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RE: Crazy Big XII scenario
(02-28-2016 09:56 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Suppose for a moment that the Big XII ignores factors like football pedigree, attendance and distance from the footprint in their expansion plan. For 11 & 12 they choose their perceived "best markets" and choose Temple (#4 DMA) and UConn (#30 DMA plus whatever they can clam of the NYC market). They tell Houston that they would have been chosen if there weren't already so many Texas schools in the conference.

What happens next? Does Houston then begin to market itself to other conferences or hold out for the eventual departure of Texas schools from the Big XII? Do Texas, Oklahoma or Kansas accelerate their efforts to find an alternative to the Big XII? With the AAC down to ten teams and Cincinnati and Navy being its northernmost schools, does the conference stand at 10, expand north or west or consolidate within its new footprint? Does a meeting occur at a western airport to discuss the formation of a new conference among those who consider themselves to be better than the remnants of the AAC and MW? Will Arkansas Tech apply for Big 10 membership?

You had me until "Will Arkansas Tech apply for Big 10 membership?" That's just insane. It's common knowledge that AT is going to the SEC. cheers!
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RE: Crazy Big XII scenario
(02-28-2016 03:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-28-2016 03:32 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(02-28-2016 03:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-28-2016 02:26 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  threads like these read like people are not even paying attention to what is going on they are just making David State threads with zero reasoning behind them

1. Texas is not currently looking to leave the Big 12 and they have made ZERO indication they are

2. there is not a chance in hell that OU will be able to leave the Big 12 before the GOR ends if the Big 12 expands AT THE BEHEST OF THE IDIOT RUNNING OU.....OU would be sued into the poor house by the remaining members of the Big 12 and probably even more so by the teams added to the Big 12 that came to the Big 12 at the behest of the idiot running OU only to watch OU try and leave

there is not a chance that OU would not get destroyed in court for trying that

3. UH can shop themselves to anyone they wish, but there is ZERO indication that the ACC or PAC 12 is looking to expand and there is not even any reason to even speculate they are.....there is not a chance in hell that UH is the reason the PAC 12n would suddenly become a financial success or that the PAC 12n would get "in market" rates in Texas for adding UH and there is not a chance in hell that UH helps the ACC get a conference network so adding UH is just another mouth to feed with the same overall money and that is not happening

UH is not going to the SEC or the Big 10 they are not even in consideration

4. the Big 12 makes a great deal more money that the ACC and they are ahead of the PAC 12 as well and as cable subscribers decline that should continue so there is no issue of "being competitive with the PAC 12 or ACC" for the Big 12

5. CCG deregulation has already PASSED.......are people that comment on this in a coma?......so there is not a issue of the AAC losing their CCG with 10 teams

6. there is not a chance in hell that Texas would partner with UH to go to the PAC 12.....ESPECIALLY JUST UH....that would be the dumbest move in the history of evAR both financially and from a fan or recruiting standpoint and from the standpoint of teams Texas remotely cares about playing year in and year out

I actually agree with some of your points, but as usual,, your irrational hate for Houston causes you to veer off into completely idiotic lines of thought. Its ok. You cant help it.

The addition of Houston would obviously by definition trigger "in state" rates for the Pac12 Network in Texas. Would that be enough for the Pac-12 to break even or even profit from the addition of Houston--maybe--maybe not. Doesn't really matter though, because who else could they pair Houston with at this point who wouldn't decrease value? No other state offers 26 million people like Texas. The only one I can think of could be BYU--but they are non-starter as a religious institution. So for now--I just don't see a path out of the AAC for Houston. Unfortunately, the way things are developing, we are going to be trapped in the AAC for a long long time.

you are under the false impression that there is some type of rule, law or edict from God that cable companies are required or forced to pay "in state rates" simply because a conference has a team in that state

this is of course not remotely true and in the case of the PAC12n some cable MSOs and Direct TV have chose to not even carry the network even with teams in the state in the conference (they only have 11 million subscribers and there are a great deal more cable subscribers than 11 million in the PAC 12 footprint alone)

so your premise that having UH in the PAC 12 would trigger in market rates is not valid or supported by fact

cable MSOs even stated that A&M was not going to be a trigger for in market rates in all of Texas so there is no chance that UH would do so for the PAC12n

Well, I do know the only way to get "in state" rate is to have a team "in state". Also, you have no idea what you are talking about. The Pac12 Network doesn't even have an "in state" rate. It has one rate--.80 cents---everywhere. Which is dumb, and is likely why they have such bad carriage. Their network gets extremely light limited carriage in Texas, mostly only on special "sports tiers". A recent survey found that Houston was the 3rd most popular team in Texas. There is little doubt that the inclusion of Houston would increase the Pac-12 Networks carriage in Texas. Right now, there is little reason for Texas systems to carry the network.

The reason Texas carries the Pac-12 network is for the huge following of Washington St, Oregon st and Utah in the Houston and Dallas markets. Cheers!
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