With the exception being at Oxford for the Miami game, watching on tv, I don't see a lot of passion on the part of long time season ticket holders when it comes to cheering, yelling and just getting loud. Perhaps the rocket men are not energized by the crowd. I believe the crowd are for the women's game. When I go to the wright state games, they are the leaders in arrendence as well in their league, they are a stronger vocal support crowd , their record at home is far superior to UT. When I go to Miami games, that is a morgue, well no one goes to their games any more. Perhaps I am off base on UT fan vocal support.

(02-28-2016 08:06 AM)Springboromark Wrote:  With the exception being at Oxford for the Miami game, watching on tv, I don't see a lot of passion on the part of long time season ticket holders when it comes to cheering, yelling and just getting loud. Perhaps the rocket men are not energized by the crowd. I believe the crowd are for the women's game. When I go to the wright state games, they are the leaders in arrendence as well in their league, they are a stronger vocal support crowd , their record at home is far superior to UT. When I go to Miami games, that is a morgue, well no one goes to their games any more. Perhaps I am off base on UT fan vocal support.

Got pretty loud last night. OTOH, at one point I actually had a brief conversation with Coach Kowalczyk during play. I sit three rows behind the bench and we could hear each other fine. Later it got VERY loud. Foot stomping, screaming...big, excited crowd. Great game to watch.

(02-28-2016 08:50 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 08:06 AM)Springboromark Wrote:  With the exception being at Oxford for the Miami game, watching on tv, I don't see a lot of passion on the part of long time season ticket holders when it comes to cheering, yelling and just getting loud. Perhaps the rocket men are not energized by the crowd. I believe the crowd are for the women's game. When I go to the wright state games, they are the leaders in arrendence as well in their league, they are a stronger vocal support crowd , their record at home is far superior to UT. When I go to Miami games, that is a morgue, well no one goes to their games any more. Perhaps I am off base on UT fan vocal support.

Got pretty loud last night. OTOH, at one point I actually had a brief conversation with Coach Kowalczyk during play. I sit three rows behind the bench and we could hear each other fine. Later it got VERY loud. Foot stomping, screaming...big, excited crowd. Great game to watch.

I thought it was the best crowd support at a men's Rocket game this season. Was a fun atmosphere and an entertaining game.

(02-28-2016 10:29 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 08:50 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 08:06 AM)Springboromark Wrote:  With the exception being at Oxford for the Miami game, watching on tv, I don't see a lot of passion on the part of long time season ticket holders when it comes to cheering, yelling and just getting loud. Perhaps the rocket men are not energized by the crowd. I believe the crowd are for the women's game. When I go to the wright state games, they are the leaders in arrendence as well in their league, they are a stronger vocal support crowd , their record at home is far superior to UT. When I go to Miami games, that is a morgue, well no one goes to their games any more. Perhaps I am off base on UT fan vocal support.

Got pretty loud last night. OTOH, at one point I actually had a brief conversation with Coach Kowalczyk during play. I sit three rows behind the bench and we could hear each other fine. Later it got VERY loud. Foot stomping, screaming...big, excited crowd. Great game to watch.

I thought it was the best crowd support at a men's Rocket game this season. Was a fun atmosphere and an entertaining game.

Could the fact that Wright St doesn't have football and the fans are all amped up for the basketball season be the reason?

(02-28-2016 08:50 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 08:06 AM)Springboromark Wrote:  With the exception being at Oxford for the Miami game, watching on tv, I don't see a lot of passion on the part of long time season ticket holders when it comes to cheering, yelling and just getting loud. Perhaps the rocket men are not energized by the crowd. I believe the crowd are for the women's game. When I go to the wright state games, they are the leaders in arrendence as well in their league, they are a stronger vocal support crowd , their record at home is far superior to UT. When I go to Miami games, that is a morgue, well no one goes to their games any more. Perhaps I am off base on UT fan vocal support.

Got pretty loud last night. OTOH, at one point I actually had a brief conversation with Coach Kowalczyk during play. I sit three rows behind the bench and we could hear each other fine. Later it got VERY loud. Foot stomping, screaming...big, excited crowd. Great game to watch.

I also sit behind the bench (a few rows behind you it seems like) and last night I noticed him looking into the stands a lot when he was upset about calls. As if he wanted confirmation that they were bad calls.

I strongly believe that there are dual fan bases at UT. Meaning the mens & womens programs alienating themselves. Myself, I have season tix for the men, but try to make it to as many of the ladies game as possible. The atmosphere at Lady Rocket games seems to be more fired up, and would like to have some of that action and clientele spill over to the mens side. It's a shame a lot of people will have nothing to do with watching the men play, and it goes the other way around with folks not supporting the ladies. I guess scheduling comes somewhat into play.
As for WSU support, if Toledo was without Div. 1 football like say Dayton, WSU, or Butler, Savage would have 6-7000 people on a regular basis.

(02-28-2016 11:25 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 08:50 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 08:06 AM)Springboromark Wrote:  With the exception being at Oxford for the Miami game, watching on tv, I don't see a lot of passion on the part of long time season ticket holders when it comes to cheering, yelling and just getting loud. Perhaps the rocket men are not energized by the crowd. I believe the crowd are for the women's game. When I go to the wright state games, they are the leaders in arrendence as well in their league, they are a stronger vocal support crowd , their record at home is far superior to UT. When I go to Miami games, that is a morgue, well no one goes to their games any more. Perhaps I am off base on UT fan vocal support.

Got pretty loud last night. OTOH, at one point I actually had a brief conversation with Coach Kowalczyk during play. I sit three rows behind the bench and we could hear each other fine. Later it got VERY loud. Foot stomping, screaming...big, excited crowd. Great game to watch.

I also sit behind the bench (a few rows behind you it seems like) and last night I noticed him looking into the stands a lot when he was upset about calls. As if he wanted confirmation that they were bad calls.

The refs missed Brayson stepping on the end line and I leaped to my feet and started screaming that he was out. Coach K was also screaming, then he turned to me and said "He stepped out, right?" I pointed to on the spot and said "Sure did!" He replied "I thought so" and turned back and started screaming at the ref "He(me) saw it, why didn't you?" Of course CMU got a three pointer on the possession that should have been a turnover.

(02-28-2016 12:58 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 11:25 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 08:50 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 08:06 AM)Springboromark Wrote:  With the exception being at Oxford for the Miami game, watching on tv, I don't see a lot of passion on the part of long time season ticket holders when it comes to cheering, yelling and just getting loud. Perhaps the rocket men are not energized by the crowd. I believe the crowd are for the women's game. When I go to the wright state games, they are the leaders in arrendence as well in their league, they are a stronger vocal support crowd , their record at home is far superior to UT. When I go to Miami games, that is a morgue, well no one goes to their games any more. Perhaps I am off base on UT fan vocal support.

Got pretty loud last night. OTOH, at one point I actually had a brief conversation with Coach Kowalczyk during play. I sit three rows behind the bench and we could hear each other fine. Later it got VERY loud. Foot stomping, screaming...big, excited crowd. Great game to watch.

I also sit behind the bench (a few rows behind you it seems like) and last night I noticed him looking into the stands a lot when he was upset about calls. As if he wanted confirmation that they were bad calls.

The refs missed Brayson stepping on the end line and I leaped to my feet and started screaming that he was out. Coach K was also screaming, then he turned to me and said "He stepped out, right?" I pointed to on the spot and said "Sure did!" He replied "I thought so" and turned back and started screaming at the ref "He(me) saw it, why didn't you?" Of course CMU got a three pointer on the possession that should have been a turnover.

And they missed the obvious traveling by CMU in the 2nd half that also led to a kick out 3. That's 6 points they shouldn't have scored. Killer

(02-28-2016 01:21 PM)letsgoblue Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 12:58 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 11:25 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 08:50 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 08:06 AM)Springboromark Wrote:  With the exception being at Oxford for the Miami game, watching on tv, I don't see a lot of passion on the part of long time season ticket holders when it comes to cheering, yelling and just getting loud. Perhaps the rocket men are not energized by the crowd. I believe the crowd are for the women's game. When I go to the wright state games, they are the leaders in arrendence as well in their league, they are a stronger vocal support crowd , their record at home is far superior to UT. When I go to Miami games, that is a morgue, well no one goes to their games any more. Perhaps I am off base on UT fan vocal support.

Got pretty loud last night. OTOH, at one point I actually had a brief conversation with Coach Kowalczyk during play. I sit three rows behind the bench and we could hear each other fine. Later it got VERY loud. Foot stomping, screaming...big, excited crowd. Great game to watch.

I also sit behind the bench (a few rows behind you it seems like) and last night I noticed him looking into the stands a lot when he was upset about calls. As if he wanted confirmation that they were bad calls.

The refs missed Brayson stepping on the end line and I leaped to my feet and started screaming that he was out. Coach K was also screaming, then he turned to me and said "He stepped out, right?" I pointed to on the spot and said "Sure did!" He replied "I thought so" and turned back and started screaming at the ref "He(me) saw it, why didn't you?" Of course CMU got a three pointer on the possession that should have been a turnover.

And they missed the obvious traveling by CMU in the 2nd half that also led to a kick out 3. That's 6 points they shouldn't have scored. Killer

Balanced by a couple obvious travels by UT that led to buckets for us. That leaves us tied: call 'em back for an OT,

While I agree that the Adult Season Ticket Holders sitting in the lower bowl, which I am one of, are not the most verbal during the games, I think it is up to the students to create a "home court" atmosphere to get the team and the rest of the crowd amped up. If you look around college basketball, the students are the ones that lead the way in creating a home court advantage. While more UT students are coming to the Men's games, I just don't see them getting too excited and I think that has played a part in the Rockets losing multiple home games over the past several years based on the talent they have. I am not absolving the coaches or players for the home record, but I do think the students and other fans need to show more enthusiasm during the games other than when the cheerleaders are throwing T-Shirts into the crowd. I'm not sure what the remedy is, but we need to do something to make Savage Arena a more intimidating place for our opponents to play in.

(02-29-2016 02:04 PM)Basketball Jones Wrote:  While I agree that the Adult Season Ticket Holders sitting in the lower bowl, which I am one of, are not the most verbal during the games, I think it is up to the students to create a "home court" atmosphere to get the team and the rest of the crowd amped up. If you look around college basketball, the students are the ones that lead the way in creating a home court advantage. While more UT students are coming to the Men's games, I just don't see them getting too excited and I think that has played a part in the Rockets losing multiple home games over the past several years based on the talent they have. I am not absolving the coaches or players for the home record, but I do think the students and other fans need to show more enthusiasm during the games other than when the cheerleaders are throwing T-Shirts into the crowd. I'm not sure what the remedy is, but we need to do something to make Savage Arena a more intimidating place for our opponents to play in.

UT's student section is pathetic. Actually, most of the people that sit in the student section, aren't students. It's older people and little kids. It's difficult to create an exciting atmosphere when the students don't give a damn.

(02-29-2016 02:04 PM)Basketball Jones Wrote:  While I agree that the Adult Season Ticket Holders sitting in the lower bowl, which I am one of, are not the most verbal during the games, I think it is up to the students to create a "home court" atmosphere to get the team and the rest of the crowd amped up. If you look around college basketball, the students are the ones that lead the way in creating a home court advantage. While more UT students are coming to the Men's games, I just don't see them getting too excited and I think that has played a part in the Rockets losing multiple home games over the past several years based on the talent they have. I am not absolving the coaches or players for the home record, but I do think the students and other fans need to show more enthusiasm during the games other than when the cheerleaders are throwing T-Shirts into the crowd. I'm not sure what the remedy is, but we need to do something to make Savage Arena a more intimidating place for our opponents to play in.

I think more could be done to connect Rocket athletes & coaches with the student body. There have been steps forward. For example, I often see TK acknowledge the students in the bleachers nearest the Rocket bench during warm-ups, and have even seen him walk to the other bleachers to specifically spend a few seconds with the Blue Crew. Those kinds of small actions, combined with many more small actions, magnifies the attraction/support between the students and THEIR team. Although I'm long gone from my UT student days, I have family members who are students. aside from an occasional one-off situation, like BG week, Homecoming, or before the NIU football game, there isn't as much intentional effort being made to connect students and Rocket athletes/coaches as "family". Maybe this doesn't have to be done at Duke or Michigan State where the coaches, in particular, have become celebrities who connect with the students, but in the MAC and at a largely commuter school like UT, I think it's a priority.

The blue crew is still the best fan group in the conference... They travel a lot, and stand all game. The rest of the students should be better I agree, but the men havent played particularly well at home in conference play. Its hard to get up for a team that has one hype man (Jon Jon). Does navigato fire anyone else up when he scores? Boothe is great but has fallen off percentage wise lately, and Im not sure the guy has ever smiled. When JD was here, there was something to cheer about.

I sat in the student section for the NIU and Akron games at home... One was fun, one not so much.

(02-29-2016 03:03 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The blue crew is still the best fan group in the conference... They travel a lot, and stand all game. The rest of the students should be better I agree, but the men havent played particularly well at home in conference play. Its hard to get up for a team that has one hype man (Jon Jon). Does navigato fire anyone else up when he scores? Boothe is great but has fallen off percentage wise lately, and Im not sure the guy has ever smiled. When JD was here, there was something to cheer about.

I sat in the student section for the NIU and Akron games at home... One was fun, one not so much.

JD was something to cheer about maybe twice a game. When he was frantically trying to figure out where he was supposed to be on defense, not so much. Drummond was very solid but not spectacular. Juice was the most consistently exciting. Boo the just happens to be twice the player JD was. Percentages drop when you get doubled and often tripled every touch. I'll watch Boothe over Weatherspoon anytime. And, yeah, Navigato and Sanford fire up the team-bench leaps to their feet every time those guys shoot. Students of the game, if not students of the university, should be pretty excited- playing near the level of last year and waaaaaay above expectations.

(02-29-2016 04:00 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 03:03 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The blue crew is still the best fan group in the conference... They travel a lot, and stand all game. The rest of the students should be better I agree, but the men havent played particularly well at home in conference play. Its hard to get up for a team that has one hype man (Jon Jon). Does navigato fire anyone else up when he scores? Boothe is great but has fallen off percentage wise lately, and Im not sure the guy has ever smiled. When JD was here, there was something to cheer about.

I sat in the student section for the NIU and Akron games at home... One was fun, one not so much.

JD was something to cheer about maybe twice a game. When he was frantically trying to figure out where he was supposed to be on defense, not so much. Drummond was very solid but not spectacular. Juice was the most consistently exciting. Boo the just happens to be twice the player JD was. Percentages drop when you get doubled and often tripled every touch. I'll watch Boothe over Weatherspoon anytime. And, yeah, Navigato and Sanford fire up the team-bench leaps to their feet every time those guys shoot. Students of the game, if not students of the university, should be pretty excited- playing near the level of last year and waaaaaay above expectations.

I get very excited, but I am not the student body. I have an account on a sports forum and spend my weekends at Kent State or NIU if the rockets are playing. Yes I drove to Dekalb for the women this weekend...

Dunks get the average student pumped up. Boothe's turn around 15 foot J does not. Especially when he doesnt play to the crowd or get very fired up after he scores. Fans like cocky players that wave the 3 after knocking one down, or wave their arms to get the crowd into it. I like scoring points no matter how they come, but I wont deny its fun when our fans are juiced.

(02-29-2016 04:41 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 04:00 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 03:03 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The blue crew is still the best fan group in the conference... They travel a lot, and stand all game. The rest of the students should be better I agree, but the men havent played particularly well at home in conference play. Its hard to get up for a team that has one hype man (Jon Jon). Does navigato fire anyone else up when he scores? Boothe is great but has fallen off percentage wise lately, and Im not sure the guy has ever smiled. When JD was here, there was something to cheer about.

I sat in the student section for the NIU and Akron games at home... One was fun, one not so much.

JD was something to cheer about maybe twice a game. When he was frantically trying to figure out where he was supposed to be on defense, not so much. Drummond was very solid but not spectacular. Juice was the most consistently exciting. Boo the just happens to be twice the player JD was. Percentages drop when you get doubled and often tripled every touch. I'll watch Boothe over Weatherspoon anytime. And, yeah, Navigato and Sanford fire up the team-bench leaps to their feet every time those guys shoot. Students of the game, if not students of the university, should be pretty excited- playing near the level of last year and waaaaaay above expectations.

I get very excited, but I am not the student body. I have an account on a sports forum and spend my weekends at Kent State or NIU if the rockets are playing. Yes I drove to Dekalb for the women this weekend...

Dunks get the average student pumped up. Boothe's turn around 15 foot J does not. Especially when he doesnt play to the crowd or get very fired up after he scores. Fans like cocky players that wave the 3 after knocking one down, or wave their arms to get the crowd into it. I like scoring points no matter how they come, but I wont deny its fun when our fans are juiced.

Not one dunk or show-off three vs CMI and the whole place was stomping their feet and screaming at times. I agree w you to an extent but lots of people get jacked over good ball movement resulting in a back-door layup or lockout three,

(02-29-2016 02:43 PM)toledobrad Wrote:  UT's student section is pathetic. Actually, most of the people that sit in the student section, aren't students. It's older people and little kids. It's difficult to create an exciting atmosphere when the students don't give a damn.

I don't disagree with you. But I bet if the ushers start checking IDs at the student section, then the non-students will b!tch about them checking. Even thought the last 2 (maybe 3?) home games, UT sold GA seats in the bleachers for $6.

And I sit in the lower level and rarely cheer or scream. I do a lot of clapping, but almost never yell or cheer. It's just the way I am at every sporting event.

(02-29-2016 04:46 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 04:41 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 04:00 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 03:03 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The blue crew is still the best fan group in the conference... They travel a lot, and stand all game. The rest of the students should be better I agree, but the men havent played particularly well at home in conference play. Its hard to get up for a team that has one hype man (Jon Jon). Does navigato fire anyone else up when he scores? Boothe is great but has fallen off percentage wise lately, and Im not sure the guy has ever smiled. When JD was here, there was something to cheer about.

I sat in the student section for the NIU and Akron games at home... One was fun, one not so much.

JD was something to cheer about maybe twice a game. When he was frantically trying to figure out where he was supposed to be on defense, not so much. Drummond was very solid but not spectacular. Juice was the most consistently exciting. Boo the just happens to be twice the player JD was. Percentages drop when you get doubled and often tripled every touch. I'll watch Boothe over Weatherspoon anytime. And, yeah, Navigato and Sanford fire up the team-bench leaps to their feet every time those guys shoot. Students of the game, if not students of the university, should be pretty excited- playing near the level of last year and waaaaaay above expectations.

I get very excited, but I am not the student body. I have an account on a sports forum and spend my weekends at Kent State or NIU if the rockets are playing. Yes I drove to Dekalb for the women this weekend...

Dunks get the average student pumped up. Boothe's turn around 15 foot J does not. Especially when he doesnt play to the crowd or get very fired up after he scores. Fans like cocky players that wave the 3 after knocking one down, or wave their arms to get the crowd into it. I like scoring points no matter how they come, but I wont deny its fun when our fans are juiced.

Not one dunk or show-off three vs CMI and the whole place was stomping their feet and screaming at times. I agree w you to an extent but lots of people get jacked over good ball movement resulting in a back-door layup or lockout three,

Then why is there a thread about our lack of student involvement?? I was in Dekalb so I missed the mens game Saturday. But I am still betting we did not have a large stand up student section, constantly doing cheers like a lot of schools do who we see play on Espn or espn2 during the year. If you have a 17-12 MAC team that has only one energizer bunny with no electric dunks... A student section like that at Cameron Indoor will not emerge. Like someone else said on here, we also have football at UT and we are not a college town so students arent obligated to go to games like those at a school like OU. What are we doing wrong?

(02-29-2016 02:04 PM)Basketball Jones Wrote:  While I agree that the Adult Season Ticket Holders sitting in the lower bowl, which I am one of, are not the most verbal during the games, I think it is up to the students to create a "home court" atmosphere to get the team and the rest of the crowd amped up. If you look around college basketball, the students are the ones that lead the way in creating a home court advantage. While more UT students are coming to the Men's games, I just don't see them getting too excited and I think that has played a part in the Rockets losing multiple home games over the past several years based on the talent they have. I am not absolving the coaches or players for the home record, but I do think the students and other fans need to show more enthusiasm during the games other than when the cheerleaders are throwing T-Shirts into the crowd. I'm not sure what the remedy is, but we need to do something to make Savage Arena a more intimidating place for our opponents to play in.

I think if they make the east lower bowl GA like they do for the women you will see a better more boisterous crowd for the men. Then you can raise prices or convert to reserved.
The women now are able to have reserved seats on the east side lower bowl because they established a fan base with lower bowl GA tickets over the years....and a couple good NIT runs.

We need a year where everything comes together...i.e a few big non conference wins (some at home), a 25 win regular season, a MAC tourney championship, and maybe a sweet 16 appearance.

That would build a lot of excitement heading into the following season and perhaps would entice more students to show up and get loud