(03-05-2016 04:14 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  It's hard to describe characteristics as simply being human. Humanity has come up under many different conditions, which necessitated many ways of living.

hence, the brainwashing tactics and the woofy woof....

(03-05-2016 01:52 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 12:05 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 10:44 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 08:59 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 03:41 PM)Lush Wrote:  religion?

Sex.

Married folks have more of it than single folks, and it's not close.

Unfortunately...The frequency peaks at some point and then returns to the level of being single...and then worse...prepuberty.

you're doing it wrong..

Lots of reasons for the decline....Health issues being one of the largest. Id submit this is more the norm than the exception after age 50. My hats off the those that keep it going. They should consider themselves lucky.

I guess the question becomes does the 50yo married man get more than a 50yo single man? And I don't think it's close.

(03-05-2016 01:56 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 12:21 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 10:44 AM)Lush Wrote:  

Bull_In_Exile Wrote:Why is it so hard to fathom that we are not? you said it "all boiled down to" some primate we're distantly related to. Dogs and wolves are so closely related that the can interbreed. Yet they have totally different sexual behaviors.

Basically looking at the primate family and trying to pick out why humans are this or that is foolish. That was my point.

studying our primate cousins isn't relevant to finding clues in our behavior? just to be clear, i don't have any background on this. this is just what i've gathered from the book

Not in any definitive way, no, it's not. But you know... science can be hard.

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Quote:Can someone be monogamous and not married? If yes then they not the same thing

i agree they aren't the same, but there are societal repercussions for not being monogamous even without marriage. it's expected you not cheat if you're in a relationship married or not. if you're being pressured to be monogamous, is that really monogamy?

Whether the pressure is societal approval (humans) or species survival (wolves) it's still a pressure. Monogamy is a behavior, not a mind set.

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Quote:It became necessary to feed more people because people did not die as often or easily. That's kind of a good thing!

they list evidence that hunter/foragers actually lived fairly long lives.

Let's look at the current world because much of the evidence of pre modern peoples is at best an educated guess.

On average, 57% of children make it to 15 years among “untouched” hunter-gatherers. Of folks who hit age 15, the percentage of hunter-gatherers who make it to age 45 is 64%.

So if 100 little hunter gather kids are born this year 57 will be alive in 15 years and in total only 36 will see 45.

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Quote:So you're saying there was no war between hunter gatherer peoples?

there aren't the markings on bones gathered indicative of combat they find. i think that's what they suggest.

Native Americans in North America were hunter gatherers and they fought and killed other native Americans.

The reason you see less bone marking in pre agricultural society is because the methods of killing were less efficient. We are talking pre bronze age.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/scienc....html?_r=0

Quote:The bones at the lake, in northern Kenya, tell a tale of ferocity. One man was hit twice in the head by arrows or small spears and in the knee by a club. A woman, pregnant with a 6- to 9-month-old fetus, was killed by a blow to the head, the fetal skeleton preserved in her abdomen. The position of her hands and feet suggest that she may have been tied up before she was killed.

This idea that man is pacific were it not for modern trappings is very appealing. It's a bull shaq fairy tale but appealing none the less.

Quote:and with plentiful food, no property to own, few possessions to have, and promiscuous women roaming about, what reason would there be to fight?

1 - Food is more plentiful in societies of farmers / herders than among hunters / gatherers.
2 - Weapons used to hunt are "property", things you carry with you for survival are "property"
3 - Women are not, by their nature, nearly promiscuous as men. Not enough to sate the desires of men.
4 - If you have two groups of people who farm one can farm at place a and the other at place b. If you have two groups of people who follow the herds they will be thrown into conflict all the time.

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Quote:How old are you, how long have you been married?

33. been married almost three years

K, as someone well past 10 years being married I can tell you if you do it right the sex does not diminish. And both you and your wife will change, best to make sure you do it together.

Come back when you have over 30 under your belt Bull. Lots of schit changes. Most of it you cant do a damn thing about. There is nothing good about getting older...period.

Most of us get wiser. Especially about people.

(03-05-2016 06:54 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 01:52 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 12:05 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 10:44 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 08:59 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Sex.

Married folks have more of it than single folks, and it's not close.

Unfortunately...The frequency peaks at some point and then returns to the level of being single...and then worse...prepuberty.

you're doing it wrong..

Lots of reasons for the decline....Health issues being one of the largest. Id submit this is more the norm than the exception after age 50. My hats off the those that keep it going. They should consider themselves lucky.

I guess the question becomes does the 50yo married man get more than a 50yo single man? And I don't think it's close.

At 50? Sure. The frequency gap gets closer after that...heading toward zero. It happens all of a sudden without warning. Ill be 56 soon...I can attest to this along with friends of the same age. Like I said...anyone that bucks this trend is fortunate. A lot of it is simply medical in nature. When she hits menopause..all kinds of schit happens.