "at least I'm not those people" has a long history in America.

Unfortunately those most harmed by it seem to be embracing it fully. There is no safe space from it and a trigger warning about it won't help.

(03-14-2016 01:03 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 12:05 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 11:59 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 11:42 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The nastiest thing about the current political argument is this idea that the average American is stupid, ignorant, or both.

I agree with that, although I also tend to think it might in some cases be pretty damn true. Curious where you think the idea originated -- from the elite, the right, the left?

I sometimes wonder if all the name calling that passes for 'debate' hasn't contributed to a general dumbing down of the electorate, me included.

I do know I've got relatives in the Upstate who live on social security disability because they're too fat to work and they wouldn't vote Democrat on a bet because President Obama is a Muslim who wants to take their guns.

We all know people who are below average. Hell, half the people you meet in a day are below average.

But, to say that is to ignore the fact that half the people you meet every day are above it.

The average American is no idiot and the Average American, to paraphrase Teddy Roosevelt, is better suited to govern and control himself than any group of experts.

It's all part of the game to split and control people. I think it comes from the elites that love for people one or two points above average to side with them simply because it makes them feel like at least they aren't "those" people.

In reality, education is not what makes elites. It's a ploy.

It's much the same in the economic front. The top 2% are more like the bottom 5% than they are the top 0.1%. Hell, the top 0.9% are more like the bottom 5% than they are the top 0.1%.

Dead on about splitting and controlling people. Its a numbers game for one party with two faces.

Trump and Bernie messed up the numbers.

The idea of "at least I'm not those people" has a long history in America.

Unfortunately those most harmed by it seem to be embracing it fully. There is no safe space from it and a trigger warning about it won't help.

It's a solid ploy.

Nobody wants to think they are average, and certainly not below average. If proving you aren't average is as simple as ignoring somebody and putting them aside then that is a pretty solid offer.

It's what wealthy whites did for generations here. You could sell the old line, "at least I'm not a n--." You can't sell that any more so now it is "at least I'm not stupid" when in reality, neither are they.

I would take a person that is perceived stupid by the candidates but knows how to build things by himself then one with a Phd. who can't even start a lawnmower. In a very real emergency an educated person is usually WORTHLESS because he's used to having things done for them. A genuinely smart person is one who is has worked his entire life doing different things to support himself and his family. He has many, many talents.

If I owned a business I would hire the undereducated person much faster than a college graduate. Many of todays college graduates are too busy looking for their safe space and waiting for Bernie to pay their tuition. I'm being a little facetious on the last sentence.

(03-14-2016 12:05 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 11:59 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 11:42 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The nastiest thing about the current political argument is this idea that the average American is stupid, ignorant, or both.

I agree with that, although I also tend to think it might in some cases be pretty damn true. Curious where you think the idea originated -- from the elite, the right, the left?

I sometimes wonder if all the name calling that passes for 'debate' hasn't contributed to a general dumbing down of the electorate, me included.

I do know I've got relatives in the Upstate who live on social security disability because they're too fat to work and they wouldn't vote Democrat on a bet because President Obama is a Muslim who wants to take their guns.

We all know people who are below average. Hell, half the people you meet in a day are below average.

But, to say that is to ignore the fact that half the people you meet every day are above it.

The average American is no idiot and the Average American, to paraphrase Teddy Roosevelt, is better suited to govern and control himself than any group of experts.

It's all part of the game to split and control people. I think it comes from the elites that love for people one or two points above average to side with them simply because it makes them feel like at least they aren't "those" people.

In reality, education is not what makes elites. It's a ploy.

It's much the same in the economic front. The top 2% are more like the bottom 5% than they are the top 0.1%. Hell, the top 0.9% are more like the bottom 5% than they are the top 0.1%.

don't know about the specifics....but I know how I've adapted.....and it's not sitting on the porch....

color is irrelevant.....when those that think it is in any form, it's game over for them....and I have zero sympathy at this point....