Insane_Baboon
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RE: Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
(03-10-2016 01:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (03-10-2016 01:13 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote: (03-10-2016 11:37 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:33 AM)blunderbuss Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:25 AM)isidnirb Wrote: ^^^This^^^
ESPN is regretting the LHN every day.
ESPN might push for expansion though to revamp the LHN. It has a better chance at making $$$ as a conference wide network.
Exactly. Converting the LHN to the B12N turns a money loser into a money maker for ESPN. That makes all the difference in the world for ESPN.
Except it already is projected to be a money maker for ESPN beginning in 2016.
Also why would Texas agree to that? They're not even going to break even if they have to give up their $15M/yr for whatever a big12 network makes.
It has 9 million subscribers at 28 cents a piece (in-state), 2 cents a piece out of state. Converting it to the B12N would allow it to charge more (more content), expand the footprint (more subscribers), and would make MUCH more for ESPN. If ESPN is as worried about costs and revenue as you say, then they will be all over this. They would be making FAR more money with the exact same infrastructure.
You're missing the bigger obstacle. Why in the world would Texas have any incentive to agree to it?
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FrancisDrake
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RE: Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
If it were that cut and dry it would've happened by now no? So long as Texas wouldn't make less than they do now, and to a lesser extent OU and KU, what would've been in the impediment if the conference network was such an obvious a cash cow?
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Pony94
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Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
(03-10-2016 01:22 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote: (03-10-2016 01:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (03-10-2016 01:13 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote: (03-10-2016 11:37 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:33 AM)blunderbuss Wrote: ESPN might push for expansion though to revamp the LHN. It has a better chance at making $$$ as a conference wide network.
Exactly. Converting the LHN to the B12N turns a money loser into a money maker for ESPN. That makes all the difference in the world for ESPN.
Except it already is projected to be a money maker for ESPN beginning in 2016.
Also why would Texas agree to that? They're not even going to break even if they have to give up their $15M/yr for whatever a big12 network makes.
It has 9 million subscribers at 28 cents a piece (in-state), 2 cents a piece out of state. Converting it to the B12N would allow it to charge more (more content), expand the footprint (more subscribers), and would make MUCH more for ESPN. If ESPN is as worried about costs and revenue as you say, then they will be all over this. They would be making FAR more money with the exact same infrastructure.
You're missing the bigger obstacle. Why in the world would Texas have any incentive to agree to it?
Not to mention the LHN will be profitable this year but that doesn't fit his agenda
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Attackcoog
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RE: Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
(03-10-2016 01:22 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote: (03-10-2016 01:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (03-10-2016 01:13 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote: (03-10-2016 11:37 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:33 AM)blunderbuss Wrote: ESPN might push for expansion though to revamp the LHN. It has a better chance at making $$$ as a conference wide network.
Exactly. Converting the LHN to the B12N turns a money loser into a money maker for ESPN. That makes all the difference in the world for ESPN.
Except it already is projected to be a money maker for ESPN beginning in 2016.
Also why would Texas agree to that? They're not even going to break even if they have to give up their $15M/yr for whatever a big12 network makes.
It has 9 million subscribers at 28 cents a piece (in-state), 2 cents a piece out of state. Converting it to the B12N would allow it to charge more (more content), expand the footprint (more subscribers), and would make MUCH more for ESPN. If ESPN is as worried about costs and revenue as you say, then they will be all over this. They would be making FAR more money with the exact same infrastructure.
You're missing the bigger obstacle. Why in the world would Texas have any incentive to agree to it?
Because it makes them more money. To agree, the Big-12 will need to promise the first 15 million in B12N revenue goes to UT PLUS, UT will get a full league share of the profit. So, if it spins off 5 million each per Big12 team, that would mean Texas makes 20 million (15 million + their regular B12N 5 million dollar share). Even if the B12N makes nothing, Texas still gets it's 15 million. If the network is profitable, then UT makes more that 15 million. Its a no lose situation for UT. Not to mention it removes the biggest obstacle for a long term B12 future. Im not one that believes UT really wants to fly its athletes to California on a regular basis or have its football games start at 9:30 at night.
On the Big12 side, they have no choice. Its the only way they are getting a network. ESPN isn't going to start an B12N when the content package doesn't even include UT content.
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isidnirb
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RE: Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
(03-10-2016 10:42 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:23 AM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-10-2016 08:58 AM)EvilLore Wrote: (03-10-2016 08:42 AM)isidnirb Wrote: Huh? Did we all miss this great long tradition of Memphis vs Cinn?
Uh...yeah?
Missouri Valley
Metro
Great Midwest
Conference USA
American Athletic
In the last 45 years, you have been in the same conference for 13 years.
That's like Tulane talking it should stick with Bama with all their history.
38 years actually .
Common Years-
MVC - '68-'69
Metro - '75-'91
GMW - '91-'95
CUSA - '95-'05
AAC - '14-'16
Wiki says differently. If this is incorrect, I stand corrected.
Cinn Football:
Big East
(2005–2013)
Conference USA
(1996–2004)
Independent
(1970–1995)
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Knightbengal
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Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
(03-10-2016 08:42 AM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-10-2016 05:35 AM)EvilLore Wrote: (03-09-2016 08:11 PM)Knightbengal Wrote: Amazing in how just under a year cincy fans have gone from Memphis not sniffing their jockstraps to let's stay together forever.
We like to harass each other, but Memphis and Cincinnati have generally stuck together through the years like dysfunctional brothers.
I'm still convinced that when all the alignment garbage finally comes to an end (probably 20 years from now), Cincinnati, Memphis and Louisville will be back under one roof.
Huh? Did we all miss this great long tradition of Memphis vs Cinn?
They have bball history
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RE: Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
(03-10-2016 03:31 PM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:42 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:23 AM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-10-2016 08:58 AM)EvilLore Wrote: (03-10-2016 08:42 AM)isidnirb Wrote: Huh? Did we all miss this great long tradition of Memphis vs Cinn?
Uh...yeah?
Missouri Valley
Metro
Great Midwest
Conference USA
American Athletic
In the last 45 years, you have been in the same conference for 13 years.
That's like Tulane talking it should stick with Bama with all their history.
38 years actually .
Common Years-
MVC - '68-'69
Metro - '75-'91
GMW - '91-'95
CUSA - '95-'05
AAC - '14-'16
Wiki says differently. If this is incorrect, I stand corrected.
Cinn Football:
Big East
(2005–2013)
Conference USA
(1996–2004)
Independent
(1970–1995)
that's football
Hoops is different...you add in years in the Metro and Great Midwest and Mo. Valley
So depends if you are talking fb or hoops.
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Fat Harry
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RE: Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
Tulane should absolutely stick with Bama due to all of the history.
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RE: Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
(03-10-2016 09:34 PM)Fat Harry Wrote: Tulane should absolutely stick with Bama due to all of the history.
UAB or UALR?
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TripleA
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RE: Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
(03-10-2016 09:17 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: (03-10-2016 03:31 PM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:42 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:23 AM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-10-2016 08:58 AM)EvilLore Wrote: Uh...yeah?
Missouri Valley
Metro
Great Midwest
Conference USA
American Athletic
In the last 45 years, you have been in the same conference for 13 years.
That's like Tulane talking it should stick with Bama with all their history.
38 years actually .
Common Years-
MVC - '68-'69
Metro - '75-'91
GMW - '91-'95
CUSA - '95-'05
AAC - '14-'16
Wiki says differently. If this is incorrect, I stand corrected.
Cinn Football:
Big East
(2005–2013)
Conference USA
(1996–2004)
Independent
(1970–1995)
that's football
Hoops is different...you add in years in the Metro and Great Midwest and Mo. Valley
So depends if you are talking fb or hoops.
Yep, he's looking at football. We were together almost all the time in BB conferences, while both of us were indy in FB. But we still played FB quite a bit as independents. UC ranks 5th on our all time FB opponent list, behind only Ole Miss, Louisville, Miss. State and USM.
And 3rd in BB, behind Louisville and USM.
(This post was last modified: 03-10-2016 10:14 PM by TripleA.)
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RE: Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
(03-10-2016 03:31 PM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:42 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:23 AM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-10-2016 08:58 AM)EvilLore Wrote: (03-10-2016 08:42 AM)isidnirb Wrote: Huh? Did we all miss this great long tradition of Memphis vs Cinn?
Uh...yeah?
Missouri Valley
Metro
Great Midwest
Conference USA
American Athletic
In the last 45 years, you have been in the same conference for 13 years.
That's like Tulane talking it should stick with Bama with all their history.
38 years actually .
Common Years-
MVC - '68-'69
Metro - '75-'91
GMW - '91-'95
CUSA - '95-'05
AAC - '14-'16
Wiki says differently. If this is incorrect, I stand corrected.
Cinn Football:
Big East
(2005–2013)
Conference USA
(1996–2004)
Independent
(1970–1995)
Perhaps there is a valuable lesson here, huh?
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isidnirb
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RE: Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
(03-10-2016 10:12 PM)TripleA Wrote: (03-10-2016 09:17 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: (03-10-2016 03:31 PM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:42 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:23 AM)isidnirb Wrote: In the last 45 years, you have been in the same conference for 13 years.
That's like Tulane talking it should stick with Bama with all their history.
38 years actually .
Common Years-
MVC - '68-'69
Metro - '75-'91
GMW - '91-'95
CUSA - '95-'05
AAC - '14-'16
Wiki says differently. If this is incorrect, I stand corrected.
Cinn Football:
Big East
(2005–2013)
Conference USA
(1996–2004)
Independent
(1970–1995)
that's football
Hoops is different...you add in years in the Metro and Great Midwest and Mo. Valley
So depends if you are talking fb or hoops.
Yep, he's looking at football. We were together almost all the time in BB conferences, while both of us were indy in FB. But we still played FB quite a bit as independents. UC ranks 5th on our all time FB opponent list, behind only Ole Miss, Louisville, Miss. State and USM.
And 3rd in BB, behind Louisville and USM.
Hey I'm an ECU fan. We don't count Basketball. Only Football, Tailgating and Baseball. Yes you can tailgate at both, and well.
(This post was last modified: 03-11-2016 09:03 AM by isidnirb.)
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TripleA
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RE: Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
(03-11-2016 09:02 AM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:12 PM)TripleA Wrote: (03-10-2016 09:17 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: (03-10-2016 03:31 PM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:42 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote: 38 years actually .
Common Years-
MVC - '68-'69
Metro - '75-'91
GMW - '91-'95
CUSA - '95-'05
AAC - '14-'16
Wiki says differently. If this is incorrect, I stand corrected.
Cinn Football:
Big East
(2005–2013)
Conference USA
(1996–2004)
Independent
(1970–1995)
that's football
Hoops is different...you add in years in the Metro and Great Midwest and Mo. Valley
So depends if you are talking fb or hoops.
Yep, he's looking at football. We were together almost all the time in BB conferences, while both of us were indy in FB. But we still played FB quite a bit as independents. UC ranks 5th on our all time FB opponent list, behind only Ole Miss, Louisville, Miss. State and USM.
And 3rd in BB, behind Louisville and USM.
Hey I'm an ECU fan. We don't count Basketball. Only Football, Tailgating and Baseball. Yes you can tailgate at both, and well.
Dude, it's obvious you only looked at football affiliation, but you're still missing the point. We still played each other in FB as independents, for most of those years.
We have played 33 times in football, 5th most for any opponent in our history. So your argument still doesn't hold water.
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isidnirb
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RE: Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
(03-11-2016 09:09 AM)TripleA Wrote: (03-11-2016 09:02 AM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:12 PM)TripleA Wrote: (03-10-2016 09:17 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: (03-10-2016 03:31 PM)isidnirb Wrote: Wiki says differently. If this is incorrect, I stand corrected.
Cinn Football:
Big East
(2005–2013)
Conference USA
(1996–2004)
Independent
(1970–1995)
that's football
Hoops is different...you add in years in the Metro and Great Midwest and Mo. Valley
So depends if you are talking fb or hoops.
Yep, he's looking at football. We were together almost all the time in BB conferences, while both of us were indy in FB. But we still played FB quite a bit as independents. UC ranks 5th on our all time FB opponent list, behind only Ole Miss, Louisville, Miss. State and USM.
And 3rd in BB, behind Louisville and USM.
Hey I'm an ECU fan. We don't count Basketball. Only Football, Tailgating and Baseball. Yes you can tailgate at both, and well.
Dude, it's obvious you only looked at football affiliation, but you're still missing the point. We still played each other in FB as independents, for most of those years.
We have played 33 times in football, 5th most for any opponent in our history. So your argument still doesn't hold water.
Still really don't care. But I stand corrected in your long storied history with each other. I was wrong. Feel better?
And I think this is wayyyy more important to Memphis fans.
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TripleA
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RE: Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
(03-11-2016 11:28 AM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-11-2016 09:09 AM)TripleA Wrote: (03-11-2016 09:02 AM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:12 PM)TripleA Wrote: (03-10-2016 09:17 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: that's football
Hoops is different...you add in years in the Metro and Great Midwest and Mo. Valley
So depends if you are talking fb or hoops.
Yep, he's looking at football. We were together almost all the time in BB conferences, while both of us were indy in FB. But we still played FB quite a bit as independents. UC ranks 5th on our all time FB opponent list, behind only Ole Miss, Louisville, Miss. State and USM.
And 3rd in BB, behind Louisville and USM.
Hey I'm an ECU fan. We don't count Basketball. Only Football, Tailgating and Baseball. Yes you can tailgate at both, and well.
Dude, it's obvious you only looked at football affiliation, but you're still missing the point. We still played each other in FB as independents, for most of those years.
We have played 33 times in football, 5th most for any opponent in our history. So your argument still doesn't hold water.
Still really don't care. But I stand corrected in your long storied history with each other. I was wrong. Feel better?
And I think this is wayyyy more important to Memphis fans.
Who knows or cares? All I know is you stated an opinion as if it were a fact, and it could easily be disproven.
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isidnirb
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RE: Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
(03-11-2016 03:09 PM)TripleA Wrote: (03-11-2016 11:28 AM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-11-2016 09:09 AM)TripleA Wrote: (03-11-2016 09:02 AM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:12 PM)TripleA Wrote: Yep, he's looking at football. We were together almost all the time in BB conferences, while both of us were indy in FB. But we still played FB quite a bit as independents. UC ranks 5th on our all time FB opponent list, behind only Ole Miss, Louisville, Miss. State and USM.
And 3rd in BB, behind Louisville and USM.
Hey I'm an ECU fan. We don't count Basketball. Only Football, Tailgating and Baseball. Yes you can tailgate at both, and well.
Dude, it's obvious you only looked at football affiliation, but you're still missing the point. We still played each other in FB as independents, for most of those years.
We have played 33 times in football, 5th most for any opponent in our history. So your argument still doesn't hold water.
Still really don't care. But I stand corrected in your long storied history with each other. I was wrong. Feel better?
And I think this is wayyyy more important to Memphis fans.
Who knows or cares? All I know is you stated an opinion as if it were a fact, and it could easily be disproven.
And....I said I was wrong. Let it go. It is all going to be ok.
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shere khan
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Re: RE: Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
(03-10-2016 10:42 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:23 AM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-10-2016 08:58 AM)EvilLore Wrote: (03-10-2016 08:42 AM)isidnirb Wrote: Huh? Did we all miss this great long tradition of Memphis vs Cinn?
Uh...yeah?
Missouri Valley
Metro
Great Midwest
Conference USA
American Athletic
In the last 45 years, you have been in the same conference for 13 years.
That's like Tulane talking it should stick with Bama with all their history.
38 years actually .
Common Years-
MVC - '68-'69
Metro - '75-'91
GMW - '91-'95
CUSA - '95-'05
AAC - '14-'16
Weve been kicking cincys butt since 1966.
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shere khan
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Re: RE: Big 12 Must Do Something--(AAC Continues With 10?)--CBS Sports
(03-11-2016 11:28 AM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-11-2016 09:09 AM)TripleA Wrote: (03-11-2016 09:02 AM)isidnirb Wrote: (03-10-2016 10:12 PM)TripleA Wrote: (03-10-2016 09:17 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: that's football
Hoops is different...you add in years in the Metro and Great Midwest and Mo. Valley
So depends if you are talking fb or hoops.
Yep, he's looking at football. We were together almost all the time in BB conferences, while both of us were indy in FB. But we still played FB quite a bit as independents. UC ranks 5th on our all time FB opponent list, behind only Ole Miss, Louisville, Miss. State and USM.
And 3rd in BB, behind Louisville and USM.
Hey I'm an ECU fan. We don't count Basketball. Only Football, Tailgating and Baseball. Yes you can tailgate at both, and well.
Dude, it's obvious you only looked at football affiliation, but you're still missing the point. We still played each other in FB as independents, for most of those years.
We have played 33 times in football, 5th most for any opponent in our history. So your argument still doesn't hold water.
Still really don't care. But I stand corrected in your long storied history with each other. I was wrong. Feel better?
And I think this is wayyyy more important to Memphis fans.
Man i cant wait until we play cincy, its a big game
-said no one ever
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