This system has produced 1) a self-serving criminal 2) an ancient hippie 3) an inelegant reality show star 4) a barking chihuahua and 5) The Penguin.

Why exactly is it worth arguing which one wins?

The system has already failed.

What a joke!

The GOP establishment really are the worst slime you could imagine. They are the real enemy.

(02-28-2016 12:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  What a joke!

The GOP establishment really are the worst slime you could imagine. They are the real enemy.

No, the GOP establishment has been corrupted by their consultants and lobbyists and their strategy over the last 15 years has sucked, but Trump is the real enemy.

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I think the Koch Brothers are better off tossing up the white flag regarding the Republican nomination, and funneling in all of their efforts towards Mitt Romney running a 3rd Party campaign with someone like Rubio or Kasich as a running mate. That way they're not putting all of their eggs in a basket. Might as well get that ball rolling now.

*that's assuming what's being said in that video is true*

(02-28-2016 12:18 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I think the Koch Brothers are better off tossing up the white flag regarding the Republican nomination, and funneling in all of their efforts towards Mitt Romney running a 3rd Party campaign with someone like Rubio or Kasich as a running mate. That way they're not putting all of their eggs in a basket. Might as well get that ball rolling now.

*that's assuming what's being said in that video is true*

If anyone tries to hijack Trump in any way other than the ballot box...the Republicans will lose that part of their base for a generation.

An independent run will elect Hillary and the Trump supporters will revenge on Republican downstream candidates.

They'll burn their house down.

(02-28-2016 12:35 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 12:18 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I think the Koch Brothers are better off tossing up the white flag regarding the Republican nomination, and funneling in all of their efforts towards Mitt Romney running a 3rd Party campaign with someone like Rubio or Kasich as a running mate. That way they're not putting all of their eggs in a basket. Might as well get that ball rolling now.

*that's assuming what's being said in that video is true*

If anyone tries to hijack Trump in any way other than the ballot box...the Republicans will lose that part of their base for a generation.

An independent run will elect Hillary and the Trump supporters will revenge on Republican downstream candidates.

They'll burn their house down.

This

A back-alley deal will have me vote Democrat until the GOP is dead.

Hell, the GOP as it is today does need to die. It's a corrupt organization.

(02-28-2016 12:35 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 12:18 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I think the Koch Brothers are better off tossing up the white flag regarding the Republican nomination, and funneling in all of their efforts towards Mitt Romney running a 3rd Party campaign with someone like Rubio or Kasich as a running mate. That way they're not putting all of their eggs in a basket. Might as well get that ball rolling now.

*that's assuming what's being said in that video is true*

If anyone tries to hijack Trump in any way other than the ballot box...the Republicans will lose that part of their base for a generation.

An independent run will elect Hillary and the Trump supporters will revenge on Republican downstream candidates.

They'll burn their house down.

You got it!

Finally the American people are rising up. Feels good!

(02-28-2016 07:48 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 07:26 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans are f-ing idiots.

That's why I'm a Trumpservative but you just voted for Hilldawg.

But I didn't vote for Hilldawg against Trump, did I? I voted for Hilldawg against Bernie, because I believe that stopping Bernie has to be priority #1 right now. After Bernie's gone, then I can look at Hilldawg versus Trump, and I won't be voting Hilldawg then.

(02-28-2016 09:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 09:33 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 07:26 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans are f-ing idiots.

They are desperate, but not idiots. They have to try what they can. If this man becomes president, say goodbye to our country. This is bigger than winner, loser, stupid, polls, gay marriage, Planned Parenthood, con artist, democrats, and republicans. This has been tried before, many times.
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They are desperate now because they've been idiots in the past.

Republicans had it all going for them after the 1994 elections. Then they let their visceral hatred of all things Clinton get the best of them and they took their eye off the ball to go chasing Monicagate. Bill was a guy they could have worked with. They could have gotten the Heritage health care proposal passed and he would have signed it, and we would never have had to deal with the Obamacare monstrosity. There's a decent chance that we could have gotten bin Laden if everybody had been pulling together. Then GWB got elected promising to cut the size of the federal government and get us out of he nation building business, and proceeded to do a 180 on both. Not surprising, since his father got elected by promising no new taxes and then did a 180 on that. They've gotten totally away from any historic principle of conservatism--small government, balanced budget, minimal intrusion into private lives, maximum personal and economic freedom, minimal involvement in internal affairs of other nations, speak softly but carry a big stick.

GWB totally screwed the pooch, from picking Cheney as his VP to getting into wars that we didn't fight to win and letting them dominate his administration to looking totally helpless as the economy declined. Until republicans repudiate GWB and get back to the historic conservative message, they are doomed, and quite frankly, they deserve to be.

Not one criticism of Democrats in there. Hmm...

(02-28-2016 10:08 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  So far today: Trump has quoted Mussolini, refuses to disavow KKK endorsement, and admitted to hiring illegal immigrants.

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Democrats hire illegals all the dam time, and you want to scold Trump for doing the exact same thing? Only in his case being upfront about it? WTH?!?!

(02-28-2016 06:38 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  The Koch Bros. met with GOP millionaires and billionaires Thursday night to pool together over $75 million to stop Trump and are going to use Mitt Romney as ‘Plan B’ if Rubio fails to gain traction on Super Tuesday, according to moles who were inside the meeting.

What good would that do? Bush, JEB! , spent $100 mil and what did it get him? Give me the $75 mil and I'll give them a vote. Maybe. No, I couldn't. Hell I wouldn't.

If they somehow get Romney they might just as well coronate Hillary now.

(02-28-2016 10:49 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  35% import tax on Mexican border
Trump: Ford announces a few weeks ago that Ford is going to build a $2.5 billion car and truck and parts manufacturing plant in Mexico. I would call up the head of Ford, if I was president, I'd say, "Congratulations. I understand that you're building a nice $2.5 billion car factory in Mexico and that you're going to take your cars and sell them to the US zero tax, just flow them across the border."
And you say to yourself, "How does that help us? Where is that good"? It's not. So I would say, "Let me give you the bad news. Every car and every part manufactured in this plant that comes across the border, we're going to charge you a 35% tax, and that tax is going to be paid simultaneously with the transaction.
Now, if it's not me in the position, here's what's going to happen: They're going to get a call from the donors or from the lobbyist for Ford and say, "I take care of you, and you can't do that to Ford."
I'm using my own money. I'm not using the lobbyists. I'm not using donors. I don't care.
Source: 2015 announcement speeches of 2016 presidential hopefuls , Jun 16, 2015

Maybe this sounds good on the campaign trail, but it cannot work. It is an idle threat for at least two reasons. One, under US law, this action has to be taken by congress, not unilaterally by the president. Maybe he can get congress to do this, maybe not, but if he does then he runs smack up against reason number two. This is illegal under international law. Mexico or Ford or both would file complaints with the WTO and we would be told to stop and sanctioned. Whether or not we complied, but particularly if we did not, we could expect retaliatory actions from other nations. These would almost certainly do more harm that any good we got out of the deal.

What can and will work is a national consumption tax. If we had a 15-20% national consumption tax, then we could tack that 15-20% onto the cost of everything that comes in, from not just Mexico but anywhere. We would also be able to "subsidize" with what would probably be a refund of 10-15% of the price for all export sales. And under international law this would does not count as a tariff, so WHO would have no say in the matter.

Now 15-20% is not 35%, and maybe that wouldn't get Ford's attention, but there are lots of cases where it would make a huge difference.

It's getting truly desperate. The fools are doing everything imaginable to stop Trump. He's still walking away with it. The nasty and desperate attacks do more to debase those repeating them and throwing them out there than it does Trump.

I can't wait to dance on the grave of the warped GOP.

It's going to be Trump Tuesday.

(02-28-2016 01:45 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 10:08 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  So far today: Trump has quoted Mussolini, refuses to disavow KKK endorsement, and admitted to hiring illegal immigrants.

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Democrats hire illegals all the dam time, and you want to scold Trump for doing the exact same thing? Only in his case being upfront about it? WTH?!?!

Hypocrisy on display.

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(02-28-2016 01:42 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 09:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 09:33 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 07:26 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans are f-ing idiots.

They are desperate, but not idiots. They have to try what they can. If this man becomes president, say goodbye to our country. This is bigger than winner, loser, stupid, polls, gay marriage, Planned Parenthood, con artist, democrats, and republicans. This has been tried before, many times.
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They are desperate now because they've been idiots in the past.
Republicans had it all going for them after the 1994 elections. Then they let their visceral hatred of all things Clinton get the best of them and they took their eye off the ball to go chasing Monicagate. Bill was a guy they could have worked with. They could have gotten the Heritage health care proposal passed and he would have signed it, and we would never have had to deal with the Obamacare monstrosity. There's a decent chance that we could have gotten bin Laden if everybody had been pulling together. Then GWB got elected promising to cut the size of the federal government and get us out of he nation building business, and proceeded to do a 180 on both. Not surprising, since his father got elected by promising no new taxes and then did a 180 on that. They've gotten totally away from any historic principle of conservatism--small government, balanced budget, minimal intrusion into private lives, maximum personal and economic freedom, minimal involvement in internal affairs of other nations, speak softly but carry a big stick.
GWB totally screwed the pooch, from picking Cheney as his VP to getting into wars that we didn't fight to win and letting them dominate his administration to looking totally helpless as the economy declined. Until republicans repudiate GWB and get back to the historic conservative message, they are doomed, and quite frankly, they deserve to be.

Not one criticism of Democrats in there. Hmm...

That wasn't the subject matter. I have plenty of criticisms of democrats--starting with being socialists/communists--if that were the subject at hand. My problem is that republicans are the alternative that the system gives us, and they are f-ing idiots. Stupid party versus evil party. And I don't call democrats the evil party because they don't have anything worth criticizing.

I want republicans to get back to the historic conservative message--limited government, balanced budget, maximum personal and economic freedom, minimum taxes, welfare as a safety net and not a redistributive entitlement, all people should live but those who work should live better than those who don't work, speak softly but carry a big stick, treat our friends better than we treat our enemies, don't interfere in internal matters of other foreign states, and never fight a war that we don't intend to win. I have no hope that any democrat will ever say anything like any of that, but what I find incredibly frustrating is that no republican is, either.

(02-28-2016 01:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 10:49 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  35% import tax on Mexican border
Trump: Ford announces a few weeks ago that Ford is going to build a $2.5 billion car and truck and parts manufacturing plant in Mexico. I would call up the head of Ford, if I was president, I'd say, "Congratulations. I understand that you're building a nice $2.5 billion car factory in Mexico and that you're going to take your cars and sell them to the US zero tax, just flow them across the border."
And you say to yourself, "How does that help us? Where is that good"? It's not. So I would say, "Let me give you the bad news. Every car and every part manufactured in this plant that comes across the border, we're going to charge you a 35% tax, and that tax is going to be paid simultaneously with the transaction.
Now, if it's not me in the position, here's what's going to happen: They're going to get a call from the donors or from the lobbyist for Ford and say, "I take care of you, and you can't do that to Ford."
I'm using my own money. I'm not using the lobbyists. I'm not using donors. I don't care.
Source: 2015 announcement speeches of 2016 presidential hopefuls , Jun 16, 2015

Maybe this sounds good on the campaign trail, but it cannot work. It is an idle threat for at least two reasons. One, under US law, this action has to be taken by congress, not unilaterally by the president. Maybe he can get congress to do this, maybe not, but if he does then he runs smack up against reason number two. This is illegal under international law. Mexico or Ford or both would file complaints with the WTO and we would be told to stop and sanctioned. Whether or not we complied, but particularly if we did not, we could expect retaliatory actions from other nations. These would almost certainly do more harm that any good we got out of the deal.

What can and will work is a national consumption tax. If we had a 15-20% national consumption tax, then we could tack that 15-20% onto the cost of everything that comes in, from not just Mexico but anywhere. We would also be able to "subsidize" with what would probably be a refund of 10-15% of the price for all export sales. And under international law this would does not count as a tariff, so WHO would have no say in the matter.

Now 15-20% is not 35%, and maybe that wouldn't get Ford's attention, but there are lots of cases where it would make a huge difference.

Yes, he can do it almost entirely on his own. It requires 2/3 to reject it with fast track.

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(02-28-2016 12:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  What a joke!

The GOP establishment really are the worst slime you could imagine. They are the real enemy.

I agree now. I didn't a few months ago. After the Romney thing and the light shined on the GOP after their Trump meltdown....I am leaning towards Trump just to blow the whole thing up ... as a figure of speech. I would love to see the moneymen and professional pundits and lobbyists lose and not get what they want. MAYBE, the people will finally get some of what they want.

(02-28-2016 09:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 09:34 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 09:15 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 08:20 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-28-2016 08:16 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  They're all for big government. Bernie's for bigger government than anyone else, so knock him out first.
Big government conservative, big government liberal, either way we get screwed.

There is a difference. Trump is an authoritarian. Politics doesn't work any more because people like you are never satisfied with a compromise. That is why we need a dictator to lead us. It's the only way work gets done.

A compromise between two bad ideas is going to be a bad idea. If a dictator has to lead us to get it done, it almost certainly shouldn't be done. I would compromise to get something good done, I've proposed a number of such compromises on here. But I don't see any good compromises being proposed by anyone else and rejected by me. I don't see any being proposed at all.

What compromise has been offered that I--or "people like" me--have not been satisfied with? Who do you think are "people like" me? I haven't seen any willingness for genuine compromise on the part of anyone on any side. Have you? When and how and what was involved?

WTF are you talking about anyway?

to defend some....we stopped caring when the brain started working....most of us are worker bees....some of us use sensei o' humor....some are just fk'n morons

evolution doesn't just jump forward 1(x)k years in collective understanding b/c of colleges and holly-dolly-woods....

now the masses are thumbtappin' monkeys.....there's the How are D Cosell ref o' day...

This isn't a joke, this is serious. Bernie Sanders is a joke. If he won, we'd get 4 years of Larry David and very little government action because he doesn't have any power to get any of his far out ideas implemented. Please read and get educated on what this man you support because you want a 4 year reality show wants to actually do.

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I don't disagree....this isn't a joke.....it's just become one at this point....

some people handle pain in different ways....

when I tell you I'm voting for Trump? I mean it in all sincerity only b/c I see it as the best of the worst electable options....

I'd vote for Kasich in second if I thought he had a chance....

I'll ask once again, name one president that really impacted anything meaningful since Ike....where I sit today, the I-system was America's last great economical/infrastructure/building achievement that helped drive continual prosperity.....I have reminded my father for decades how good they had it and how lucky they were.....he doesn't disagree anymore.....

I love how the GOP's last hope is a freshman senator who sweats a lot.