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RE: The libertarian option of Gary Johnson
(03-01-2016 10:25 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  
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(03-01-2016 08:25 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Not even going to give Hillary any chance to win. Voting for Whomever wins the GOP. We need to get Ourselves Out of the Quicksand We've been stuck in the last 7.3 years.

At least quicksand is a slow death. Trump would blow up the house.

Stink fu**en nailed it above.

We're fu**ed.

It deserves to be blown up.

What deserves to be blown up, the constitution? What are you referring to exactly?

We've had 16 years of incompetency in the executive branch. While this certainly leads to an argument of major change, it also makes me not want someone in power that wants to make the executive branch even more powerful.

The two party political system.
The establishments ON both sides.
The corruption that is rampant.
The power that DC holds over the rest of us.
The Wall Street/K Street/ DC revolving door.

The whole thing needs to be blown up. **** DC.

Trump lives there. He's been in both parties. What makes you think he would blow anything up? He's probably just there to make another few billion and stroke his massive public ego that hides his inner scared little boy.
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RE: The libertarian option of Gary Johnson
(03-01-2016 10:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 10:25 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 09:14 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 09:02 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 08:47 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  At least quicksand is a slow death. Trump would blow up the house.

Stink fu**en nailed it above.

We're fu**ed.

It deserves to be blown up.

What deserves to be blown up, the constitution? What are you referring to exactly?

We've had 16 years of incompetency in the executive branch. While this certainly leads to an argument of major change, it also makes me not want someone in power that wants to make the executive branch even more powerful.

The two party political system.
The establishments ON both sides.
The corruption that is rampant.
The power that DC holds over the rest of us.
The Wall Street/K Street/ DC revolving door.

The whole thing needs to be blown up. **** DC.

Trump lives there. He's been in both parties. What makes you think he would blow anything up? He's probably just there to make another few billion and stroke his massive public ego that hides his inner scared little boy.

Peoples views do change.

His support is from a group of voters that are done with the system and tired of being lied to. Both left and right support Trump in my opinion. I'm just watching the circus like everyone else and probably not voting for anybody. But, I see where his support is coming from.
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RE: The libertarian option of Gary Johnson
(03-01-2016 10:43 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 10:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 10:25 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 09:14 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 09:02 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  It deserves to be blown up.

What deserves to be blown up, the constitution? What are you referring to exactly?

We've had 16 years of incompetency in the executive branch. While this certainly leads to an argument of major change, it also makes me not want someone in power that wants to make the executive branch even more powerful.

The two party political system.
The establishments ON both sides.
The corruption that is rampant.
The power that DC holds over the rest of us.
The Wall Street/K Street/ DC revolving door.

The whole thing needs to be blown up. **** DC.

Trump lives there. He's been in both parties. What makes you think he would blow anything up? He's probably just there to make another few billion and stroke his massive public ego that hides his inner scared little boy.

Peoples views do change.

His support is from a group of voters that are done with the system and tired of being lied to. Both left and right support Trump in my opinion. I'm just watching the circus like everyone else and probably not voting for anybody. But, I see where his support is coming from.

What system?
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RE: The libertarian option of Gary Johnson
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(03-01-2016 02:40 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  For those of us that will never vote for Hillary Clinton and are offended by Trump trashing the establishment of the party there is the option of former Republican governor Gary Johnson and his Libertarian party. Very easy option for those that respect Senator Rand Paul contributions to the debates. Small government two term NM governor who vetoed spending. This could be the year the libertarian party gets over 10% from Republicans who are not pleased with the Tea party wing hijacking the party and nominating Trump. Trump will have to worry about Hillary and defections from the Republican side to the libertarian party.

sorry man....that's the same option as staying at home....

I'll never understand those that vote for something that means nothing....it's like chokin' a limp noodle....

I like the guy....I'd vote for him if it meant something....Kasich too....

however, one has to understand the simple things.....there are only two parties that matter....it doesn't matter if one likes it or not.....

if one wants to do that, go for it....it is one's right

I completely disagree that a life long red will make a protest vote in the general....and if one does, it's no different than voting blue......

today should be fun if only for comedic purposes....

The hope is to get a large enough percentage of the popular vote in November to force the networks to include the Liberty party in the 2020 debates. I'll be voting for him since Rand is out of the race. I know he stands no chance to get elected this year, but I would rather see a third party rise up to get more diversifying viewpoints.

I'll be voting today in primaries, and I know my vote for Presidential candidate won't mean much, but I've actually studied some of the other positions and perhaps my vote might mean something for a local politician today. I doubt it, but I can dream.

This. I'm sick of holding my nose and simply voting against the other side. The more legitimacy a 3rd party gains, the more likely they'll have a chance. Maybe not next election, or the next, but maybe in 2028 we can start to actually turn this country back towards the ideals it was founded on. If voting third party is a vote for Hillary, then so be it....I'm gunning for the long game.
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RE: The libertarian option of Gary Johnson
(03-01-2016 09:42 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 08:53 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 03:10 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 02:40 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  For those of us that will never vote for Hillary Clinton and are offended by Trump trashing the establishment of the party there is the option of former Republican governor Gary Johnson and his Libertarian party. Very easy option for those that respect Senator Rand Paul contributions to the debates. Small government two term NM governor who vetoed spending. This could be the year the libertarian party gets over 10% from Republicans who are not pleased with the Tea party wing hijacking the party and nominating Trump. Trump will have to worry about Hillary and defections from the Republican side to the libertarian party.

sorry man....that's the same option as staying at home....

I'll never understand those that vote for something that means nothing....it's like chokin' a limp noodle....

I like the guy....I'd vote for him if it meant something....Kasich too....

however, one has to understand the simple things.....there are only two parties that matter....it doesn't matter if one likes it or not.....

if one wants to do that, go for it....it is one's right

I completely disagree that a life long red will make a protest vote in the general....and if one does, it's no different than voting blue......

today should be fun if only for comedic purposes....

I will partially disagree with you here. I am voting Gary Johnson. Here's the reason: I live in Texas. Texas will go the GOP candidate no matter what happens. My vote as a protest vote will not impact the general in the slightest, but it will increase Gary Johnson's percentage enough to piss the GOP off, and that makes me happy. Now if I still lived in Virginia, it's a completely different story and as you said, voting Gary is the same as just staying home and Dim comes out on top. But I don't live in Virginia anymore, I live in Texas. The same goes for those GOPers who live in California, it's a golden opportunity to give the middle finger to the GOP establishment by voting Gary

that's fair....I have never voted in the general for the same reason.....the 'sip has always voted red//////if that's what you want to do, then go for it....I don't think I've presented anything that represents the opposite....

the cali argument is flawed.....they don't swing red....hell, who knows what they swing on.....

again....it's why we all get to vote....and it's how it tickles thine that matters....

I said Cali because that state will always swing blue as much as much as Texas will red. So in that instance if I lived in Cali, I'd vote Gary. In this election the only way I vote red is if I were in a swing state.
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(03-01-2016 10:59 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 08:10 AM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 03:10 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 02:40 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  For those of us that will never vote for Hillary Clinton and are offended by Trump trashing the establishment of the party there is the option of former Republican governor Gary Johnson and his Libertarian party. Very easy option for those that respect Senator Rand Paul contributions to the debates. Small government two term NM governor who vetoed spending. This could be the year the libertarian party gets over 10% from Republicans who are not pleased with the Tea party wing hijacking the party and nominating Trump. Trump will have to worry about Hillary and defections from the Republican side to the libertarian party.

sorry man....that's the same option as staying at home....

I'll never understand those that vote for something that means nothing....it's like chokin' a limp noodle....

I like the guy....I'd vote for him if it meant something....Kasich too....

however, one has to understand the simple things.....there are only two parties that matter....it doesn't matter if one likes it or not.....

if one wants to do that, go for it....it is one's right

I completely disagree that a life long red will make a protest vote in the general....and if one does, it's no different than voting blue......

today should be fun if only for comedic purposes....

The hope is to get a large enough percentage of the popular vote in November to force the networks to include the Liberty party in the 2020 debates. I'll be voting for him since Rand is out of the race. I know he stands no chance to get elected this year, but I would rather see a third party rise up to get more diversifying viewpoints.

I'll be voting today in primaries, and I know my vote for Presidential candidate won't mean much, but I've actually studied some of the other positions and perhaps my vote might mean something for a local politician today. I doubt it, but I can dream.

This. I'm sick of holding my nose and simply voting against the other side. The more legitimacy a 3rd party gains, the more likely they'll have a chance. Maybe not next election, or the next, but maybe in 2028 we can start to actually turn this country back towards the ideals it was founded on. If voting third party is a vote for Hillary, then so be it....I'm gunning for the long game.

I'll just say good luck with that and have a nice day.....





maybe ∞ is part of that longevity equation.....y'all have fun in that playground of unicorns....
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RE: The libertarian option of Gary Johnson
(03-01-2016 11:05 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 09:42 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 08:53 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 03:10 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 02:40 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  For those of us that will never vote for Hillary Clinton and are offended by Trump trashing the establishment of the party there is the option of former Republican governor Gary Johnson and his Libertarian party. Very easy option for those that respect Senator Rand Paul contributions to the debates. Small government two term NM governor who vetoed spending. This could be the year the libertarian party gets over 10% from Republicans who are not pleased with the Tea party wing hijacking the party and nominating Trump. Trump will have to worry about Hillary and defections from the Republican side to the libertarian party.

sorry man....that's the same option as staying at home....

I'll never understand those that vote for something that means nothing....it's like chokin' a limp noodle....

I like the guy....I'd vote for him if it meant something....Kasich too....

however, one has to understand the simple things.....there are only two parties that matter....it doesn't matter if one likes it or not.....

if one wants to do that, go for it....it is one's right

I completely disagree that a life long red will make a protest vote in the general....and if one does, it's no different than voting blue......

today should be fun if only for comedic purposes....

I will partially disagree with you here. I am voting Gary Johnson. Here's the reason: I live in Texas. Texas will go the GOP candidate no matter what happens. My vote as a protest vote will not impact the general in the slightest, but it will increase Gary Johnson's percentage enough to piss the GOP off, and that makes me happy. Now if I still lived in Virginia, it's a completely different story and as you said, voting Gary is the same as just staying home and Dim comes out on top. But I don't live in Virginia anymore, I live in Texas. The same goes for those GOPers who live in California, it's a golden opportunity to give the middle finger to the GOP establishment by voting Gary

that's fair....I have never voted in the general for the same reason.....the 'sip has always voted red//////if that's what you want to do, then go for it....I don't think I've presented anything that represents the opposite....

the cali argument is flawed.....they don't swing red....hell, who knows what they swing on.....

again....it's why we all get to vote....and it's how it tickles thine that matters....

I said Cali because that state will always swing blue as much as much as Texas will red. So in that instance if I lived in Cali, I'd vote Gary. In this election the only way I vote red is if I were in a swing state.

California was pretty reliably Republican not that many years ago.
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(03-01-2016 11:09 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  maybe ∞ is part of that longevity equation.....y'all have fun in that playground of unicorns....

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(03-01-2016 11:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 11:05 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 09:42 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 08:53 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 03:10 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  sorry man....that's the same option as staying at home....

I'll never understand those that vote for something that means nothing....it's like chokin' a limp noodle....

I like the guy....I'd vote for him if it meant something....Kasich too....

however, one has to understand the simple things.....there are only two parties that matter....it doesn't matter if one likes it or not.....

if one wants to do that, go for it....it is one's right

I completely disagree that a life long red will make a protest vote in the general....and if one does, it's no different than voting blue......

today should be fun if only for comedic purposes....

I will partially disagree with you here. I am voting Gary Johnson. Here's the reason: I live in Texas. Texas will go the GOP candidate no matter what happens. My vote as a protest vote will not impact the general in the slightest, but it will increase Gary Johnson's percentage enough to piss the GOP off, and that makes me happy. Now if I still lived in Virginia, it's a completely different story and as you said, voting Gary is the same as just staying home and Dim comes out on top. But I don't live in Virginia anymore, I live in Texas. The same goes for those GOPers who live in California, it's a golden opportunity to give the middle finger to the GOP establishment by voting Gary

that's fair....I have never voted in the general for the same reason.....the 'sip has always voted red//////if that's what you want to do, then go for it....I don't think I've presented anything that represents the opposite....

the cali argument is flawed.....they don't swing red....hell, who knows what they swing on.....

again....it's why we all get to vote....and it's how it tickles thine that matters....

I said Cali because that state will always swing blue as much as much as Texas will red. So in that instance if I lived in Cali, I'd vote Gary. In this election the only way I vote red is if I were in a swing state.

California was pretty reliably Republican not that many years ago.

That was during the Reagan years, and rightfully so. Reagan is long gone and Democrats have the state in a choke-hold. There's no way it swings R anytime soon.
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(03-01-2016 11:38 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 11:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 11:05 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 09:42 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-01-2016 08:53 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  I will partially disagree with you here. I am voting Gary Johnson. Here's the reason: I live in Texas. Texas will go the GOP candidate no matter what happens. My vote as a protest vote will not impact the general in the slightest, but it will increase Gary Johnson's percentage enough to piss the GOP off, and that makes me happy. Now if I still lived in Virginia, it's a completely different story and as you said, voting Gary is the same as just staying home and Dim comes out on top. But I don't live in Virginia anymore, I live in Texas. The same goes for those GOPers who live in California, it's a golden opportunity to give the middle finger to the GOP establishment by voting Gary

that's fair....I have never voted in the general for the same reason.....the 'sip has always voted red//////if that's what you want to do, then go for it....I don't think I've presented anything that represents the opposite....

the cali argument is flawed.....they don't swing red....hell, who knows what they swing on.....

again....it's why we all get to vote....and it's how it tickles thine that matters....

I said Cali because that state will always swing blue as much as much as Texas will red. So in that instance if I lived in Cali, I'd vote Gary. In this election the only way I vote red is if I were in a swing state.

California was pretty reliably Republican not that many years ago.

That was during the Reagan years, and rightfully so. Reagan is long gone and Democrats have the state in a choke-hold. There's no way it swings R anytime soon.

veddy good....the dolly wood years....isn't jerry back in play.....what a bunch of fk'n weirdo's.....they couldn't pick their nose at this point....

what was it....jerry, ronny....jerry....awnold...jerry? what a shiteload of freaks that are getting ready to get butt reamed.....

zero sympathy.....
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So Why is it then that it seems Only the Liberals are the Happy Ones here. They gladly Welcome 8 more years of This Crap. Sheez!!!!!!!! Think about that with Hilldawg or Bernie in office.
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Everybody wants something different but won't vote for it because it probably won't win.

So vote for the cesspool, it always wins. And you'll be a winner.
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(03-01-2016 11:50 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  So Why is it then that it seems Only the Liberals are the Happy Ones here. They gladly Welcome 8 more years of This Crap. Sheez!!!!!!!! Think about that with Hilldawg or Bernie in office.

I'm a centrist voting for the crazy guy (when I finally can) and am having a blast watching how this plays out....

I do like arseholes that pucker....lube time.....

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Voting for a third party candidate is like voting for Mickey Mouse. It feels good, but does nothing.
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(03-01-2016 02:40 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  For those of us that will never vote for Hillary Clinton and are offended by Trump trashing the establishment of the party there is the option of former Republican governor Gary Johnson and his Libertarian party. Very easy option for those that respect Senator Rand Paul contributions to the debates. Small government two term NM governor who vetoed spending. This could be the year the libertarian party gets over 10% from Republicans who are not pleased with the Tea party wing hijacking the party and nominating Trump. Trump will have to worry about Hillary and defections from the Republican side to the libertarian party.

I don't like to throw my vote away so I may have to pinch my nose this time around. My libertarian vote in 2012 did no good.
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(03-01-2016 08:54 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Trump is too temperamental and vindictive, far more than the average politician, which is not the same as "speaks bluntly and off the cuff." Guys like Ron Paul were able to connect at a raw, grassroots level without resorting to insult-per-minute shenanigans.

I don't need high-brow sophistication in the Oval Office, but there's a level of decorum and tact I expect for the POTUS. And Trump hasn't proven that he'll display this on the world stage.

Clinton is every bit as vindictive and then some. Hiding it is not a positive characteristic.
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Ill vote for Kasich in the primary. I cant see me voting for any of the others in the general and no way in hell for Trump. Id rather be stuck with Clinton...so Ill protest and vote again for Johnson.
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(03-01-2016 12:48 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Ill vote for Kasich in the primary. I cant see me voting for any of the others in the general and no way in hell for Trump. Id rather be stuck with Clinton...so Ill protest and vote again for Johnson.
Good pick, anyone but Trump. Have to keep him under 50%.

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(03-01-2016 12:05 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Voting for a third party candidate is like voting for Mickey Mouse. It feels good, but does nothing.

This

It's a wasted vote.
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(03-01-2016 12:05 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Voting for a third party candidate is like voting for Mickey Mouse. It feels good, but does nothing.

So keep voting for the same national decline we've been undergoing for decades.

But if you are going to continue to vote for the same national decline time after time.....stop complaining about it.
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