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Reconstitute a WAC
Pull apart neighboring conferences to recreate a WAC.
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RE: Reconstitute a WAC
CSU Bakersfield (non-football)
Chicago State (non-football)
Eastern Washington
Grand Canyon (non-football)
Idaho
James Madison (football only)
UMKC (non-football)
Montana
Montana State
New Mexico State
Liberty (football only)
Seattle (non-football)
Texas Pan Am (non-football)
UMass (football only)
Utah Valley (non-football)
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(03-04-2016 08:48 PM)Chappy Wrote:  CSU Bakersfield (non-football)
Chicago State (non-football)
Eastern Washington
Grand Canyon (non-football)
Idaho
James Madison (football only)
UMKC (non-football)
Montana
Montana State
New Mexico State
Liberty (football only)
Seattle (non-football)
Texas Pan Am (non-football)
UMass (football only)
Utah Valley (non-football)

Lol. A true east coast to west coast conference.

P5s can't afford that.
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RE: Reconstitute a WAC
(03-04-2016 08:48 PM)Chappy Wrote:  CSU Bakersfield (non-football)
Chicago State (non-football)
Eastern Washington
Grand Canyon (non-football)
Idaho
James Madison (football only)
UMKC (non-football)
Montana
Montana State
New Mexico State
Liberty (football only)
Seattle (non-football)
Texas Pan Am (non-football)
UMass (football only)
Utah Valley (non-football)

So now YOU'RE trolling me?!
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RE: Reconstitute a WAC
Well, reconstructing the WAC an impossible task.

I basically took the current WAC, added Idaho, EWU, Montana and Montana State as full members, and then added the few schools that have been rumored to want to play FBS football (JMU and Liberty) as football only members and gave a home to independent FBS UMass football. That gave them the minimum 8 football members.

Problem is, the Montana Schools, JMU and UMass would probably have no interest in this mess.
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RE: Reconstitute a WAC
Here's my version:

Houston
Tulsa
SMU
BYU
UTEP
Texas-San Antonio
North Texas
Rice
New Mexico
New Mexico St.
Utah St.
Boise St.
Colorado St
Wyoming
Idaho
Texas St
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Hi David
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(03-04-2016 09:07 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Hi David

Nope, though I understand why you think so. Don't think we've ever been in the same thread.
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(03-04-2016 09:07 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Hi David

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RE: Reconstitute a WAC
If forming a new conference were a viable option, I could see an FCS "Great Northern Conference", organized by academic snobbery.

Start with Montana, Montana State, IDaho, Idaho State, North Dakota, North Dakota State, South Dakota, South Dakota State.
Schools like Denver (#86), Seattle (#6 West), UM-Kansas City (#194) would be recruited. UN-Omaha would get discussed because of location, Wichita State because of their basketball, but I don't know if the presidents want either one.
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The first sentence intrigued me, but the rest is silly, IMO.
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RE: Reconstitute a WAC
The WAC had interest from the following:

Liberty
Jacksonville St
Lamar
Sam Houston St
S F Austin

Together with NMSU, Denver, Idaho, and Seattle, it could have patched together a conference that would have needed waivers from the NCAA to satisfy the FBS scheduling and transitioning requirements. Idaho and Seattle were apparently opposed to the plan, because they couldn't convince the Montanas to come aboard that contraption.
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(03-04-2016 10:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The WAC had interest from the following:

Liberty
Jacksonville St
Lamar
Sam Houston St
S F Austin

Together with NMSU, Denver, Idaho, and Seattle, it could have patched together a conference that would have needed waivers from the NCAA to satisfy the FBS scheduling and transitioning requirements. Idaho and Seattle were apparently opposed to the plan, because they couldn't convince the Montanas to come aboard that contraption.

That would have required 8 football playing members that were also full members. I don't have anything solid to go on but how many of those schools would have been full members who played football? Speaking for Liberty, we probably would have gone along with whatever to get us to FBS but it would have sucked to have no nearby schools and it would have really sucked for everyone else if we didn't have a travel partner.
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(03-04-2016 11:13 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(03-04-2016 10:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The WAC had interest from the following:

Liberty
Jacksonville St
Lamar
Sam Houston St
S F Austin

Together with NMSU, Denver, Idaho, and Seattle, it could have patched together a conference that would have needed waivers from the NCAA to satisfy the FBS scheduling and transitioning requirements. Idaho and Seattle were apparently opposed to the plan, because they couldn't convince the Montanas to come aboard that contraption.

That would have required 8 football playing members that were also full members. I don't have anything solid to go on but how many of those schools would have been full members who played football? Speaking for Liberty, we probably would have gone along with whatever to get us to FBS but it would have sucked to have no nearby schools and it would have really sucked for everyone else if we didn't have a travel partner.

That the problem with a conference like that as everybody wants to leave the first chance they get.

Have to assume Youngstown State and Tressel wanted FBS so badly that they would accepted an offer too. That would have made eight FBS.
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It was a lot of travel for all sports. I was a fan of the idea. I dont believe the Wac east plan can be restarted.
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(03-04-2016 10:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The WAC had interest from the following:

Liberty
Jacksonville St
Lamar
Sam Houston St
S F Austin

Together with NMSU, Denver, Idaho, and Seattle, it could have patched together a conference that would have needed waivers from the NCAA to satisfy the FBS scheduling and transitioning requirements. Idaho and Seattle were apparently opposed to the plan, because they couldn't convince the Montanas to come aboard that contraption.

Add UTC
Bama St
Eku
Youngstown
U del
Jmu
umass football only
villanova football only
or some combination of these and you have a conferenc

nmsu and idaho is just too far out to be all sports unless theyre in a different division
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(03-06-2016 09:38 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  
(03-04-2016 10:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The WAC had interest from the following:

Liberty
Jacksonville St
Lamar
Sam Houston St
S F Austin

Together with NMSU, Denver, Idaho, and Seattle, it could have patched together a conference that would have needed waivers from the NCAA to satisfy the FBS scheduling and transitioning requirements. Idaho and Seattle were apparently opposed to the plan, because they couldn't convince the Montanas to come aboard that contraption.

Add UTC
Bama St
Eku
Youngstown
U del
Jmu
umass football only
villanova football only
or some combination of these and you have a conferenc

nmsu and idaho is just too far out to be all sports unless theyre in a different division
Villanova, Delaware, UMass, Delaware are incompatible with the rest. They have major issues with the Sun Belt, and this would be a toilet flush in comparison.
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James Madison, Delaware, and Stony Brook need C-USA East to split off to have any shot at FBS.
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I think the Sun Belt's decision to part ways with Idaho and NMSU will have impacts on the WAC, but there's virtually no chance of it triggering the WAC's reconstitution as an FBS conference.

After the WAC lost most of its football members in 2012 and 2013, NCAA rules gave the WAC a two-year grace period to get back up to having the minimum eight FBS schools as full members to keep its status as an FBS conference. The two years went by, it didn't happen, and the WAC is no longer eligible for FBS status without an NCAA rules waiver. The current FBS conferences have no motivation to support such a waiver, so it's doubtful the NCAA would ever grant one. This would be true even if Idaho were willing to rejoin NMSU in the WAC, and the conference somehow succeeded in recruiting six of the eight top-funded FCS athletic programs west of the Mississippi -- UC Davis, North Dakota, North Dakota State, Sac State, Cal Poly, Montana, Northern Arizona, and Montana State -- to move up to FBS and join the WAC also.

However it is possible that, with NMSU's participation and leadership, the WAC could sponsor a new southwestern FCS football conference. This would require a few unlikely but not implausible things to happen.

First, Idaho would have to drop down to FCS and join the Big Sky, pushing its football membership to a bloated 14. Second, western and southern members of the Big Sky would have to decide they'd had enough of long road trips to icy Idaho, Montana and North Dakota. And third, NMSU would also have to drop down to FCS, but instead of seeking membership in the Big Sky or Southland, convince the WAC to sponsor FCS football and recruit disaffected members from the Big Sky.

For the record, I think that NMSU would be better off staying at the FBS level as an independent than dropping down. But if the school administration opts for FCS, it would be crazy for NMSU to join a supersized Big Sky or Southland conference and be stuck playing schools like Idaho State and Northern Colorado or Houston Baptist and Nicholls State. A strong new regional FCS conference affiliated with the WAC would be a much better home for NMSU.

The target schools to recruit from the Big Sky would be the four western and southern Big Sky outliers on the top-funded list above, i.e. UC Davis, Sac State, Cal Poly, and Northern Arizona, plus Portland State which had the best overall record among Big Sky schools in 2015 (including wins over FBS Washington State and North Texas) and is rebuilding its fan base. Having those five plus NMSU would qualify the new conference for an FCS playoff auto-bid. In the longer run UTRGV's start-up football program could be added to give the conference a Texas presence.

The side benefit of this strategy is that it would enable the WAC to replace Chicago State and UMKC with Portland State and Northern Arizona for non-football sports (presumably UC Davis and Cal Poly would leave their non-football sports in the Big West, and Sac State would put its non-football sports there as well). This would return the WAC to not only being a football-sponsoring conference but also a true western conference with reasonable travel.

In the new age of Division I athletics, if you're not a Power 5 conference you want to stay regional to control costs and keep your membership small enough to give everyone a good shot at the post-season. NMSU is a big dog in the WAC and has an opportunity to leverage its influence to re-make the WAC to fit that model and improve its own circumstances. I think that's a better option for the Aggies than becoming the 11th or 12th or 15th football member of an existing FCS conference where NMSU will have the same outlier stigma it had in the Sun Belt.
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RE: Reconstitute a WAC
(03-06-2016 10:18 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(03-06-2016 09:38 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  
(03-04-2016 10:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The WAC had interest from the following:

Liberty
Jacksonville St
Lamar
Sam Houston St
S F Austin

Together with NMSU, Denver, Idaho, and Seattle, it could have patched together a conference that would have needed waivers from the NCAA to satisfy the FBS scheduling and transitioning requirements. Idaho and Seattle were apparently opposed to the plan, because they couldn't convince the Montanas to come aboard that contraption.

Add UTC
Bama St
Eku
Youngstown
U del
Jmu
umass football only
villanova football only
or some combination of these and you have a conferenc

nmsu and idaho is just too far out to be all sports unless theyre in a different division
Villanova, Delaware, UMass, Delaware are incompatible with the rest. They have major issues with the Sun Belt, and this would be a toilet flush in comparison.

Then you can easily see why I said it will not happen. Too much geography to acquire schools to participate.
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