Now, I could see the B1G and Pac-12 tag team to tear apart Big XII. THAT I can get behind.

Hey why not this?

B1G takes Colorado, Utah, USC, UCLA, Cal & Stanford. Then the Big 12 could take Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington & Washington State.

B1G
West: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal & Utah

Central: Nebraska, Colorado, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern

North: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State

East: Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers

Big 12(16)
West: Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, TT, TCU

East: Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, WV

(03-10-2016 10:50 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Hey why not this?

B1G takes Colorado, Utah, USC, UCLA, Cal & Stanford. Then the Big 12 could take Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington & Washington State.

B1G
West: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal & Utah

Central: Nebraska, Colorado, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern

North: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State

East: Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers

Big 12(16)
West: Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, TT, TCU

East: Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, WV

Uh, no

Cannibalizing the Big XII:

To Pac-12
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Texas
Baylor
Texas Tech
TCU

To B1G
Kansas
Kansas St.
West Virginia
Iowa St.

(03-10-2016 10:54 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Cannibalizing the Big XII:

To Pac-12
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Texas
Baylor
Texas Tech
TCU

To B1G
Kansas
Kansas St.
West Virginia
Iowa St.

There is no chance the B1G would take 2 schools from Kansas and for the 10,000th time, they're not taking a second school from Iowa.

Okay, but I prefer to keep state rivals together. What REASONABLE conference takes K-State and ISU?

(03-10-2016 10:54 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Cannibalizing the Big XII:

To Pac-12
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Texas
Baylor
Texas Tech
TCU

To B1G
Kansas
Kansas St.
West Virginia
Iowa St.

You are new at this so I won't bust your chops too hard and point out ALL the very obvious irony with your suggestions......but West Virginia to the Big Ten is an impossibility. The ACC and SEC have rejected them every time they've tried to get in and those two conferences don't have the academic requirements that the Big Ten has. Louisville to the ACC is not a sign that a school like that can now gain admittance to a conference full of schools with prestigious academics; it's an example of a conference making a horrible decision that will eventually destroy them.
Cheers!

(03-10-2016 09:17 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  In WHAT UNIVERSE does a conference spanning New Brunswick to Berkley make ANY sense?!

This is, indeed, part of what I was pointing at in my comment.

(03-10-2016 09:02 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Why would the B1G avoid Colorado? It's a large market school, AAU, #34 ARWU? It perfectly fits the B1G membership profile.

Why would even a school like Utah be a hinderance to landing the big prizes in California? ...

The point is that if the Big Ten is going to invite schools from California, the notion that they need a "geographic bridge" to do so is silly. For a conference spanning the whole continent like that, the "bridge" is flying around in airplanes, and the idea that the Sand Hills of Nebraska border on the plains of Eastern Colorado and the southwest corner of Colorado touches the northeast corner of Arizona at Four States, and then western Arizona touches the lightly populated eastern parts of Southern California makes a "geographic bridge" in any way relevant to the operations of a college sports conference is silly.

(03-10-2016 09:42 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(03-10-2016 09:17 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  In WHAT UNIVERSE does a conference spanning New Brunswick to Berkley make ANY sense?!

In a world where consumer expenditures for content are probably maxed out and the only way to maintain revenue is to take a larger piece of the pie. In a world where content middlemen (ESPN, FOX) take a large cut and have negotiating power over current small, geographically limited conferences. In a world the population, especially the segment with higher education is extremely mobile. In a world where Divisional play mitigates travel requirements for schools, and most large flagship schools already have very geographically dispersed fanbases.

And, perhaps most importantly, a world where Universities are wholly owned subsidiaries of sports conferences that are publicly traded commercial corporations, since in a world where conferences are membership associations with actions decided by the Universities are a member, it is not total revenues that matter as much as revenue per member school, and there is no reason to believe that this continent spanning conference with weak attachment of fans of individual schools to their conference will provide maximum revenue on a per school basis.

I think you have it all backwards. What is the Big Ten?
1) behind the Ivy League, the best brand in higher education.
2) through the CIC, a loose research consortium
3) an athletic association
4) a sports network

Mega conference/league formation is awkward to say the least from an athletic association perspective. It's the only factor that pushes against large scale B1G expansion. From an education brand perspective, Cal, Furd, USC, UCLA, UW, and CU would elevate the brand. From a research consortium perspective these schools plus UU, ASU, UA, and UO/OHSU expand and elevate the consortium. From a Network perspective, these schools would expand the B1G into growing rather than shrinking markets while spreading content over additional time zones. Let the PAC schools operate quasi-independently for sports. That's the one area where their addition wouldn't necessarily match the strain created.

(03-10-2016 11:10 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-10-2016 10:54 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Cannibalizing the Big XII:

To Pac-12
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Texas
Baylor
Texas Tech
TCU

To B1G
Kansas
Kansas St.
West Virginia
Iowa St.

You are new at this so I won't bust your chops too hard and point out ALL the very obvious irony with your suggestions......but West Virginia to the Big Ten is an impossibility. The ACC and SEC have rejected them every time they've tried to get in and those two conferences don't have the academic requirements that the Big Ten has. Louisville to the ACC is not a sign that a school like that can now gain admittance to a conference full of schools with prestigious academics; it's an example of a conference making a horrible decision that will eventually destroy them.
Cheers!

"Louisville to the ACC is not a sign that a school like that can now gain admittance to a conference full of schools with prestigious academics"

As a general rule that's true & certainly true concerning WV & the B1G.

"it's an example of a conference making a horrible decision that will eventually destroy them."

Huh? What are you talking about? How was adding Louisville a horrible decision for the ACC & how could Louisville possibly destroy the ACC? What's your logic here? Trolling I assume.

Would the AAC be interested in WVU?

(03-10-2016 09:17 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  In WHAT UNIVERSE does a conference spanning New Brunswick to Berkley make ANY sense?!

While I agree with you... the former Big East was doing their damnedest to try to lock down Texas California and Idaho.

(03-11-2016 08:04 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(03-10-2016 09:17 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  In WHAT UNIVERSE does a conference spanning New Brunswick to Berkley make ANY sense?!

While I agree with you... the former Big East was doing their damnedest to try to lock down Texas California and Idaho.

It was a conference that was at least discussed when the original PCC dissolved, just google Airplane Conference. Granted it would have been with fewer schools at that time, than a full blown BIG/Pac merger would entail, but travel was also a little harder then. Hell we almost saw the prelude to this with the BIG/Pac scheduling alliance, that obviously fell through in favor of 9 game conference slates. But it would not be hard to envision a merger as an outcome of the scheduling alliance had it come to fruition.

(03-11-2016 12:40 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Would the AAC be interested in WVU?

Seriously? There's not a single G5 conference that wouldn't buy in if any P5 member was even remotely interested. Would the Sun Belt take Minnesota? The Mountain West take Wake Forest? The MAC take Arizona State? Damn betcha. They'd figure out a way to make it work.

(03-10-2016 04:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-10-2016 09:41 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  No.

This response is a bit wordy, but I agree completely.

Agreed. Way too long Winded :)

Cynic: that's what I figured, though I also agree with your unspoken corollary: WVU isn't headed to the AAC.

So I again ask: what geographical reasonable conference would WVU get mutual interest from?

(03-10-2016 03:56 PM)GiveEmTheAxe Wrote:  If anyone is going to tag along with the CA schools it should be UW, not the AZ schools. We still treat them like the new kids on the block.

There are lots of Big Ten area folks who retire to Arizona.

Arizina State hockey may be part of the Big Ten.

(03-10-2016 09:28 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I don't see why any of the PAC schools would make that jump.

The Pac 12 Network can't find lucrative exposure. While SEC and Big Ten schools get $30 million paydays, The Pac 12 schools got $1 million.

The Pac 12 owns their own network. The just can't get distribution.

(03-11-2016 12:34 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-10-2016 11:10 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-10-2016 10:54 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Cannibalizing the Big XII:

To Pac-12
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Texas
Baylor
Texas Tech
TCU

To B1G
Kansas
Kansas St.
West Virginia
Iowa St.

You are new at this so I won't bust your chops too hard and point out ALL the very obvious irony with your suggestions......but West Virginia to the Big Ten is an impossibility. The ACC and SEC have rejected them every time they've tried to get in and those two conferences don't have the academic requirements that the Big Ten has. Louisville to the ACC is not a sign that a school like that can now gain admittance to a conference full of schools with prestigious academics; it's an example of a conference making a horrible decision that will eventually destroy them.
Cheers!

"Louisville to the ACC is not a sign that a school like that can now gain admittance to a conference full of schools with prestigious academics"

As a general rule that's true & certainly true concerning WV & the B1G.

"it's an example of a conference making a horrible decision that will eventually destroy them."

Huh? What are you talking about? How was adding Louisville a horrible decision for the ACC & how could Louisville possibly destroy the ACC? What's your logic here? Trolling I assume.

Surely trolling. Louisville has had some recent down times to be sure, but it is a University that is over 200 years old and shares some common history with the rest of the ACC schools. I think all but only a couple of other ACC schools would look at UL's history and say "that could have easily been us."