Or is that just a very weak rumor?? If TCU or any other school hired Josh what happens to the the 10.6 million?

I think one source, possibly Calkins, said it would not help us with the $10 Mil.
None of the salary from his new job would count toward the $10 Mil.
Sorry to be the bearer of HORRIBLE news. The more we learn about the contract , the worse it seems.

(03-05-2016 11:45 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  I think one source, possibly Calkins, said it would not help us with the $10 Mil.
None of the salary from his new job would count toward the $10 Mil.
Sorry to be the bearer of HORRIBLE news. The more we learn about the contract , the worse it seems.

Are you serious? This isn't that hard.

If Josh voluntarily leaves for another job, the contract voids. Like what happens every time a coach moves to another job. All along this has been our best-case scenario.

We don't pay coach Fuente his contract any more because he left to coach Va Tech. And Arizona State doesn't pay Coach Norvell his $900K OC salary anymore because he became our coach.

(03-05-2016 11:45 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  I think one source, possibly Calkins, said it would not help us with the $10 Mil.
None of the salary from his new job would count toward the $10 Mil.
Sorry to be the bearer of HORRIBLE news. The more we learn about the contract , the worse it seems.

I see. Thank you. Here's another question,, what if he resigned, then took another job? I hate playing the what if game but since I don't understand this grossly rediculous contract I have to ask questions.

(03-05-2016 11:54 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 11:45 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  I think one source, possibly Calkins, said it would not help us with the $10 Mil.
None of the salary from his new job would count toward the $10 Mil.
Sorry to be the bearer of HORRIBLE news. The more we learn about the contract , the worse it seems.

Are you serious? This isn't that hard.

If Josh voluntarily leaves for another job, the contract voids. Like what happens every time a coach moves to another job. All along this has been our best-case scenario.

We don't pay coach Fuente his contract any more because he left to coach Va Tech. And Arizona State doesn't pay Coach Norvell his $900K OC salary anymore because he became our coach.

It seems you answered my question.

(03-05-2016 11:45 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  I think one source, possibly Calkins, said it would not help us with the $10 Mil.
None of the salary from his new job would count toward the $10 Mil.
Sorry to be the bearer of HORRIBLE news. The more we learn about the contract , the worse it seems.

Pretty sure there is a state employee law the requires compensation to be adjusted to account for his new salary.

I think quite a few schools would highly consider Josh. I know most tiger fans around here would scoff at the ideal but Josh is some University Presidents dream candidate

- Runs a clean program in many eyes
- Academics and all of that APR ranking stuff
- wins just enough (of course not to the level that us Tiger fans would expect)
- Good Recruiting ( of course before the past 2 seasons)

And the other point is purely subjective and most of us would strongly disagree but I could see some President or AD suggest or think:

- Maybe memphis is a bad fit for Josh and he needs a fresh start here


I could totally see that.

(03-05-2016 12:01 PM)Maybe_YesSir Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 11:54 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 11:45 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  I think one source, possibly Calkins, said it would not help us with the $10 Mil.
None of the salary from his new job would count toward the $10 Mil.
Sorry to be the bearer of HORRIBLE news. The more we learn about the contract , the worse it seems.

Are you serious? This isn't that hard.

If Josh voluntarily leaves for another job, the contract voids. Like what happens every time a coach moves to another job. All along this has been our best-case scenario.

We don't pay coach Fuente his contract any more because he left to coach Va Tech. And Arizona State doesn't pay Coach Norvell his $900K OC salary anymore because he became our coach.

It seems you answered my question.

All above correct, but let's be real. No rational human would leave a guaranteed $2.65M a year job for one that would likely offe significantly less w/o some form of settlement.

Even if TCU is interested, It is in CJP's best interest to a least put up the front of "I'm not leaving unless you fire me." The game of chicken begins...

(03-05-2016 12:03 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  I think quite a few schools would highly consider Josh. I know most tiger fans around here would scoff at the ideal but Josh is some University Presidents dream candidate

- Runs a clean program in many eyes
- Academics and all of that APR ranking stuff
- wins just enough (of course not to the level that us Tiger fans would expect)
- Good Recruiting ( of course before the past 2 seasons)

And the other point is purely subjective and most of us would strongly disagree but I could see some President or AD suggest or think:

- Maybe memphis is a bad fit for Josh and he needs a fresh start here


I could totally see that.

I see your point and if it's the only way to get him out, then I'm all for it. I'm confused about the part where if he resigned and took another job part, calkins said we still owe him the money. It just seems so bazar to me.

(03-05-2016 12:05 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 12:01 PM)Maybe_YesSir Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 11:54 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 11:45 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  I think one source, possibly Calkins, said it would not help us with the $10 Mil.
None of the salary from his new job would count toward the $10 Mil.
Sorry to be the bearer of HORRIBLE news. The more we learn about the contract , the worse it seems.

Are you serious? This isn't that hard.

If Josh voluntarily leaves for another job, the contract voids. Like what happens every time a coach moves to another job. All along this has been our best-case scenario.

We don't pay coach Fuente his contract any more because he left to coach Va Tech. And Arizona State doesn't pay Coach Norvell his $900K OC salary anymore because he became our coach.

It seems you answered my question.

All above correct, but let's be real. No rational human would leave a guaranteed $2.65M a year job for one that would likely offe significantly less w/o some form of settlement.

Even if TCU is interested, It is in CJP's best interest to a least put up the front of "I'm not leaving unless you fire me." The game of chicken begins...

Ok I get it. Doesn't he make himself look bad doing that though? It seems to me he would be trying hard to get out of here to get the pressure and unpleasantness off his back to have a fresh start. A new five year contract means he can coach stress free.

(03-05-2016 12:05 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 12:01 PM)Maybe_YesSir Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 11:54 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 11:45 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  I think one source, possibly Calkins, said it would not help us with the $10 Mil.
None of the salary from his new job would count toward the $10 Mil.
Sorry to be the bearer of HORRIBLE news. The more we learn about the contract , the worse it seems.

Are you serious? This isn't that hard.

If Josh voluntarily leaves for another job, the contract voids. Like what happens every time a coach moves to another job. All along this has been our best-case scenario.

We don't pay coach Fuente his contract any more because he left to coach Va Tech. And Arizona State doesn't pay Coach Norvell his $900K OC salary anymore because he became our coach.

It seems you answered my question.

All above correct, but let's be real. No rational human would leave a guaranteed $2.65M a year job for one that would likely offe significantly less w/o some form of settlement.

Even if TCU is interested, It is in CJP's best interest to a least put up the front of "I'm not leaving unless you fire me." The game of chicken begins...

That is when Memphis could negotiate to simply make up the difference. He leaves voluntarily to a job that is going to pay $1 - $1.5 mil and Memphis will make up the rest since that would be in the best interest of both parties. Memphis gets rid of JP at a discount and JP gets to leave on his own terms and still get paid his full salary...

(03-05-2016 12:13 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 12:05 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 12:01 PM)Maybe_YesSir Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 11:54 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 11:45 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  I think one source, possibly Calkins, said it would not help us with the $10 Mil.
None of the salary from his new job would count toward the $10 Mil.
Sorry to be the bearer of HORRIBLE news. The more we learn about the contract , the worse it seems.

Are you serious? This isn't that hard.

If Josh voluntarily leaves for another job, the contract voids. Like what happens every time a coach moves to another job. All along this has been our best-case scenario.

We don't pay coach Fuente his contract any more because he left to coach Va Tech. And Arizona State doesn't pay Coach Norvell his $900K OC salary anymore because he became our coach.

It seems you answered my question.

All above correct, but let's be real. No rational human would leave a guaranteed $2.65M a year job for one that would likely offe significantly less w/o some form of settlement.

Even if TCU is interested, It is in CJP's best interest to a least put up the front of "I'm not leaving unless you fire me." The game of chicken begins...

That is when Memphis could negotiate to simply make up the difference. He leaves voluntarily to a job that is going to pay $1 - $1.5 mil and Memphis will make up the rest since that would be in the best interest of both parties. Memphis gets rid of JP at a discount and JP gets to leave on his own terms and still get paid his full salary...

I wonder what the % is that this happens? VS Him just getting fired next weekend?

There is no way Josh will find a second administration stupid enough to hire him.

(03-05-2016 12:23 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  There is no way Josh will find a second administration stupid enough to hire him.

Well thanks for ruining my hopes and dreams.

I think the chances of Josh leaving on his own are higher than people think.

If he was 60, and wanting to cash in on his last job, I could see it.

Be he is what, 38? All he wants to do is coach college basketball. The idea of him becoming an assistant in the NBA is laughable. College kids don't listen to him, so pros would? And the only thing he is good at is recruiting.

It would make sense for him to grab a TCU, Rice, or Tulane job before he gets fired and becomes the poster boy of overpaid, underachieving young college coaches.

(03-05-2016 12:29 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I think the chances of Josh leaving on his own are higher than people think.

If he was 60, and wanting to cash in on his last job, I could see it.

Be he is what, 38? All he wants to do is coach college basketball. The idea of him becoming an assistant in the NBA is laughable. College kids don't listen to him, so pros would? And the only thing he is good at is recruiting.

It would make sense for him to grab a TCU, Rice, or Tulane job before he gets fired and becomes the poster boy of overpaid, underachieving young college coaches.

Nice thoughts.

(03-05-2016 12:25 PM)Maybe_YesSir Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 12:23 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  There is no way Josh will find a second administration stupid enough to hire him.

Well thanks for ruining my hopes and dreams.

Haha sorry. I understand trying to stay positive, but I don't think we are gonna get that lucky.

Any school that hires pastner apparently doesn't care about its basketball program.

If he leaves before the term the university is owed 500k. If he is dismissed, he is owed the balance on the contract. His resignation would trigger the 500k. So either you misheard or Calkins was incorrect. All that being said, basic contract law is that the parties can change any or all of it upon mutual agreement of ALL parties. so if Josh did want to take another job, but the hold up was the financial harm he would do to himself and his family, that could be negotiated. The key here is negotiations depend almost exclusively on leverage. His contract was so one sided that he has ALL the leverage.

(03-05-2016 12:46 PM)RiverCityTigerFan Wrote:  Any school that hires pastner apparently doesn't care about its basketball program.

But they may care about their APR and his squeaky clean image.
Plus, he would probably do better at a lower level school, where he would not be under pressure like he is now.