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(03-12-2016 08:16 AM)fallsdog Wrote:  Goodness, gracious. Maybe I need to stop visiting the site for a while because I am not a Zips apologist. But danny, to say that Akron has nothing after Johnson is crazy IMO.

First off all, Antino Jackson is among the better point guards in the league and he is only a sophomore. People can throw around as many stats as they want on Jackson, and that is fine. I've got stats too. He is in his second season averaging about 12 points and 3 assists per game while shooting 83% from the line. This after appearing in all 30+games least season. So I think the Zips will be okay at point guard next season while KSU fans are left wondering...who is Jalen Avery?

Agree with your assessment that Akron has much more talent than just Johnson. Still not a huge fan of Jackson and I'm not sure I'd consider him one of the better PGs in the conference. Points per game is the most overrated stat out there. Yes, he's averaging nearly 12 points a game but he takes nearly 11 shots a game. His 3.5 assists per game look much less impressive next to his 2.3 turnovers per game. He's 7th on their team in PER and 9th in true shooting %. I'm not saying he's a bad player, just think he gets way too much credit. If we could have one of their underclassmen guards he would probably be my third choice behind Robotham and Williams.

As for KSU at the point next season. I think I might be able to answer who Jalen Avery is. He's a young PG with upside that should've been redshirted this year but the roster didn't permit that. He was also our backup PG. Our starter is returning and I expect Avery to be better going forward. Of course we still have the wildcard in that we'll have a A-10 transfer eligible to play with a world of unrealized potential. Might not end up being anything, but the potential is exciting. So yes, Akron's PG situation is in good shape for next year but I think we're perfectly fine at that position as well.

(03-12-2016 07:50 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  I like Spicer a lot, and he was much better this year, but still was not so good that he cannot be replaced.

Ok, so how will we replace him? Long armed 6'9" post players with high verticals don't show up in the MAC every day. Unless two guys leave we won't be bringing in any more recruits so that tells me we have three guys that will be tasked with replacing him.

1) Marvin Jones. He's the only one that has the physical tools to be the type of defender Spicer was but he was inconsistent at best this year and while he has the length and leaping ability to protect guards when they get beat, he lacks the strength to be relied on as a post defender.

2) Raasean Davis. I like Davis a lot and I think he's going to be the guy to step up and take the starting job. Seems like a good kid and a hard worker and he's got the strength to bang in the post. However, he'll never come close to being the shot blocking presence Spicer was. I also worry that he'll foul too much to be relied on for heavy minutes. His 5.7 fouls per 40 minutes this year was far and away the highest on the team.

3) Danny Pippen. Obviously, we don't know what we'll be getting here but unless he hits a summer growth spurt he's no where near Spicer's size. From the film I've seen on him I'm expecting him to play a similar style game to Ortiz. Seems like he's got the build of Marquiez Lawrence as I've seen him listed at 175. Plus, he'll be a freshman so I don't think we can realistically expect him to step in and replace Spicer.

Obviously I don't think we'll replace him with just one guy. Probably going to have to be Davis and Jones with contributions from Pippen. But those guys are going to need to get better than what we saw this year or we'll be in trouble. Our perimeter defense will have to improve as well without Spicer plugging up the middle. Don't forget we're also losing our best perimeter defender in Cancer. To me, replacing Spicer is the biggest off season question.

(03-12-2016 07:50 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 12:55 AM)Lambert58 Wrote:  Dambrot is the dean of the MAC. Whether we like it or not, oPU is the team to beat. Take a look at the rosters of oPU, OU, UB and BG. We are playing catch up. They all have size and speed, plus most are coming back when we graduate most of our talent.

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Also, I don't much care for the rosters at Akron or OU. Both have 1-2 players and the rest just contributors. At OU, everyone sucked off Dartis, and I don't think he was any better than J.Walker - he just played the entire season and got more exposure...

not sure I understand your comment, are you saying freshman Jordan Dartis is the only good player returning next year for Ohio?

(03-12-2016 08:48 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 07:50 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 12:55 AM)Lambert58 Wrote:  Dambrot is the dean of the MAC. Whether we like it or not, oPU is the team to beat. Take a look at the rosters of oPU, OU, UB and BG. We are playing catch up. They all have size and speed, plus most are coming back when we graduate most of our talent.

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Also, I don't much care for the rosters at Akron or OU. Both have 1-2 players and the rest just contributors. At OU, everyone sucked off Dartis, and I don't think he was any better than J.Walker - he just played the entire season and got more exposure...

not sure I understand your comment, are you saying freshman Jordan Dartis is the only good player returning next year for Ohio?

No - I am saying people sucked him off as a freshman, and he's not all that special. He's just another guy - most teams have a guy like him.

And I will reply to some of those that replied to my post. Agreed with whomever said Antino Jackson is just an average PG. He isn't bad, just isn't a guy who is likely to change the game and beat you. Sure to whomever says Akron has some shooters, (Robothom and Williams) I am quite sure we shut them down and that team is simply a one dimensional team. Let me show you what happens to one dimensional teams when shots don't fall - 2016 CMU.

As for OU, they are fine. But other than Campbell, there was nobody on that roster I would have to have if I was starting a MAC expansion team and could draft a roster. They are meh. Feel free to disagree. The one thing I can say with certainty that most on here will agree with is LMFAO @ AKRON RIGHT NOW!!!!

(03-12-2016 09:39 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  And I will reply to some of those that replied to my post. Agreed with whomever said Antino Jackson is just an average PG. He isn't bad, just isn't a guy who is likely to change the game and beat you. Sure to whomever says Akron has some shooters, (Robothom and Williams) I am quite sure we shut them down and that team is simply a one dimensional team. Let me show you what happens to one dimensional teams when shots don't fall - 2016 CMU.

I don't think Akron can be considered a one dimensional team. They are one of the better 3 point shooting teams in the MAC and Johnson is one of the best low post scorer in the MAC.

(03-12-2016 05:27 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  To me, replacing Spicer is the biggest off season question.

Thought more about this. Improving the outside shooting might be as big or bigger of an off season concern. Watching Akron play, Johnson should be getting doubled as soon as he catches the ball but he doesn't. Hall gets double or tripled teamed every time he catches it. The difference is you can't leave Akron's shooters but you can leave Kent's. With that said, Edwin shot it pretty well. You can expect some natural progression from J. Walker and Avery. I hear Peterson is a shooter. I'm not expecting A. Walker, Andrews, Hurley or Y. Hall to be big 3 point shooters but hopefully capable. Then there's the wildcard Ridenour. Hopefully he got a lot of shots up in his year off.

(03-12-2016 09:33 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 08:48 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 07:50 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 12:55 AM)Lambert58 Wrote:  Dambrot is the dean of the MAC. Whether we like it or not, oPU is the team to beat. Take a look at the rosters of oPU, OU, UB and BG. We are playing catch up. They all have size and speed, plus most are coming back when we graduate most of our talent.

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Also, I don't much care for the rosters at Akron or OU. Both have 1-2 players and the rest just contributors. At OU, everyone sucked off Dartis, and I don't think he was any better than J.Walker - he just played the entire season and got more exposure...

not sure I understand your comment, are you saying freshman Jordan Dartis is the only good player returning next year for Ohio?

No - I am saying people sucked him off as a freshman, and he's not all that special. He's just another guy - most teams have a guy like him.

that's news to me, didn't know he was being hyped, or "sucked off" as you so eloquently put it.

as for the rest of Ohio's roster besides Campbell, which MAC PG would you take over Jaaron Simmons?

(03-13-2016 02:24 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 09:33 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 08:48 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 07:50 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 12:55 AM)Lambert58 Wrote:  Dambrot is the dean of the MAC. Whether we like it or not, oPU is the team to beat. Take a look at the rosters of oPU, OU, UB and BG. We are playing catch up. They all have size and speed, plus most are coming back when we graduate most of our talent.

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Also, I don't much care for the rosters at Akron or OU. Both have 1-2 players and the rest just contributors. At OU, everyone sucked off Dartis, and I don't think he was any better than J.Walker - he just played the entire season and got more exposure...

not sure I understand your comment, are you saying freshman Jordan Dartis is the only good player returning next year for Ohio?

No - I am saying people sucked him off as a freshman, and he's not all that special. He's just another guy - most teams have a guy like him.

that's news to me, didn't know he was being hyped, or "sucked off" as you so eloquently put it.

as for the rest of Ohio's roster besides Campbell, which MAC PG would you take over Jaaron Simmons?

Let's start with Wilder at WMU!!! ... and Bearden is no slouch

(03-13-2016 06:24 AM)cleveland Wrote:  

(03-13-2016 02:24 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 09:33 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 08:48 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 07:50 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  ...
Also, I don't much care for the rosters at Akron or OU. Both have 1-2 players and the rest just contributors. At OU, everyone sucked off Dartis, and I don't think he was any better than J.Walker - he just played the entire season and got more exposure...

not sure I understand your comment, are you saying freshman Jordan Dartis is the only good player returning next year for Ohio?

No - I am saying people sucked him off as a freshman, and he's not all that special. He's just another guy - most teams have a guy like him.

that's news to me, didn't know he was being hyped, or "sucked off" as you so eloquently put it.

as for the rest of Ohio's roster besides Campbell, which MAC PG would you take over Jaaron Simmons?

Let's start with Wilder at WMU!!! ... and Bearden is no slouch

I don't even have to answer now.

(03-13-2016 09:38 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  

(03-13-2016 06:24 AM)cleveland Wrote:  

(03-13-2016 02:24 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 09:33 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 08:48 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  not sure I understand your comment, are you saying freshman Jordan Dartis is the only good player returning next year for Ohio?

No - I am saying people sucked him off as a freshman, and he's not all that special. He's just another guy - most teams have a guy like him.

that's news to me, didn't know he was being hyped, or "sucked off" as you so eloquently put it.

as for the rest of Ohio's roster besides Campbell, which MAC PG would you take over Jaaron Simmons?

Let's start with Wilder at WMU!!! ... and Bearden is no slouch

I don't even have to answer now.

Simmons: 15.2pts, 7.8asts, 3.5reb, 0.8stl, .473 FG%, .423 3pt%, .754% FT%.
Bearden: 13.6pts, 4.2asts, 2.9reb, 1.6stl, .422 FG%, .250 3pt%, .771 FT%.
Wilder: 18.0pts, 3.1asts, 4.2reb, 1.6stl, .425 FG%, .391 3pt%, .790 FT%.

no thanks, I'll go with Simmons.

Surprise: Ohio fan chooses Ohio player.

(03-13-2016 11:41 AM)axeme Wrote:  Surprise: Ohio fan chooses Ohio player.

(03-13-2016 10:48 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(03-13-2016 09:38 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  

(03-13-2016 06:24 AM)cleveland Wrote:  

(03-13-2016 02:24 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 09:33 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  No - I am saying people sucked him off as a freshman, and he's not all that special. He's just another guy - most teams have a guy like him.

that's news to me, didn't know he was being hyped, or "sucked off" as you so eloquently put it.

as for the rest of Ohio's roster besides Campbell, which MAC PG would you take over Jaaron Simmons?

Let's start with Wilder at WMU!!! ... and Bearden is no slouch

I don't even have to answer now.

Simmons: 15.2pts, 7.8asts, 3.5reb, 0.8stl, .473 FG%, .423 3pt%, .754% FT%.
Bearden: 13.6pts, 4.2asts, 2.9reb, 1.6stl, .422 FG%, .250 3pt%, .771 FT%.
Wilder: 18.0pts, 3.1asts, 4.2reb, 1.6stl, .425 FG%, .391 3pt%, .790 FT%.

no thanks, I'll go with Simmons.

When you consider the question I think you have to take your PG and put him on another team... then ask if he gets the same results ... Don't know if Simmons gets the same No. of assists at WMU (no 3-point shooters) as he does at OU ... or if he gets as many open looks himself ... just as an example.

(03-13-2016 02:24 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  that's news to me, didn't know he was being hyped, or "sucked off" as you so eloquently put it.

I didn't realize he went on a recruiting visit to Louisville.

Before any of the complaining and crying begins --- we choose not to play in the post-season. Deon played the last 12 games on a torn meniscus and needs surgery, and it was decided we are just too banged up and need to regroup.

No problem with me. It makes sense. Once the women refused a tournament because they were whining about missing the NCAA's. That would upset me but in this case I have no problem.

I would more likely complain, although probably not cry, if this season continued in the Hardee's basketball invitational classic

I respect this decision.

I am ok with it. I hope the only reason was health. Would love to see 20 wins. Does it help with recruiting?