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Who survives? ACC or Big 12?
What needs to happen for either conference to survive in place of the other?

Can we safely assume Oklahoma leaving the Big 12 puts the final nail in the coffin for that league?

Is there a path for Florida State and Clemson to leave the ACC sooner than later?
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(02-28-2016 01:49 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  What needs to happen for either conference to survive in place of the other?

Can we safely assume Oklahoma leaving the Big 12 puts the final nail in the coffin for that league?

Is there a path for Florida State and Clemson to leave the ACC sooner than later?

This sounds like MHver3's tweets this weekend. What I don't get is all the WVU twitter guys seem to think Texas has all of a sudden agreed to switching the LHN over to a B12N while still being made whole. I haven't seen one public comment from Texas indicating they would be willing to do such a thing. Now, I can believe that OU and WVU made the threat to leave if Boren's three requirements were not met. that's perfectly within reason giving the public jesting.

As for Alltide's question, the conference, ACC or B12, to get a network first will survive. If neither look to get a network going, then I expect OU to leave the B12 and we'll see how the dominos land after that. If the GOR is rendered with teeth due to having a conference network within place by a certain date as the compensation for the granting of those rights, then any ACC school looking to leave has a way out as long as there is not ACCN on the horizon.
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(02-28-2016 03:06 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(02-28-2016 01:49 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  What needs to happen for either conference to survive in place of the other?

Can we safely assume Oklahoma leaving the Big 12 puts the final nail in the coffin for that league?

Is there a path for Florida State and Clemson to leave the ACC sooner than later?

This sounds like MHver3's tweets this weekend. What I don't get is all the WVU twitter guys seem to think Texas has all of a sudden agreed to switching the LHN over to a B12N while still being made whole. I haven't seen one public comment from Texas indicating they would be willing to do such a thing. Now, I can believe that OU and WVU made the threat to leave if Boren's three requirements were not met. that's perfectly within reason giving the public jesting.

As for Alltide's question, the conference, ACC or B12, to get a network first will survive. If neither look to get a network going, then I expect OU to leave the B12 and we'll see how the dominos land after that. If the GOR is rendered with teeth due to having a conference network within place by a certain date as the compensation for the granting of those rights, then any ACC school looking to leave has a way out as long as there is not ACCN on the horizon.

How about neither? FOX has the majority stake in the BTN. ESPN has the SECN. The best way to finally kill off the Big 12 is for FOX and ESPN to collaborate on a PACN revamp. Show me how to build a competitive conference out of the ACC? If the goal is to increase football revenue show me how?

The ACC was constructed by ESPN by adding Southern Independents from Florida to try to gain them markets and by taking on the Old Big East in the North to do the same. The old core doesn't care about football and neither does their alumni, or most of the people who live within their footprint. In fact most of the people who live within their footprint that do care about college football are either Big 10 alums or SEC alums.

ESPN tried to graft Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Notre Dame onto them and the old core rebelled for fear of losing control. In business when you hit a major snag you bypass them. By not giving them a network they are being bypassed. It's just a matter of time before global and national economic issues and the monetary disparity do their work.

As for the Big 12 there is no acceptable logistical answer to their problem and there are no solid candidates beyond B.Y.U. which is a good distance away and has issues surrounding their own network.

The two GOR's expire in 2025 give or take a year. If neither has a network by then then the best thing for the networks will happen. They can take the strongest brands from those two and place them as they see fit.

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and perhaps B.Y.U. finally go to the PAC where ESPN & FOX split their content.

From the ACC the picture is murkier. But Boston College, Pitt, Syracuse and Notre Dame give Delany everything he would want in the Northeast. Then if the Big 10 gets a Virginia and North Carolina team the Big 10 gets the two states they want.

Ditto for the SEC with regards to Virginia and North Carolina. Add Florida State, Clemson, and then two of Miami, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Baylor, and T.C.U. and you are done. If we land UNC, UVa, and Duke then you just pick one of those.

Now you have three conferences of 4 divisions of 5. The CFP is the three conference champs and the school left with the best overall record.

Each conference's network is offered in a cable bundle or available for purchase singularly. As it stands now you have two very strong conferences and three laggards. The P3 is the only way to have three relatively compatible and comparable conferences which are regionally identifiable where minor sports won't be that expensive to play due to travel.
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RE: Who survives? ACC or Big 12?
3 to 5 teams will leave the Big 12. But the Big 12 will not go away. In fact. I actually believe they could become a stronger conference with the subtraction.
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(02-28-2016 06:57 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  3 to 5 teams will leave the Big 12. But the Big 12 will not go away. In fact. I actually believe they could become a stronger conference with the subtraction.

The B12 is still a benefit to Texas. It'll still be around in some shape or form. Besides, the on field products in their money sports are still very good.

I could see three teams leaving the B12, but I don't see anymore than that unless Texas went independent. Not sure how happy UT would be to add more G5 schools to their conference.
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(02-28-2016 06:57 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  3 to 5 teams will leave the Big 12. But the Big 12 will not go away. In fact. I actually believe they could become a stronger conference with the subtraction.

They will survive, and will not have to fight Texas and OU anymore to expand with cincy types, but they will not be a power conference. More like the ACC and Mountain West.
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(02-28-2016 08:38 AM)JRsec Wrote:  How about neither? FOX has the majority stake in the BTN. ESPN has the SECN. The best way to finally kill off the Big 12 is for FOX and ESPN to collaborate on a PACN revamp.

Would they really collaborate on a project like that though?

How would they go about doing it? Splitting the network's share of the revenue 50/50 while the PAC gets the other half? What would ESPN do with the LHN? Would they continue to share 1st and 2nd Tier rights for the conference given the two's ability to shift content around through all 3 layers? Would the PAC go for it being they could be tied down to 2 masters rather than having one partner?

I think BYU would fit in the PAC just fine, but I seriously doubt the league would take them. They are awfully prejudiced against religious institutions out there.

I could see maybe this?

Texas, Texas Tech, Houston, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State.

Florida State, Clemson, NC State, Virginia Tech, TCU, and West Virginia to the SEC?

Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Syracuse, and Boston College to the B1G?

Schools like Baylor, Louisville, Miami, Wake Forest, and Pittsburgh could join a revamped American.

West: BYU, Colorado State, Tulsa, SMU, Baylor, Tulane
North: Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Temple, UConn
East: Miami, UCF, USF, Wake Forest, East Carolina, Navy

It probably wouldn't be quite strong enough to be considered a true power conference, but it would serve as a cheap alternative to placing so many other schools in higher paying leagues.

Perhaps then Notre Dame would affiliate with the Big East. They could then be free to have football scheduling agreements with multiple conferences.
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(03-01-2016 01:58 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(02-28-2016 08:38 AM)JRsec Wrote:  How about neither? FOX has the majority stake in the BTN. ESPN has the SECN. The best way to finally kill off the Big 12 is for FOX and ESPN to collaborate on a PACN revamp.

Would they really collaborate on a project like that though?

How would they go about doing it? Splitting the network's share of the revenue 50/50 while the PAC gets the other half? What would ESPN do with the LHN? Would they continue to share 1st and 2nd Tier rights for the conference given the two's ability to shift content around through all 3 layers? Would the PAC go for it being they could be tied down to 2 masters rather than having one partner?

I think BYU would fit in the PAC just fine, but I seriously doubt the league would take them. They are awfully prejudiced against religious institutions out there.

I could see maybe this?

Texas, Texas Tech, Houston, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State.

Florida State, Clemson, NC State, Virginia Tech, TCU, and West Virginia to the SEC?

Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Syracuse, and Boston College to the B1G?

Schools like Baylor, Louisville, Miami, Wake Forest, and Pittsburgh could join a revamped American.

West: BYU, Colorado State, Tulsa, SMU, Baylor, Tulane
North: Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Temple, UConn
East: Miami, UCF, USF, Wake Forest, East Carolina, Navy

It probably wouldn't be quite strong enough to be considered a true power conference, but it would serve as a cheap alternative to placing so many other schools in higher paying leagues.

Perhaps then Notre Dame would affiliate with the Big East. They could then be free to have football scheduling agreements with multiple conferences.

Why? For both to gain a stake in something they own nothing in at the time. With their help the PACN could gain carriage and with it everyone profits.
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Who survives? ACC or Big 12?
They best way to save the networks, ESPN & Fox, the most money would be to put Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas & Oklahoma State in the PAC & Notre Dame & WV in the ACC. The cost to the PAC would be a piece of their network which would actually make it profitable. ND & WV in the ACC would be enough to start an ACCN. Whatever little bump they have to give the conferences would be paid for out of the new conference networks profits, or even the money saved by consolidating. This way they don't have to bump anyone up to the SEC/B1G level & they create a new revenue source, the PACN & ACCN, while dropping 5 teams down to the G5 pay level. No G5 are called up & we have a P4.

While this may be good for the networks, I'm sure that the B1G & the SEC would be upset. Thoughts?
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(03-02-2016 07:12 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  They best way to save the networks, ESPN & Fox, the most money would be to put Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas & Oklahoma State in the PAC & Notre Dame & WV in the ACC. The cost to the PAC would be a piece of their network which would actually make it profitable. ND & WV in the ACC would be enough to start an ACCN. Whatever little bump they have to give the conferences would be paid for out of the new conference networks profits, or even the money saved by consolidating. This way they don't have to bump anyone up to the SEC/B1G level & they create a new revenue source, the PACN & ACCN, while dropping 5 teams down to the G5 pay level. No G5 are called up & we have a P4.

While this may be good for the networks, I'm sure that the B1G & the SEC would be upset. Thoughts?
I think the latter is a given. But I do agree it would bring more balance. But it won't happen. Texas and Oklahoma both know that where ever they choose to go they can help to create the new economic advantage. They will act in their self interest and that won't include the PAC unless all of their little brothers could tag along.
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It has to be the ACC that goes by the way side or we stay at 5 leagues and probably a wide revenue disparity between BIG, SEC & everyone else.

1. There is not enough football power in the ACC for it to survive. Yes, FSU and Clemson are solid teams but after that it drops off significantly. They also are nice secondary brands but are not the blue bloods every other league has.
B1G-OSU, Mich., PSU, Neb?(probably now a secondary brand), but then they have secondary brands of Neb./MSU/Wisconsin
SEC-Alabama, Florida? but look at the secondary brands: LSU, Texas A&M, Tn., Georgia, Auburn and even schools that are not what I would call top secondary schools really care about their football and have a passion for it Arkansas, SC, Miss/Miss St/ Missouri(improving)
Big 12- Texas & OU
PAC 12 USC, secondary brands UCLA, Oregon, Stanford(lately)

The only solution to the ACC is bringing Texas and adding ND and if so how many people does Texas want to bring? I say 3 partners at the least. Unless it includes bringing OU they still are weaker than the SEC & B1G. Most feel OU to the SEC would be more likely and Texas will have risked everything by giving up A&M and OU and another past regional rival Arkansas being in the SEC. Why wouldn't Texas & OU make the ACC schools come to their conference? Why would Texas shift its political power to Tobacco road and give over the future of their football program to a basketball centered league, hot happening.

Yes, the Big 12 may very likely have to wait for the B1G & SEC to carve up the ACC but we will get a good idea of the future revenue disparity with the B1G tv deal this summer. I believe Texas would fold the LHN into a Big 12 network with the right additions from SEC schools. Nobody can deny a Big 12 with FSU, Clemson, Miami, Ga. Tech, Louisville and one other is a quality league. My guess is ND finally casts its lot with the B1G someday but there is an outside chance this Big 12 would give ND the wider reach into states it needs for football recruiting with Georgia, Florida, Texas.

It is also very hard to make both the B1G & SEC winners by disolving the Big 12 and not the ACC. It is either the B1G or the SEC wins unless you try and give the SEC FSU & Clemson which doubles up on states and gives Texas no reason to come to the ACC because the football product was just destroyed.

If the ACC survives my guess is in a conference that becomes a G5 equivalent in football and a power conference in basketball.
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RE: Who survives? ACC or Big 12?
I think the answer is "both" in a combined conference of the "left over" pieces.

So what are the leftover pieces?
I'd say Kansas and Oklahoma are the first ones out of the Big 12, leaving eight. OK to SEC, Kansas to Big 10.

From the ACC: Virginia Tech, Virginia, UNC, Duke, and possibly FSU and Georgia Tech are all realistic pieces to move on, leaving eight in the ACC.

FSU and one Virginia school and one NC school to SEC
Georgia Tech and one Virginia school and one NC school to Big 10

(Thus Big 10 and SEC are 18 team conferences)

That gives two eight team divisions for a 16 team Big Atlantic or Atlantic 12 or whatever they will call the new conference.

If Pac-12 does takes Texas+extras, then the new league could still take Houston, Cincy, UConn, Memphis, BYU, etc. If the new conference wanted to go to 18 teams they could take any of those or shift WVU to the "Atlantic" side and pull in CSU or someone similar.
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(04-04-2016 02:17 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  I think the answer is "both" in a combined conference of the "left over" pieces.

So what are the leftover pieces?
I'd say Kansas and Oklahoma are the first ones out of the Big 12, leaving eight. OK to SEC, Kansas to Big 10.

From the ACC: Virginia Tech, Virginia, UNC, Duke, and possibly FSU and Georgia Tech are all realistic pieces to move on, leaving eight in the ACC.

FSU and one Virginia school and one NC school to SEC
Georgia Tech and one Virginia school and one NC school to Big 10

(Thus Big 10 and SEC are 18 team conferences)

That gives two eight team divisions for a 16 team Big Atlantic or Atlantic 12 or whatever they will call the new conference.

If Pac-12 does takes Texas+extras, then the new league could still take Houston, Cincy, UConn, Memphis, BYU, etc. If the new conference wanted to go to 18 teams they could take any of those or shift WVU to the "Atlantic" side and pull in CSU or someone similar.

Texas is not giving up its biggest rival in OU and its past two largest rivals in A&M Arkansas that all play in the SEC to go play a bunch of games on the west coast in the Pacific time zone. OU would have to go with Texas to the PAC 12 for them to go and Texas already turned it down. They will continue to put their effort into making the Big 12 viable long term. I think in the end game, the leagues will want to have 4 semi-even leagues(although I think the PAC 12 is destined to lag due to geography and being professional cities) and not 3 power conferences.
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(04-04-2016 01:42 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  It has to be the ACC that goes by the way side or we stay at 5 leagues and probably a wide revenue disparity between BIG, SEC & everyone else.

1. There is not enough football power in the ACC for it to survive. Yes, FSU and Clemson are solid teams but after that it drops off significantly. They also are nice secondary brands but are not the blue bloods every other league has.
B1G-OSU, Mich., PSU, Neb?(probably now a secondary brand), but then they have secondary brands of Neb./MSU/Wisconsin
SEC-Alabama, Florida? but look at the secondary brands: LSU, Texas A&M, Tn., Georgia, Auburn and even schools that are not what I would call top secondary schools really care about their football and have a passion for it Arkansas, SC, Miss/Miss St/ Missouri(improving)
Big 12- Texas & OU
PAC 12 USC, secondary brands UCLA, Oregon, Stanford(lately)

The only solution to the ACC is bringing Texas and adding ND and if so how many people does Texas want to bring? I say 3 partners at the least. Unless it includes bringing OU they still are weaker than the SEC & B1G. Most feel OU to the SEC would be more likely and Texas will have risked everything by giving up A&M and OU and another past regional rival Arkansas being in the SEC. Why wouldn't Texas & OU make the ACC schools come to their conference? Why would Texas shift its political power to Tobacco road and give over the future of their football program to a basketball centered league, hot happening.

Yes, the Big 12 may very likely have to wait for the B1G & SEC to carve up the ACC but we will get a good idea of the future revenue disparity with the B1G tv deal this summer. I believe Texas would fold the LHN into a Big 12 network with the right additions from SEC schools. Nobody can deny a Big 12 with FSU, Clemson, Miami, Ga. Tech, Louisville and one other is a quality league. My guess is ND finally casts its lot with the B1G someday but there is an outside chance this Big 12 would give ND the wider reach into states it needs for football recruiting with Georgia, Florida, Texas.

It is also very hard to make both the B1G & SEC winners by disolving the Big 12 and not the ACC. It is either the B1G or the SEC wins unless you try and give the SEC FSU & Clemson which doubles up on states and gives Texas no reason to come to the ACC because the football product was just destroyed.

If the ACC survives my guess is in a conference that becomes a G5 equivalent in football and a power conference in basketball.

Not if they shed a couple of market duplicates in order to land more from the Big 12. For instance if Virginia Tech accompanies Kansas to the Big 10 the Big 10 scores a large state market, a regional football brand and can add Kansas for that AAU school & hoops.

The SEC could add Miami which puts them into a part of Florida they don't reach as well, and add Oklahoma which puts them into DFW.

The ACC can then add Texas, T.C.U., Baylor and Oklahoma State and pick up 30 million rabid viewers.
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(04-04-2016 06:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-04-2016 01:42 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  It has to be the ACC that goes by the way side or we stay at 5 leagues and probably a wide revenue disparity between BIG, SEC & everyone else.

1. There is not enough football power in the ACC for it to survive. Yes, FSU and Clemson are solid teams but after that it drops off significantly. They also are nice secondary brands but are not the blue bloods every other league has.
B1G-OSU, Mich., PSU, Neb?(probably now a secondary brand), but then they have secondary brands of Neb./MSU/Wisconsin
SEC-Alabama, Florida? but look at the secondary brands: LSU, Texas A&M, Tn., Georgia, Auburn and even schools that are not what I would call top secondary schools really care about their football and have a passion for it Arkansas, SC, Miss/Miss St/ Missouri(improving)
Big 12- Texas & OU
PAC 12 USC, secondary brands UCLA, Oregon, Stanford(lately)

The only solution to the ACC is bringing Texas and adding ND and if so how many people does Texas want to bring? I say 3 partners at the least. Unless it includes bringing OU they still are weaker than the SEC & B1G. Most feel OU to the SEC would be more likely and Texas will have risked everything by giving up A&M and OU and another past regional rival Arkansas being in the SEC. Why wouldn't Texas & OU make the ACC schools come to their conference? Why would Texas shift its political power to Tobacco road and give over the future of their football program to a basketball centered league, hot happening.

Yes, the Big 12 may very likely have to wait for the B1G & SEC to carve up the ACC but we will get a good idea of the future revenue disparity with the B1G tv deal this summer. I believe Texas would fold the LHN into a Big 12 network with the right additions from SEC schools. Nobody can deny a Big 12 with FSU, Clemson, Miami, Ga. Tech, Louisville and one other is a quality league. My guess is ND finally casts its lot with the B1G someday but there is an outside chance this Big 12 would give ND the wider reach into states it needs for football recruiting with Georgia, Florida, Texas.

It is also very hard to make both the B1G & SEC winners by disolving the Big 12 and not the ACC. It is either the B1G or the SEC wins unless you try and give the SEC FSU & Clemson which doubles up on states and gives Texas no reason to come to the ACC because the football product was just destroyed.

If the ACC survives my guess is in a conference that becomes a G5 equivalent in football and a power conference in basketball.

Not if they shed a couple of market duplicates in order to land more from the Big 12. For instance if Virginia Tech accompanies Kansas to the Big 10 the Big 10 scores a large state market, a regional football brand and can add Kansas for that AAU school & hoops.

The SEC could add Miami which puts them into a part of Florida they don't reach as well, and add Oklahoma which puts them into DFW.

The ACC can then add Texas, T.C.U., Baylor and Oklahoma State and pick up 30 million rabid viewers.

If your saying Texas would be a full conference member, do you really think Texas is going to give up its political power to Tobacco Road. You think they are joining a basketball centered conference that just lost its best football team? Not happening.

If they are a partial member there is a lot of problems with potential access to the playoffs, and I have not seen a lot of evidence Texas wants to be an independent.
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Who survives? ACC or Big 12?
Besides the PAC the ACC is potentially the only conference willing to take friends with Texas & Oklahoma. Those two join the ACC with Oklahoma St & Baylor. The SEC takes TCU & WV. The B1G gets Kansas & VT. ND fills in VT spot.

The B1G & the SEC break into a 4x4 while the ACC breaks into a 3x6.

Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Baylor, ND, Pittsburgh

FSU, Clemson, Louisville, Syracuse, NC State, WF

Miami, GT, NC, Duke, Virginia, BC
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(04-04-2016 09:11 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Besides the PAC the ACC is potentially the only conference willing to take friends with Texas & Oklahoma. Those two join the ACC with Oklahoma St & Baylor. The SEC takes TCU & WV. The B1G gets Kansas & VT. ND fills in VT spot.

The B1G & the SEC break into a 4x4 while the ACC breaks into a 3x6.

Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Baylor, ND, Pittsburgh

FSU, Clemson, Louisville, Syracuse, NC State, WF

Miami, GT, NC, Duke, Virginia, BC

Lenville if all the SEC had for options were T.C.U. & WVU while the Big 10 gets Virginia Tech and Kansas we would blow the deal to hell and back just like North Carolina did.
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RE: Who survives? ACC or Big 12?
The SEC won't take leftovers. The Big Ten won't take leftovers. The people running the ACC aren't going to give up schools for the sake of gaining members in the Midwest and Texas. There are various reasons why any of these moves might make sense in a vacuum, but it's not in any way ideal for any of the participants.

We're at an impasse or something along these lines would have happened already.

The league most in danger of imploding at the end of the GOR is the Big 12. Every member that could get out of that league last time around did get out. The only 2 additions were in danger of being left out of a power conference altogether. None of their fundamental problems have been solved as of yet.

The ACC is weak, but most of the schools want to stay together. That's really the only logical reason I can think of why the power players in that league signed their GOR. That leads me to think the ACC will stay together for the long haul even though there are compelling reasons not to do so.

I think what may happen is that someone's going to win and someone's going to lose when it comes to snagging the powers of the Big 12 when the time comes.
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Who survives? ACC or Big 12?
(04-04-2016 10:52 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The SEC won't take leftovers. The Big Ten won't take leftovers. The people running the ACC aren't going to give up schools for the sake of gaining members in the Midwest and Texas. There are various reasons why any of these moves might make sense in a vacuum, but it's not in any way ideal for any of the participants.

We're at an impasse or something along these lines would have happened already.

The league most in danger of imploding at the end of the GOR is the Big 12. Every member that could get out of that league last time around did get out. The only 2 additions were in danger of being left out of a power conference altogether. None of their fundamental problems have been solved as of yet.

The ACC is weak, but most of the schools want to stay together. That's really the only logical reason I can think of why the power players in that league signed their GOR. That leads me to think the ACC will stay together for the long haul even though there are compelling reasons not to do so.

I think what may happen is that someone's going to win and someone's going to lose when it comes to snagging the powers of the Big 12 when the time comes.

Fair assessment.
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RE: Who survives? ACC or Big 12?
(04-04-2016 10:52 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The SEC won't take leftovers. The Big Ten won't take leftovers. The people running the ACC aren't going to give up schools for the sake of gaining members in the Midwest and Texas. There are various reasons why any of these moves might make sense in a vacuum, but it's not in any way ideal for any of the participants.

We're at an impasse or something along these lines would have happened already.

The league most in danger of imploding at the end of the GOR is the Big 12. Every member that could get out of that league last time around did get out. The only 2 additions were in danger of being left out of a power conference altogether. None of their fundamental problems have been solved as of yet.

The ACC is weak, but most of the schools want to stay together. That's really the only logical reason I can think of why the power players in that league signed their GOR. That leads me to think the ACC will stay together for the long haul even though there are compelling reasons not to do so.

I think what may happen is that someone's going to win and someone's going to lose when it comes to snagging the powers of the Big 12 when the time comes.

Agree on all points. The ACC, warts and all, has a great deal of inertia to remain intact. The GOR is evidence that they want to stay together. I also believe that the financial outlook must not have been as dire as the B1G fanboys like to tell everyone who will listen. I have a hard time believing that the presidents would sign up for financial suicide.
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