(02-27-2016 12:42 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 09:28 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 08:28 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Was Shaq suspended by the league or by Pastner?

He was suspended by the league not Pastner. The difference here is that Coach K has a long list of not suspending players over such actions. See Christian Laettner stomping on the Kentucky player in 1992.

Our coach on the other hand CLAIMS to believe in rules yet did nothing.

That wasn't much of a "a long list".

You missed the point. Coach K doesn't go around saying "rules are rules" and "nobody is bigger than the program". The OP as usual was trying to compare Josh to Coach K.

(02-27-2016 12:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  Shaq tripping incident was much worst than either of these.

I disagree. You CAN argue that Allen was actually in the game, making it not as bad. You can also argue that the players that were tripped were actually involved in the play moving/accelerating at full speed, while Shaq's trippee was climbing out of our bench 80 feet behind the play. I'd say they were about the same and Allen did it twice.

(02-27-2016 12:23 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  And the trips are obvious too. The latest happened during the last few seconds when Duke has already won...It was just sheer meanness.

After watching both incidents, I have come to the conclusion that he has frontal lobe damage.

He's only 20 so his frontal lobe probably just isn't fully developed yet.

(02-27-2016 01:10 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 12:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  Shaq tripping incident was much worst than either of these.

I disagree. You CAN argue that Allen was actually in the game, making it not as bad. You can also argue that the players that were tripped were actually involved in the play moving/accelerating at full speed, while Shaq's trippee was climbing out of our bench 80 feet behind the play. I'd say they were about the same and Allen did it twice.

I would respectfully disagree.

(02-27-2016 10:36 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 09:59 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The idea of conferences self-policing is laughable. They will always look out for their own self-interest and dole out punishment arbitrarily. Crappy teams will get hammered and contending teams will get free passes.

Just like the NCAA: in 2008 they looked up and saw a final four with

UCLA
North Carolina
Kansas
Memphis


One of these things is not like the others, they must be cheating. Nevermind that North Carolina was in the middle of a 20 year academic scandal. Nevermind that Darrell Arthur probably never graduated high school. Nevermind that UCLA had Sam Gilbert paying players for a decade. Let's punish that renegade school Memphis again so one day their inept coach can talk about vacated sweet 16s when he can't get to one.

And that Kansas was already on NCAA Probation during that Final Four Win. If the NCAA had really dealt with them at that time it would've had to enacted a "Death Penalty".

But the NCAA has certain Sacred Cows ..................

(02-27-2016 01:05 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 12:42 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 09:28 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 08:28 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Was Shaq suspended by the league or by Pastner?

He was suspended by the league not Pastner. The difference here is that Coach K has a long list of not suspending players over such actions. See Christian Laettner stomping on the Kentucky player in 1992.

Our coach on the other hand CLAIMS to believe in rules yet did nothing.

That wasn't much of a "a long list".

You missed the point. Coach K doesn't go around saying "rules are rules" and "nobody is bigger than the program". The OP as usual was trying to compare Josh to Coach K.

hahaha. That is a good one - since I compare Pastner to Krzewqzxqkwshki ALL the time. Predictable bait and switch though.

(02-27-2016 12:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  Shaq tripping incident was much worst than either of these.

How so? Really interested in your perspective that would make Shaq's much worse. Grayson's latest was so blatant and dangerous.

(02-27-2016 09:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 12:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  Shaq tripping incident was much worst than either of these.

How so? Really interested in your perspective that would make Shaq's much worse. Grayson's latest was so blatant and dangerous.

Because Shaq wasn't even in the game. Intent can't be argued. The Grayson incidents were done on the court with both in play. I could see the argument that there was no intent on Grayson's part. I would disagree with that but that argument could be made.
Shaq's was totally blatant with no arguing otherwise.

Why compare something that was stupid to something that was stupider?

Two times Stupider.

(02-27-2016 09:28 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 09:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 12:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  Shaq tripping incident was much worst than either of these.

How so? Really interested in your perspective that would make Shaq's much worse. Grayson's latest was so blatant and dangerous.

Because Shaq wasn't even in the game. Intent can't be argued. The Grayson incidents were done on the court with both in play. I could see the argument that there was no intent on Grayson's part. I would disagree with that but that argument could be made.
Shaq's was totally blatant with no arguing otherwise.

I dont get your point about intent and Grayson. Watching the videos it was pretty obvious he did both intentionally.

(02-27-2016 10:01 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 09:28 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 09:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 12:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  Shaq tripping incident was much worst than either of these.

How so? Really interested in your perspective that would make Shaq's much worse. Grayson's latest was so blatant and dangerous.

Because Shaq wasn't even in the game. Intent can't be argued. The Grayson incidents were done on the court with both in play. I could see the argument that there was no intent on Grayson's part. I would disagree with that but that argument could be made.
Shaq's was totally blatant with no arguing otherwise.

I dont get your point about intent and Grayson. Watching the videos it was pretty obvious he did both intentionally.

My point is that Shaq wasn't even in the game when he tripped the guy. He was on the bench. To me that makes his incident much worse.

(02-27-2016 10:06 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 10:01 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 09:28 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 09:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 12:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  Shaq tripping incident was much worst than either of these.

How so? Really interested in your perspective that would make Shaq's much worse. Grayson's latest was so blatant and dangerous.

Because Shaq wasn't even in the game. Intent can't be argued. The Grayson incidents were done on the court with both in play. I could see the argument that there was no intent on Grayson's part. I would disagree with that but that argument could be made.
Shaq's was totally blatant with no arguing otherwise.

I dont get your point about intent and Grayson. Watching the videos it was pretty obvious he did both intentionally.

My point is that Shaq wasn't even in the game when he tripped the guy. He was on the bench. To me that makes his incident much worse.

Your prerogative. I think they're both equally boneheaded. Just dirty plays to try to make the opponent look bad. To me, Grayson's first is much worse because it appears he was trying to actually hurt the guy. Shaq was not because he never took it to that level when he easily could have.

To argue that either of Grayson's were accidental is very naive.

(02-27-2016 10:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 10:06 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 10:01 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 09:28 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 09:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  How so? Really interested in your perspective that would make Shaq's much worse. Grayson's latest was so blatant and dangerous.

Because Shaq wasn't even in the game. Intent can't be argued. The Grayson incidents were done on the court with both in play. I could see the argument that there was no intent on Grayson's part. I would disagree with that but that argument could be made.
Shaq's was totally blatant with no arguing otherwise.

I dont get your point about intent and Grayson. Watching the videos it was pretty obvious he did both intentionally.

My point is that Shaq wasn't even in the game when he tripped the guy. He was on the bench. To me that makes his incident much worse.

Your prerogative. I think they're both equally boneheaded. Just dirty plays to try to make the opponent look bad. To me, Grayson's first is much worse because it appears he was trying to actually hurt the guy. Shaq was not because he never took it to that level when he easily could have.

To argue that either of Grayson's were accidental is very naive.

I'm not saying that it was accidental at all but it could be argued. Shaq was on the bench and his intent can't be argued at all.
I agree with you that they were both boneheaded for sure. Shaq however has no defense at all.

(02-27-2016 10:36 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 09:59 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The idea of conferences self-policing is laughable. They will always look out for their own self-interest and dole out punishment arbitrarily. Crappy teams will get hammered and contending teams will get free passes.

Just like the NCAA: in 2008 they looked up and saw a final four with

UCLA
North Carolina
Kansas
Memphis


One of these things is not like the others, they must be cheating. Nevermind that North Carolina was in the middle of a 20 year academic scandal. Nevermind that Darrell Arthur probably never graduated high school. Nevermind that UCLA had Sam Gilbert paying players for a decade. Let's punish that renegade school Memphis again so one day their inept coach can talk about vacated sweet 16s when he can't get to one.

I remember Whinebooger incessantly talking every day about how there were no great teams in 08 in the Final Four.

All #1 seeds were in the Final Four. It could not possibly be any tougher. We were in the toughest Final Four of all time and all that twerp could say was 'none of the teams are great'. I seriously wanted to fight that little mfer back then.

(02-27-2016 09:54 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Why compare something that was stupid to something that was stupider?

Two times Stupider.

I can't agree more, but which one was the stupider's one? I know

(02-27-2016 10:59 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 09:54 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Why compare something that was stupid to something that was stupider?

Two times Stupider.

I can't agree more, but which one was the stupider's one? I know

I am not qualified to answer that question.

My preference is for issues like this to be handled on the court.

Allen is due an elbow or hard foul or maybe even one wicked pick.

Then he won't trip anyone again.

(02-27-2016 10:51 PM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 10:36 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 09:59 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The idea of conferences self-policing is laughable. They will always look out for their own self-interest and dole out punishment arbitrarily. Crappy teams will get hammered and contending teams will get free passes.

Just like the NCAA: in 2008 they looked up and saw a final four with

UCLA
North Carolina
Kansas
Memphis


One of these things is not like the others, they must be cheating. Nevermind that North Carolina was in the middle of a 20 year academic scandal. Nevermind that Darrell Arthur probably never graduated high school. Nevermind that UCLA had Sam Gilbert paying players for a decade. Let's punish that renegade school Memphis again so one day their inept coach can talk about vacated sweet 16s when he can't get to one.

I remember Whinebooger incessantly talking every day about how there were no great teams in 08 in the Final Four.

All #1 seeds were in the Final Four. It could not possibly be any tougher. We were in the toughest Final Four of all time and all that twerp could say was 'none of the teams are great'. I seriously wanted to fight that little mfer back then.

I've got to tell you,, this post right here is very funny!!

(02-27-2016 10:36 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 09:59 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The idea of conferences self-policing is laughable. They will always look out for their own self-interest and dole out punishment arbitrarily. Crappy teams will get hammered and contending teams will get free passes.

Just like the NCAA: in 2008 they looked up and saw a final four with

UCLA
North Carolina
Kansas
Memphis


One of these things is not like the others, they must be cheating. Nevermind that North Carolina was in the middle of a 20 year academic scandal. Nevermind that Darrell Arthur probably never graduated high school. Nevermind that UCLA had Sam Gilbert paying players for a decade. Let's punish that renegade school Memphis again so one day their inept coach can talk about vacated sweet 16s when he can't get to one.

Yeah, memphis got probation for a player that calipari and his agent brought here without the ncaa really proving their case. The ncaa immediately cleared calipari's name in any wrongdoing at memphis, so he could coach one of the ncaa favs in bball (kentucky) during a period that the sec was negotiating new tv contracts. After all, he is recruiting the best of the best talent (with a lot of nba talent) and tv ratings and popularity for calipari teams was on a major rise.

(02-28-2016 02:21 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  My preference is for issues like this to be handled on the court.

Allen is due an elbow or hard foul or maybe even one wicked pick.

Then he won't trip anyone again.

Funny, a year ago today I'd never heard of that kid. Today, I would pay money to watch him get what you called for.