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RE: Reviving WAC football
In this scenario Jax St's closest opponent would be west florida and the furthermost would be new mexico state. The distance all sports would have to travel would be very costly for every team involved. Thus the reason the Wac East idea fell apart. If it were football only it would be possible however flying 16 other sports all over the country is very prohibitive.
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RE: Reviving WAC football
(03-06-2016 09:57 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  In this scenario Jax St's closest opponent would be west florida and the furthermost would be new mexico state. The distance all sports would have to travel would be very costly for every team involved. Thus the reason the Wac East idea fell apart. If it were football only it would be possible however flying 16 other sports all over the country is very prohibitive.
That's comparable to the Sun Belt footprint.
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(03-05-2016 12:43 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  OK, how about Wichita St. They've talked of reviving football.

So now you have Idaho, NMSU, UTRGV, Wichita St., and maybe a desperate eastern school like Liberty. Now you have 5 and only need 1 or 2 more. Maybe you could even convince another current WAC program to add football, and bang, there you go. A football conference.

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RE: Reviving WAC football
(03-06-2016 09:57 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  In this scenario Jax St's closest opponent would be west florida and the furthermost would be new mexico state. The distance all sports would have to travel would be very costly for every team involved. Thus the reason the Wac East idea fell apart. If it were football only it would be possible however flying 16 other sports all over the country is very prohibitive.


East:
Jacksonville State
West Florida
North Alabama
Liberty
Stony Brook
Youngstown State/U. Mass./James Madison/Delaware

West:
Idaho
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
New Mexico State
Lamar
UTRGV

That looks a lot better.

Or have
West:
Idaho
Portland State
Cal-Davis
Sacramento State
Cal=Poly
Eastern Washington/Grand Canyon/Utah Valley/Cal-San Diego/Azusa Pacific

Central:
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
New Mexico State
Lamar
UTRGV
Missouri State/Wichita State/Northern Iowa/Central Arkansas/McNeese State/West Texas A&M/

East as the same above. The teams in this conference except for Idaho and New Mexico State won't get bowl invites in the first few years except for at large bids. North Dakota State might be more attractive for a bowl bid than a Georgia State by tv viewership.

Later, the central and eastern division could split off and form another all sports conferences in the FBS. Western WAC could add the schools that adds football and some more Big Sky schools.
Central could add more schools.
Eastern division have the most schools that want to join the FBS level, but are stuck.
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RE: Reviving WAC football
Jax St
Eku
Utc ------ already said no once
Liberty
Lamar
shsu
mcneese -------- may not be able to afford it
Bama St -------- may not be able to afford it
youngstown st.
U Del
Jmu -------- already turned down the sbc

perhaps you can get one division out of those schools

but ndsu and sdsu arent wanting to be in a conference with
southwestern schools.
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RE: Reviving WAC football
(03-06-2016 07:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 09:57 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  In this scenario Jax St's closest opponent would be west florida and the furthermost would be new mexico state. The distance all sports would have to travel would be very costly for every team involved. Thus the reason the Wac East idea fell apart. If it were football only it would be possible however flying 16 other sports all over the country is very prohibitive.


East:
Jacksonville State
West Florida
North Alabama
Liberty
Stony Brook
Youngstown State/U. Mass./James Madison/Delaware

West:
Idaho
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
New Mexico State
Lamar
UTRGV

That looks a lot better.

Or have
West:
Idaho
Portland State
Cal-Davis
Sacramento State
Cal=Poly
Eastern Washington/Grand Canyon/Utah Valley/Cal-San Diego/Azusa Pacific

Central:
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
New Mexico State
Lamar
UTRGV
Missouri State/Wichita State/Northern Iowa/Central Arkansas/McNeese State/West Texas A&M/

East as the same above. The teams in this conference except for Idaho and New Mexico State won't get bowl invites in the first few years except for at large bids. North Dakota State might be more attractive for a bowl bid than a Georgia State by tv viewership.

Later, the central and eastern division could split off and form another all sports conferences in the FBS. Western WAC could add the schools that adds football and some more Big Sky schools.
Central could add more schools.
Eastern division have the most schools that want to join the FBS level, but are stuck.

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http://m.amarillo.com/news/local-news/20...#gsc.tab=0


Another school to keep an eye out.

West Texas A&M is looking to build a new on campus stadium. It would be 12,000 seat, but they could expand it up to 22,000 seats. Building a brand new stadium like that seems they are more serious than just being in D2 anymore. Could they become a future D1 school? They be coming back up after dropping down from 1-A MVC. Could they and Wichita State be part of a conference?
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RE: Reviving WAC football
Reposting from the "Reconstitute a WAC" thread:

I think the Sun Belt's decision to part ways with Idaho and NMSU will have impacts on the WAC, but there's virtually no chance of it triggering the WAC's reconstitution as an FBS conference.

After the WAC lost most of its football members in 2012 and 2013, NCAA rules gave the WAC a two-year grace period to get back up to having the minimum eight FBS schools as full members to keep its status as an FBS conference. The two years went by, it didn't happen, and the WAC is no longer eligible for FBS status without an NCAA rules waiver. The current FBS conferences have no motivation to support such a waiver, so it's doubtful the NCAA would ever grant one. This would be true even if Idaho were willing to rejoin NMSU in the WAC, and the conference somehow succeeded in recruiting six of the eight top-funded FCS athletic programs west of the Mississippi -- UC Davis, North Dakota, North Dakota State, Sac State, Cal Poly, Montana, Northern Arizona, and Montana State -- to move up to FBS and join the WAC also.

However it is possible that, with NMSU's participation and leadership, the WAC could sponsor a new southwestern FCS football conference. This would require a few unlikely but not implausible things to happen.

First, Idaho would have to drop down to FCS and join the Big Sky, pushing its football membership to a bloated 14. Second, western and southern members of the Big Sky would have to decide they'd had enough of long road trips to icy Idaho, Montana and North Dakota. And third, NMSU would also have to drop down to FCS, but instead of seeking membership in the Big Sky or Southland, convince the WAC to sponsor FCS football and recruit disaffected members from the Big Sky.

For the record, I think that NMSU would be better off staying at the FBS level as an independent than dropping down. But if the school administration opts for FCS, it would be crazy for NMSU to join a supersized Big Sky or Southland conference and be stuck playing schools like Idaho State and Northern Colorado or Houston Baptist and Nicholls State. A strong new regional FCS conference affiliated with the WAC would be a much better home for NMSU.

The target schools to recruit from the Big Sky would be the four western and southern Big Sky outliers on the top-funded list above, i.e. UC Davis, Sac State, Cal Poly, and Northern Arizona, plus Portland State which had the best overall record among Big Sky schools in 2015 (including wins over FBS Washington State and North Texas) and is rebuilding its fan base. Having those five plus NMSU would qualify the new conference for an FCS playoff auto-bid. In the longer run UTRGV's start-up football program could be added to give the conference a Texas presence.

The side benefit of this strategy is that it would enable the WAC to replace Chicago State and UMKC with Portland State and Northern Arizona for non-football sports (presumably UC Davis and Cal Poly would leave their non-football sports in the Big West, and Sac State would put its non-football sports there as well). This would return the WAC to not only being a football-sponsoring conference but also a true western conference with reasonable travel.

In the new age of Division I athletics, if you're not a Power 5 conference you want to stay regional to control costs and keep your membership small enough to give everyone a good shot at the post-season. NMSU is a big dog in the WAC and has an opportunity to leverage its influence to re-make the WAC to fit that model and improve its own circumstances. I think that's a better option for the Aggies than becoming the 11th or 12th or 15th football member of an existing FCS conference where NMSU will have the same outlier stigma it had in the Sun Belt.
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(03-08-2016 10:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://m.amarillo.com/news/local-news/20...#gsc.tab=0


Another school to keep an eye out.

West Texas A&M is looking to build a new on campus stadium. It would be 12,000 seat, but they could expand it up to 22,000 seats. Building a brand new stadium like that seems they are more serious than just being in D2 anymore. Could they become a future D1 school? They be coming back up after dropping down from 1-A MVC. Could they and Wichita State be part of a conference?

This sounds more like to get a stadium that is accessible to students. The current stadium holds 19k with additional seating on the ground berms so building a new stadium isn't a prelude to a D1 move. There are no D1 conferences for WTAMU to move to, except the WAC only if the WAC has FCS football.
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(03-08-2016 12:03 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(03-08-2016 10:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://m.amarillo.com/news/local-news/20...#gsc.tab=0


Another school to keep an eye out.

West Texas A&M is looking to build a new on campus stadium. It would be 12,000 seat, but they could expand it up to 22,000 seats. Building a brand new stadium like that seems they are more serious than just being in D2 anymore. Could they become a future D1 school? They be coming back up after dropping down from 1-A MVC. Could they and Wichita State be part of a conference?

This sounds more like to get a stadium that is accessible to students. The current stadium holds 19k with additional seating on the ground berms so building a new stadium isn't a prelude to a D1 move. There are no D1 conferences for WTAMU to move to, except the WAC only if the WAC has FCS football.


With several eastern Lonestar Conference schools exploring D1 like Texas A&M- Commerce and Tarlaton State? West Texas A&M could be exploring a move as well just in case. They could be a second Texas school in the state for the WAC. I would look at Colorado State-Pueblo to the WAC for all sports including football.

East:
UTRGV
West Texas A&M
New Mexico State
Colorado State-Pueblo
Utah Valley
Southern Utah
Central Oklahoma/SW Oklahoma State/Angelo State
Metro State

West:
Grand Canyon U.
Northern Arizona
Sacramento State
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Bakersfield State
Portland State
Seattle

It would be a hybrid with 6 non-football and 10 football.
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(03-08-2016 03:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(03-08-2016 12:03 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(03-08-2016 10:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://m.amarillo.com/news/local-news/20...#gsc.tab=0


Another school to keep an eye out.

West Texas A&M is looking to build a new on campus stadium. It would be 12,000 seat, but they could expand it up to 22,000 seats. Building a brand new stadium like that seems they are more serious than just being in D2 anymore. Could they become a future D1 school? They be coming back up after dropping down from 1-A MVC. Could they and Wichita State be part of a conference?

This sounds more like to get a stadium that is accessible to students. The current stadium holds 19k with additional seating on the ground berms so building a new stadium isn't a prelude to a D1 move. There are no D1 conferences for WTAMU to move to, except the WAC only if the WAC has FCS football.


With several eastern Lonestar Conference schools exploring D1 like Texas A&M- Commerce and Tarlaton State? West Texas A&M could be exploring a move as well just in case. They could be a second Texas school in the state for the WAC. I would look at Colorado State-Pueblo to the WAC for all sports including football.

East:
UTRGV
West Texas A&M
New Mexico State
Colorado State-Pueblo
Utah Valley
Southern Utah
Central Oklahoma/SW Oklahoma State/Angelo State
Metro State

West:
Grand Canyon U.
Northern Arizona
Sacramento State
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Bakersfield State
Portland State
Seattle

It would be a hybrid with 6 non-football and 10 football.

New Mexico State would join the Southland/Missouri Valley or drop football and join the Big West before it signed on to that.
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New Mexico State and West Texas A&M do have a history together before. They were both in the Border Conference and also in MVC at the same time. I think New Mexico State might enjoy renewing that rivalry in football.
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(03-08-2016 09:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  New Mexico State and West Texas A&M do have a history together before. They were both in the Border Conference and also in MVC at the same time. I think New Mexico State might enjoy renewing that rivalry in football.

Maybe, but there's no way they're going to be happy in a division with four D-2 callups.
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