(03-09-2016 04:54 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 04:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 04:32 PM)TempleU22 Wrote:  I would expect KenPom to stick to his ratings. Question Bearcat, do you think Wichita St is the 11th best team in the country?

No, but I don't take any ratings system as gospel either (though I ignore RPI completely as only 25% has anything to do with on floor play and even that is a poor measure of it). I think Wichita is more likely a top 20-30 team. I think Temple is probably a bit undervalued by kenpom based on early season struggles, probably more of a 50-70 team than the 86th best team. Nothing is going to get everything exactly right, but generally I think his numbers are very good and I find them to be very predictive.

Kenpom is designed to predict outcomes. It is not designed to decide who has earned a spot in the tournament.

Who is using it as such? It's designed to tell you who the better teams are and yes as result to be able to predict games using what it cranks out. I cited it here for the purpose of predicting how the AAC tournament could go and honestly just posted it so people could view what the kenpom numbers are saying.

As for who "earned" a tournament spot.... It's certainly a measure the committee should look at but not the then end all be all.

(03-09-2016 05:13 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 04:54 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 04:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 04:32 PM)TempleU22 Wrote:  I would expect KenPom to stick to his ratings. Question Bearcat, do you think Wichita St is the 11th best team in the country?

No, but I don't take any ratings system as gospel either (though I ignore RPI completely as only 25% has anything to do with on floor play and even that is a poor measure of it). I think Wichita is more likely a top 20-30 team. I think Temple is probably a bit undervalued by kenpom based on early season struggles, probably more of a 50-70 team than the 86th best team. Nothing is going to get everything exactly right, but generally I think his numbers are very good and I find them to be very predictive.

Kenpom is designed to predict outcomes. It is not designed to decide who has earned a spot in the tournament.

Who is using it as such? It's designed to tell you who the better teams are and yes as result to be able to predict games using what it cranks out. I cited it here for the purpose of predicting how the AAC tournament could go and honestly just posted it so people could view what the kenpom numbers are saying.

As for who "earned" a tournament spot.... It's certainly a measure the committee should look at but not the then end all be all.

On kenpom.com: "The first thing you should know about this system is that it is designed to be purely predictive. If you’re looking for a system that rates teams on how 'good' their season has been, you’ve come to the wrong place."

(03-09-2016 05:32 PM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 05:13 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 04:54 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 04:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 04:32 PM)TempleU22 Wrote:  I would expect KenPom to stick to his ratings. Question Bearcat, do you think Wichita St is the 11th best team in the country?

No, but I don't take any ratings system as gospel either (though I ignore RPI completely as only 25% has anything to do with on floor play and even that is a poor measure of it). I think Wichita is more likely a top 20-30 team. I think Temple is probably a bit undervalued by kenpom based on early season struggles, probably more of a 50-70 team than the 86th best team. Nothing is going to get everything exactly right, but generally I think his numbers are very good and I find them to be very predictive.

Kenpom is designed to predict outcomes. It is not designed to decide who has earned a spot in the tournament.

Who is using it as such? It's designed to tell you who the better teams are and yes as result to be able to predict games using what it cranks out. I cited it here for the purpose of predicting how the AAC tournament could go and honestly just posted it so people could view what the kenpom numbers are saying.

As for who "earned" a tournament spot.... It's certainly a measure the committee should look at but not the then end all be all.

On kenpom.com: "The first thing you should know about this system is that it is designed to be purely predictive. If you’re looking for a system that rates teams on how 'good' their season has been, you’ve come to the wrong place."

Again you're not telling me anything I didn't know, but it's predictive because it's measuring how well a team plays and therefore should certainly be considered when evaluating teams. It's not the end all and teams can have better seasons than their kenpom numbers are saying (as I firmly believe Temple has, another example is Xavier who should be a 2 seed based on resume but is 10-15 in kenpom).

(03-09-2016 06:00 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 05:32 PM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 05:13 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 04:54 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 04:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  No, but I don't take any ratings system as gospel either (though I ignore RPI completely as only 25% has anything to do with on floor play and even that is a poor measure of it). I think Wichita is more likely a top 20-30 team. I think Temple is probably a bit undervalued by kenpom based on early season struggles, probably more of a 50-70 team than the 86th best team. Nothing is going to get everything exactly right, but generally I think his numbers are very good and I find them to be very predictive.

Kenpom is designed to predict outcomes. It is not designed to decide who has earned a spot in the tournament.

Who is using it as such? It's designed to tell you who the better teams are and yes as result to be able to predict games using what it cranks out. I cited it here for the purpose of predicting how the AAC tournament could go and honestly just posted it so people could view what the kenpom numbers are saying.

As for who "earned" a tournament spot.... It's certainly a measure the committee should look at but not the then end all be all.

On kenpom.com: "The first thing you should know about this system is that it is designed to be purely predictive. If you’re looking for a system that rates teams on how 'good' their season has been, you’ve come to the wrong place."

Again you're not telling me anything I didn't know, but it's predictive because it's measuring how well a team plays and therefore should certainly be considered when evaluating teams. It's not the end all and teams can have better seasons than their kenpom numbers are saying (as I firmly believe Temple has, another example is Xavier who should be a 2 seed based on resume but is 10-15 in kenpom).