(03-02-2016 08:04 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:   C-USA is the Eastern based Conference with North and South Divisions; 5 Intra-division and 3 Inter-divisional

C-USA North: Marshall, Appalachian State, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee and Charlotte

C-USA South: Georgia Southern, Georgia State, FIU, FAU, Coastal Carolina, South Alabama

Ummmm... could you link me to your petition? I'd like to sign.

(03-02-2016 03:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 03:31 PM)redfan Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 02:38 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 02:36 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  No thanks. We moved on from the SBC for a reason.

Because MTSU was there ahead of you?

All the "CUSA teams moving to the Sunbelt" threads are nonsense. No CUSA team would move to the Sunbelt.

Only if pride and ego trumps making the most money possible.

Any with half a lick of sense knows CUSA and Sun Belt could be realigned to be more profitable and the whole "move to Sun Belt" ego whine is easily dealt with whatever the new alignment ends up being holds a press conference announcing the formation of "new" conference (hell the Big XII used that fiction, AAC used that fiction) all the while being the Sun Belt for purposes of the CFP and NCAA autobids.

Now given that CUSA is loaded with TV experts who went with a big geography market driven expansion to garner that big increase in TV revenue that is coming their way, maybe there isn't anyone out there smart enough to do it.

Sometimes things are just black and white. No CUSA school would move to the Suinbelt.

(03-02-2016 12:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  If they wanted this, they wouldn't have left.

The higher spending programs all went to the CUSA. Sun Belt refilled with new FCS schools.

CUSA did make the mistake of taking not 1, not 2 but 3 start ups. If you go back 10, 12 years a big portion of current CUSA schools were not Division 1 football schools. Charlotte, Old Dominion, Texas San Antonio, Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky, Florida International, Florida Atlantic ....Two decades ago 12 of the 14 CUSA schools were not division 1 playing football schools. There's been some head scratching moves by CUSA as well....cheers!

(03-02-2016 11:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 12:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  If they wanted this, they wouldn't have left.

The higher spending programs all went to the CUSA. Sun Belt refilled with new FCS schools.

CUSA did make the mistake of taking not 1, not 2 but 3 start ups. If you go back 10, 12 years a big portion of current CUSA schools were not Division 1 football schools. Charlotte, Old Dominion, Texas San Antonio, Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky, Florida International, Florida Atlantic ....Two decades ago 12 of the 14 CUSA schools were not division 1 playing football schools. There's been some head scratching moves by CUSA as well....cheers!

Old Dominion did had football before, but brought it back. They are doing fine at the FBS level than some of the other start ups. They don't choke like Charlotte, FIU, FAU, and Georgia State. UTSA needs some good players to be able to compete. They almost beat Arizona twice.

(03-03-2016 04:28 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 11:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 12:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  If they wanted this, they wouldn't have left.

The higher spending programs all went to the CUSA. Sun Belt refilled with new FCS schools.

CUSA did make the mistake of taking not 1, not 2 but 3 start ups. If you go back 10, 12 years a big portion of current CUSA schools were not Division 1 football schools. Charlotte, Old Dominion, Texas San Antonio, Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky, Florida International, Florida Atlantic ....Two decades ago 12 of the 14 CUSA schools were not division 1 playing football schools. There's been some head scratching moves by CUSA as well....cheers!

Old Dominion did had football before, but brought it back. They are doing fine at the FBS level than some of the other start ups. They don't choke like Charlotte, FIU, FAU, and Georgia State. UTSA needs some good players to be able to compete. They almost beat Arizona twice.

If choking means making a bowl in your 3rd year in FBS, I'm sure most startups would like to be called chokers

(03-03-2016 05:04 AM)PGEMF Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 04:28 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 11:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 12:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  If they wanted this, they wouldn't have left.

The higher spending programs all went to the CUSA. Sun Belt refilled with new FCS schools.

CUSA did make the mistake of taking not 1, not 2 but 3 start ups. If you go back 10, 12 years a big portion of current CUSA schools were not Division 1 football schools. Charlotte, Old Dominion, Texas San Antonio, Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky, Florida International, Florida Atlantic ....Two decades ago 12 of the 14 CUSA schools were not division 1 playing football schools. There's been some head scratching moves by CUSA as well....cheers!

Old Dominion did had football before, but brought it back. They are doing fine at the FBS level than some of the other start ups. They don't choke like Charlotte, FIU, FAU, and Georgia State. UTSA needs some good players to be able to compete. They almost beat Arizona twice.

If choking means making a bowl in your 3rd year in FBS, I'm sure most startups would like to be called chokers

(03-03-2016 04:28 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 11:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 12:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  If they wanted this, they wouldn't have left.

The higher spending programs all went to the CUSA. Sun Belt refilled with new FCS schools.

CUSA did make the mistake of taking not 1, not 2 but 3 start ups. If you go back 10, 12 years a big portion of current CUSA schools were not Division 1 football schools. Charlotte, Old Dominion, Texas San Antonio, Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky, Florida International, Florida Atlantic ....Two decades ago 12 of the 14 CUSA schools were not division 1 playing football schools. There's been some head scratching moves by CUSA as well....cheers!

Old Dominion did had football before, but brought it back. They are doing fine at the FBS level than some of the other start ups. They don't choke like Charlotte, FIU, FAU, and Georgia State. UTSA needs some good players to be able to compete. They almost beat Arizona twice.

Big swing and a miss...

(03-02-2016 08:04 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  While I like our conference as it is, given the loss of NMSU and Idaho, I do see an immediate opportunity for C-USA and the Sun Belt to redistribute along more geographical lines, but still allowing strong competition plus future growth in all four divisions. A playoff possibility is also possible. I would recommend that they agree to agree on the following alignment:

C-USA is the Eastern based Conference with North and South Divisions; 5 Intra-division and 3 Inter-divisional

C-USA North: Marshall, Appalachian State, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee and Charlotte

C-USA South: Georgia Southern, Georgia State, FIU, FAU, Coastal Carolina, South Alabama

Sun Belt is the Western based Conference with East and West Divisions; Again, 5 Intra-division games and 3 Inter-division games

SunBelt East: LaTech, ULM, Arkansas State, Southern Mississippi, UAB, Troy

SunBelt West: Rice, UTEP, Texas State, UTSA, North Texas and ULL.

Feel free to shoot holes in the alignment, but it makes sense to unite these two leagues into 4 reasonably equitable, geographically balanced conferences, rather than continuing to fight over who is best.

That leaves 12 Basketball/OLY sports in C-USA and 14 in the SunBelt if UALR and UAT still are affiliated with this group. Seems fairly balanced in BB and OLY sports, as well. I don't see a downside,.

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(03-02-2016 08:04 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  While I like our conference as it is, given the loss of NMSU and Idaho, I do see an immediate opportunity for C-USA and the Sun Belt to redistribute along more geographical lines, but still allowing strong competition plus future growth in all four divisions. A playoff possibility is also possible. I would recommend that they agree to agree on the following alignment:

C-USA is the Eastern based Conference with North and South Divisions; 5 Intra-division and 3 Inter-divisional

C-USA North: Marshall, Appalachian State, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee and Charlotte

C-USA South: Georgia Southern, Georgia State, FIU, FAU, Coastal Carolina, South Alabama

Sun Belt is the Western based Conference with East and West Divisions; Again, 5 Intra-division games and 3 Inter-division games

SunBelt East: LaTech, ULM, Arkansas State, Southern Mississippi, UAB, Troy

SunBelt West: Rice, UTEP, Texas State, UTSA, North Texas and ULL.

Feel free to shoot holes in the alignment, but it makes sense to unite these two leagues into 4 reasonably equitable, geographically balanced conferences, rather than continuing to fight over who is best.

That leaves 12 Basketball/OLY sports in C-USA and 14 in the SunBelt if UALR and UAT still are affiliated with this group. Seems fairly balanced in BB and OLY sports, as well. I don't see a downside,.

Man...that CUSA south would be GaSouthern's to lose EVERY year. CUSA north is well stronger overall.

(03-03-2016 05:09 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 08:04 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  While I like our conference as it is, given the loss of NMSU and Idaho, I do see an immediate opportunity for C-USA and the Sun Belt to redistribute along more geographical lines, but still allowing strong competition plus future growth in all four divisions. A playoff possibility is also possible. I would recommend that they agree to agree on the following alignment:

C-USA is the Eastern based Conference with North and South Divisions; 5 Intra-division and 3 Inter-divisional

C-USA North: Marshall, Appalachian State, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee and Charlotte

C-USA South: Georgia Southern, Georgia State, FIU, FAU, Coastal Carolina, South Alabama

Sun Belt is the Western based Conference with East and West Divisions; Again, 5 Intra-division games and 3 Inter-division games

SunBelt East: LaTech, ULM, Arkansas State, Southern Mississippi, UAB, Troy

SunBelt West: Rice, UTEP, Texas State, UTSA, North Texas and ULL.

Feel free to shoot holes in the alignment, but it makes sense to unite these two leagues into 4 reasonably equitable, geographically balanced conferences, rather than continuing to fight over who is best.

That leaves 12 Basketball/OLY sports in C-USA and 14 in the SunBelt if UALR and UAT still are affiliated with this group. Seems fairly balanced in BB and OLY sports, as well. I don't see a downside,.

Man...that CUSA south would be GaSouthern's to lose EVERY year. CUSA north is well stronger overall.

I have been promoting a split of the two conferences on here for some time, except a couple of changes to what is submitted. Also, for those who find a stigma with the SunBelt name, let's rename the conference the SWC (can Rice claim the name as a former member).

C-USA North: Marshall, Appalachian State, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee and Charlotte

C-USA South: Georgia Southern, Georgia State, FIU, FAU, Coastal Carolina, Troy (Troy is farther east than USA)

SWC North: La Tech, N. Texas, ULM, Arkansas State, UAB, UTEP

SWC South: Rice, Texas State, UTSA, Louisiana, S. Miss, S. Alabama

(03-04-2016 04:02 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 05:09 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 08:04 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  While I like our conference as it is, given the loss of NMSU and Idaho, I do see an immediate opportunity for C-USA and the Sun Belt to redistribute along more geographical lines, but still allowing strong competition plus future growth in all four divisions. A playoff possibility is also possible. I would recommend that they agree to agree on the following alignment:

C-USA is the Eastern based Conference with North and South Divisions; 5 Intra-division and 3 Inter-divisional

C-USA North: Marshall, Appalachian State, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee and Charlotte

C-USA South: Georgia Southern, Georgia State, FIU, FAU, Coastal Carolina, South Alabama

Sun Belt is the Western based Conference with East and West Divisions; Again, 5 Intra-division games and 3 Inter-division games

SunBelt East: LaTech, ULM, Arkansas State, Southern Mississippi, UAB, Troy

SunBelt West: Rice, UTEP, Texas State, UTSA, North Texas and ULL.

Feel free to shoot holes in the alignment, but it makes sense to unite these two leagues into 4 reasonably equitable, geographically balanced conferences, rather than continuing to fight over who is best.

That leaves 12 Basketball/OLY sports in C-USA and 14 in the SunBelt if UALR and UAT still are affiliated with this group. Seems fairly balanced in BB and OLY sports, as well. I don't see a downside,.

Man...that CUSA south would be GaSouthern's to lose EVERY year. CUSA north is well stronger overall.

I have been promoting a split of the two conferences on here for some time, except a couple of changes to what is submitted. Also, for those who find a stigma with the SunBelt name, let's rename the conference the SWC (can Rice claim the name as a former member).

C-USA North: Marshall, Appalachian State, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee and Charlotte

C-USA South: Georgia Southern, Georgia State, FIU, FAU, Coastal Carolina, Troy (Troy is farther east than USA)

SWC North: La Tech, N. Texas, ULM, Arkansas State, UAB, UTEP

SWC South: Rice, Texas State, UTSA, Louisiana, S. Miss, S. Alabama

SWC Western: N. Texas, UTEP, Rice, Texas State, UTSA, La Tech. (La Tech farther west)

SWC Eastern: Arkansas State, Louisiana, ULM, S Miss, USA, UAB.

You mean EAST.

Is Lousiana ULL?
I'd flip flop Ark. St. with La Tech.

C-USA North's design is an admission the current C-USA East is well constructed. The only change was to remove Florida Atlantic & FIU and replace with AppState, a smaller masters university in a remote location. It's much more likely C-USA East builds on what it has & adds a Georgia program someday to bridge to our Florida partners. The bad assumption SBC fans make is that current C-USA East programs desire to divest of our south Florida ties...for a bus ride to Boone.

(03-02-2016 08:04 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  While I like our conference as it is, given the loss of NMSU and Idaho, I do see an immediate opportunity for C-USA and the Sun Belt to redistribute along more geographical lines, but still allowing strong competition plus future growth in all four divisions. A playoff possibility is also possible. I would recommend that they agree to agree on the following alignment:

C-USA is the Eastern based Conference with North and South Divisions; 5 Intra-division and 3 Inter-divisional

C-USA North: Marshall, Appalachian State, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee and Charlotte

C-USA South: Georgia Southern, Georgia State, FIU, FAU, Coastal Carolina, South Alabama

Sun Belt is the Western based Conference with East and West Divisions; Again, 5 Intra-division games and 3 Inter-division games

SunBelt East: LaTech, ULM, Arkansas State, Southern Mississippi, UAB, Troy

SunBelt West: Rice, UTEP, Texas State, UTSA, North Texas and ULL.

Feel free to shoot holes in the alignment, but it makes sense to unite these two leagues into 4 reasonably equitable, geographically balanced conferences, rather than continuing to fight over who is best.

That leaves 12 Basketball/OLY sports in C-USA and 14 in the SunBelt if UALR and UAT still are affiliated with this group. Seems fairly balanced in BB and OLY sports, as well. I don't see a downside,.

Nice...my only suggestion would be to flip ULL and Ark St so as to keep LaLa and LaMo together teamed with La Tech.

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