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(03-05-2016 11:28 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  With all the talk of the big 12 expanding I read some where that this may cause pac 12 may look to expand to 14 teams. I also read that Houston would be their top target as it would allow them to get into Texas for recruiting, as well as hurt their competition i.e. the big 12 in their stake in the Houston market.

I also read that in terms of revenue generated for the conference and its teams like the Big 10 network etc. that the Pac-12 network may soon fall far behind and will need to find a way to keep up. So adding Houston would be a huge possible boost in the number of subscriptions and possible revenue for the conference.

Any thoughts on this guys?

Houston isn't going to the PAC 12. Coog fans used to hold onto a fantasy that they would be going to the SEC. The last few years this new PAC 12 fantasy has come up. When ECU has made it to the SEC, Houston will be PAC 12 ready. Translation: Never. I ll brace for the attack now. Cheers!
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(03-06-2016 01:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 11:28 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  With all the talk of the big 12 expanding I read some where that this may cause pac 12 may look to expand to 14 teams. I also read that Houston would be their top target as it would allow them to get into Texas for recruiting, as well as hurt their competition i.e. the big 12 in their stake in the Houston market.

I also read that in terms of revenue generated for the conference and its teams like the Big 10 network etc. that the Pac-12 network may soon fall far behind and will need to find a way to keep up. So adding Houston would be a huge possible boost in the number of subscriptions and possible revenue for the conference.

Any thoughts on this guys?

Houston isn't going to the PAC 12. Coog fans used to hold onto a fantasy that they would be going to the SEC. The last few years this new PAC 12 fantasy has come up. When ECU has made it to the SEC, Houston will be PAC 12 ready. Translation: Never. I ll brace for the attack now. Cheers!
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(03-06-2016 02:29 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 01:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 11:28 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  With all the talk of the big 12 expanding I read some where that this may cause pac 12 may look to expand to 14 teams. I also read that Houston would be their top target as it would allow them to get into Texas for recruiting, as well as hurt their competition i.e. the big 12 in their stake in the Houston market.

I also read that in terms of revenue generated for the conference and its teams like the Big 10 network etc. that the Pac-12 network may soon fall far behind and will need to find a way to keep up. So adding Houston would be a huge possible boost in the number of subscriptions and possible revenue for the conference.

Any thoughts on this guys?

Houston isn't going to the PAC 12. Coog fans used to hold onto a fantasy that they would be going to the SEC. The last few years this new PAC 12 fantasy has come up. When ECU has made it to the SEC, Houston will be PAC 12 ready. Translation: Never. I ll brace for the attack now. Cheers!
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Ok.
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(03-06-2016 08:53 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 02:42 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 02:27 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 12:09 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 11:56 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Yes they covet having games from Hofheinz Pavilion with 363 in attendance.

Last i checked football drives expansion not basketball. Any one of anything of actual substance to add to this topic?

Sure, you have no idea what you are talking about, and Houston's football attendance sucks as well.

Please name the last time basketball was a reason for expansion ill wait... Oh and UH averaged 30,000 fans for football so...

lol I wouldn't be bragging about this. 30k in football and you have a ranked team that won the Peach Bowl? LOL

Well considering we were terrible the past 2 years and were only averaging 10,000 fans, going to 30,000 and having 2 sold out games of 40,000 in one year its definitely something to brag about.
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(03-05-2016 11:30 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  If you read it on the Internet its true

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(03-06-2016 09:27 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 12:09 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Last i checked football drives expansion not basketball.

Check something else out. Here you go, why rush hour traffic hinders UH Basketball attendance?

Who cares?... and considering our basketball program has been completely irrelevant and terrible for the last 15 years, changing the culture and getting fan support again isn't going to happen overnight.
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(03-06-2016 01:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 11:28 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  With all the talk of the big 12 expanding I read some where that this may cause pac 12 may look to expand to 14 teams. I also read that Houston would be their top target as it would allow them to get into Texas for recruiting, as well as hurt their competition i.e. the big 12 in their stake in the Houston market.

I also read that in terms of revenue generated for the conference and its teams like the Big 10 network etc. that the Pac-12 network may soon fall far behind and will need to find a way to keep up. So adding Houston would be a huge possible boost in the number of subscriptions and possible revenue for the conference.

Any thoughts on this guys?

Houston isn't going to the PAC 12. Coog fans used to hold onto a fantasy that they would be going to the SEC. The last few years this new PAC 12 fantasy has come up. When ECU has made it to the SEC, Houston will be PAC 12 ready. Translation: Never. I ll brace for the attack now. Cheers!

Except outside of Houston fans there was never any real talk of Houston getting into the sec. True Houston fans knew the sec was always going to be a pipe dream anyway.

With the pac 12 its a different story, this time its the outsiders talking about Houston to the pac 12. While Houston fans are the ones not quite ready to believe there is even a chance.
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RE: Pac-12 expansion?
I could see the Pac 12 expanding before the Big 12 does. OK, OK St, Texas and TT could bring in more to the conference then they would take out. Unlike the Big 12 where the teams being considered would take out more than they would bring in.

If the Big 12 loses 2 or 4 major players then the other 6 - 8 teams will be in a free for all and either split up or try and bring others in or form a new conference.

This scenario indeed would be extremely interesting and change the landscape drastically once again.
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(03-06-2016 03:51 PM)Wavetime Wrote:  I could see the Pac 12 expanding before the Big 12 does. OK, OK St, Texas and TT could bring in more to the conference then they would take out. Unlike the Big 12 where the teams being considered would take out more than they would bring in.

If the Big 12 loses 2 or 4 major players then the other 6 - 8 teams will be in a free for all and either split up or try and bring others in or form a new conference.

This scenario indeed would be extremely interesting and change the landscape drastically once again.

Well in the scenario that I was proposing the big 12 would go back to 12 which would obviously mean that none of the current members leave. Also due to the grant of rights deal it would take moving a mountain for a power conference to poach another power conference. Which is why the pac 12 taking group of 5 team is the more likely scenario.

If your scenario were to come to fruition though I would say Houston would be a top target for the big 12. Either way I would be happy as a Houston fan.
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(03-06-2016 02:29 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 01:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 11:28 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  With all the talk of the big 12 expanding I read some where that this may cause pac 12 may look to expand to 14 teams. I also read that Houston would be their top target as it would allow them to get into Texas for recruiting, as well as hurt their competition i.e. the big 12 in their stake in the Houston market.

I also read that in terms of revenue generated for the conference and its teams like the Big 10 network etc. that the Pac-12 network may soon fall far behind and will need to find a way to keep up. So adding Houston would be a huge possible boost in the number of subscriptions and possible revenue for the conference.

Any thoughts on this guys?

Houston isn't going to the PAC 12. Coog fans used to hold onto a fantasy that they would be going to the SEC. The last few years this new PAC 12 fantasy has come up. When ECU has made it to the SEC, Houston will be PAC 12 ready. Translation: Never. I ll brace for the attack now. Cheers!
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(03-06-2016 02:52 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 01:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 11:28 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  With all the talk of the big 12 expanding I read some where that this may cause pac 12 may look to expand to 14 teams. I also read that Houston would be their top target as it would allow them to get into Texas for recruiting, as well as hurt their competition i.e. the big 12 in their stake in the Houston market.

I also read that in terms of revenue generated for the conference and its teams like the Big 10 network etc. that the Pac-12 network may soon fall far behind and will need to find a way to keep up. So adding Houston would be a huge possible boost in the number of subscriptions and possible revenue for the conference.

Any thoughts on this guys?

Houston isn't going to the PAC 12. Coog fans used to hold onto a fantasy that they would be going to the SEC. The last few years this new PAC 12 fantasy has come up. When ECU has made it to the SEC, Houston will be PAC 12 ready. Translation: Never. I ll brace for the attack now. Cheers!

Except outside of Houston fans there was never any real talk of Houston getting into the sec. True Houston fans knew the sec was always going to be a pipe dream anyway.

With the pac 12 its a different story, this time its the outsiders talking about Houston to the pac 12. While Houston fans are the ones not quite ready to believe there is even a chance.
There are certainly Coog fans who are beyond believing that Houston has a chance at the PAC. They beleive it will happen. When the the most glaring and most obvious reason is brought up on why it's impossible, the default Houston fan reply has become "But UCLA is in the PAC". I suppose ECU fans can use that one too...But SOUTHERN Cal is in the PAC"...cheers!
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The PAC 12 has been monitoring SMU

http://www.smu.edu.sg/
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(03-06-2016 07:45 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 02:52 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 01:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 11:28 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  With all the talk of the big 12 expanding I read some where that this may cause pac 12 may look to expand to 14 teams. I also read that Houston would be their top target as it would allow them to get into Texas for recruiting, as well as hurt their competition i.e. the big 12 in their stake in the Houston market.

I also read that in terms of revenue generated for the conference and its teams like the Big 10 network etc. that the Pac-12 network may soon fall far behind and will need to find a way to keep up. So adding Houston would be a huge possible boost in the number of subscriptions and possible revenue for the conference.

Any thoughts on this guys?

Houston isn't going to the PAC 12. Coog fans used to hold onto a fantasy that they would be going to the SEC. The last few years this new PAC 12 fantasy has come up. When ECU has made it to the SEC, Houston will be PAC 12 ready. Translation: Never. I ll brace for the attack now. Cheers!

Except outside of Houston fans there was never any real talk of Houston getting into the sec. True Houston fans knew the sec was always going to be a pipe dream anyway.

With the pac 12 its a different story, this time its the outsiders talking about Houston to the pac 12. While Houston fans are the ones not quite ready to believe there is even a chance.
There are certainly Coog fans who are beyond believing that Houston has a chance at the PAC. They beleive it will happen. When the the most glaring and most obvious reason is brought up on why it's impossible, the default Houston fan reply has become "But UCLA is in the PAC". I suppose ECU fans can use that one too...But SOUTHERN Cal is in the PAC"...cheers!

LOL... Relax Francis, Houston isn't going anywhere yet. My
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(03-06-2016 07:45 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 02:52 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 01:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 11:28 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  With all the talk of the big 12 expanding I read some where that this may cause pac 12 may look to expand to 14 teams. I also read that Houston would be their top target as it would allow them to get into Texas for recruiting, as well as hurt their competition i.e. the big 12 in their stake in the Houston market.

I also read that in terms of revenue generated for the conference and its teams like the Big 10 network etc. that the Pac-12 network may soon fall far behind and will need to find a way to keep up. So adding Houston would be a huge possible boost in the number of subscriptions and possible revenue for the conference.

Any thoughts on this guys?

Houston isn't going to the PAC 12. Coog fans used to hold onto a fantasy that they would be going to the SEC. The last few years this new PAC 12 fantasy has come up. When ECU has made it to the SEC, Houston will be PAC 12 ready. Translation: Never. I ll brace for the attack now. Cheers!

Except outside of Houston fans there was never any real talk of Houston getting into the sec. True Houston fans knew the sec was always going to be a pipe dream anyway.

With the pac 12 its a different story, this time its the outsiders talking about Houston to the pac 12. While Houston fans are the ones not quite ready to believe there is even a chance.
There are certainly Coog fans who are beyond believing that Houston has a chance at the PAC. They beleive it will happen. When the the most glaring and most obvious reason is brought up on why it's impossible, the default Houston fan reply has become "But UCLA is in the PAC". I suppose ECU fans can use that one too...But SOUTHERN Cal is in the PAC"...cheers!

Umm what are you talking about.....What does UCLA haveto do with Houston getting in the pac 12? I have never heard Houston fans use UCLA as a reason that Houston will get in the Pac 12. Also what is the glaring reason it's impossible when obviously it is possible since legitimate sports websites are talking about it?
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(03-06-2016 07:48 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  The PAC 12 has been monitoring SMU

http://www.smu.edu.sg/

Ya I have read in other places that if Houston got the invite that SMU would most likely be the second team invited for geographic reasons. I would however recommend you read the links you post next time. The one you posted takes you to the Singapore management university website no article or anything lol.
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(03-06-2016 07:48 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  The PAC 12 has been monitoring SMU

http://www.smu.edu.sg/

I found the "Gillette’s “Shave India Movement”: Razor Sharp against the Stubble" article extremely valuable. :)
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My stance has been all along that the B12 is NOT the best spot for the University of Houston. I've gone into my reasons in the past.

Sure, if it is the only invite we accept and we celebrate our regional rivalries but the reasons why we are not viewed as valuable for the Big 12 are exactly the opposite reasons on why we would be valuable to the other Power Conferences. We offer a large public school, in one of the largest markets in the country, and offer their conference access to one one of the most important states in the United States of America.

After the 2011 Big 12 snub (TCU + WVU), our leaders aggressively contacted and met with other Power Conferences to discuss where we currently stand and what we need to accomplish in the next 10 years to be a viable expansion candidate. Some of the items on the list were already in place but YES our leaders felt that the most realistic option might be the PAC. The PAC gave us a specific list, or a road map, and we all feel we are way AHEAD of schedule.



Here's where we stand in 2016 with the PAC's list of requested items handed to us in 2011:



Access to Texas: True the PAC went after UT but that deal fell through so we at least know they covet the state of Texas. If UT is unwillingly to reach a deal they could add UH to enter the Texas market and the increased carriage fees. CHECK

Large Public NON RELIGIOUS School: The University of Houston would be the Texas counter to UCLA. They both have around 43,000 students, are liberal and diverse research institutions, and sit in the#2 and #4 most populated cities in the United States of America. Throw in the history between UH and UCLA (1968 Game of the Century) and you could see how there could be a connection between these West and East bookends. I won't go into all the academic improvements but they also play into the PAC's requests. CHECK

I've also wondered if they would make a strategic play for a UH +Rice addition. Rice because it would add a premiere academic institution and it would give them TWICE the exposure in the Houston market but that's not part of the items UH was asked to accomplish.

New Football Stadium: As you all know we opened a brand new on campus football stadium two seasons ago. Phase one of the stadium seats about 42,000+ (with SRO) but phase 2 and 3 each will add another 10,000 or so seats. So, after full expansion UH will have about 65,000 seats on campus. Not only is this comparable to other PAC stadiums but the current configuration beats many of them. CHECK

Improved Basketball Facilities:
UH just opened up a brand new Basketball Practice Facility complete with lockers and a player lounge areas. This facility is to serve both the mens and womens team. CHECK

The UH Board of Regents also just recently approved a $65 million Hofheinz renovation project. It is currently in the Construction Document Phase and a timeline has been established for construction. IN PROGRESS

Indooor Football Facility: I believe this project is in the design development/bidding phase. It is such a high priority that it was written into Coach Herman's contract. IN PROGRESS

Baseball Field House: Renderings and financing are in place for this project. IN PROGRESS

Success on the Field/Court:

Football- The team is coming off a 13 win season (2nd in the last 5 years) including an impressive win over Florida State in a New Years Six Bowl. Not many other G5 hopefuls can boast that kind of success. More importantly, close to 25,000 University of Houston supporters traveled to Atlanta for the game. It was a sell out and it drew huge TV ratings in Houston. These items are of great importance to conferences as football is the biggest force. CHECK

Oh, and for those not paying attention, we've sold 100 NEW season tickets a day for over 30 days running. 25,000 seasons tickets sold BEFORE the first game is now a very realistic goal! The PAC stated they wanted to see us reach 20,000 season tickets sold........ we should meet their request BEFORE Summer.

Baseball- The University of Houston Baseball team just HOSTED a regional last year and is expected to make it to the post season AGAIN this year. CHECK

Basketball- Coach Herman gets most of the press, but the Kelvin Sampson hire was just as noteworthy and instrumental in UH's bid to land a Power Conference invite. The Cougar basketball team finished the regular season 22-8 and are the #2 seed going into the AAC tournament. There is a realistic possibility they could land a spot in the NCAA tournament...way ahead of Sampson's rebuilding plan (they only won 13 games last year). Again this would put the Cougars in another high profile position.

Name another G5 candidate that won a New Year's Six Bowl game, hosted a Regional in Baseball, and played in the NCAA tournament in basketball? Throw in the large public school element, large TV market element, and access tot he state of Texas and you start to understand why we've had SERIOUS conversations with many Power Conferences about potential membership.

All I'm saying is that no one should be surprised if another Power 5 Conference decides to pull the trigger on the University of Houston. We've been in discussions for over 5 years and are doing EXACTLY what they are asking of us. Also, if you look at the other G5 programs, the University of Houston has many advantages. They may not translate to a Big 12 invite but that doesn't mean others aren't running the numbers.
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(03-05-2016 11:28 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  With all the talk of the big 12 expanding I read some where that this may cause pac 12 may look to expand to 14 teams. I also read that Houston would be their top target as it would allow them to get into Texas for recruiting, as well as hurt their competition i.e. the big 12 in their stake in the Houston market.

I also read that in terms of revenue generated for the conference and its teams like the Big 10 network etc. that the Pac-12 network may soon fall far behind and will need to find a way to keep up. So adding Houston would be a huge possible boost in the number of subscriptions and possible revenue for the conference.

Any thoughts on this guys?

Please post 1 credible article by a reputable source that says Houston is under consideration for the Pac 12 and/or is thier "top target".
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(03-06-2016 09:35 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 07:48 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  The PAC 12 has been monitoring SMU

http://www.smu.edu.sg/

I found the "Gillette’s “Shave India Movement”: Razor Sharp against the Stubble" article extremely valuable. :)

Ya who knew those Indians were so hairy lamo!
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(03-06-2016 09:58 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 11:28 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  With all the talk of the big 12 expanding I read some where that this may cause pac 12 may look to expand to 14 teams. I also read that Houston would be their top target as it would allow them to get into Texas for recruiting, as well as hurt their competition i.e. the big 12 in their stake in the Houston market.

I also read that in terms of revenue generated for the conference and its teams like the Big 10 network etc. that the Pac-12 network may soon fall far behind and will need to find a way to keep up. So adding Houston would be a huge possible boost in the number of subscriptions and possible revenue for the conference.

Any thoughts on this guys?

Please post 1 credible article by a reputable source that says Houston is under consideration for the Pac 12 and/or is thier "top target".

Well there is no "one" article stating that. It's more like multiple articles mentioning Houston as a candidate and then other articles citing those articles and saying they think Houston would be the pac-12's top target. They were also talking about it on Houston's sports radio 610 about how Houston would be a top target for the pac-12 if they where to expand. So there really is no "one" article to post. If your interested in the topic I would recommend doing some research yourself. But here is one article mentioning Houston and the Pac-12 http://www.houstonpress.com/news/big-xii...in-8165919 ..... this in't an article but others agree Houston would be a candidate http://www.scout.com/college/oregon-stat...by-2-teams
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