(02-26-2016 04:08 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 12:21 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 12:16 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 11:40 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 11:08 AM)goofus Wrote:  I believe the general perception is that USF had its window of opportunity and blew it. If they would have won the Big East a couple times like WV did, they might have had enough momentum to get a big 12 invite.

Instead they just never took their football team to the next level.

Now the general perception is that UCF has caught up and even surpassed USF. When UCF was given its chance, they turned it into a BCS bowl victory. Now most discussions usually talk about adding UCF first before USF, and USF only gets thrown in as a good travel partner for UCF.


Sorry, USF was given a golden ticket when they were invited to the Big East and they just threw it away.

And yet, USF is projected to have a 10 win season upcoming, meanwhile UCF is coming off a winless season.

USF and UCF are both great candidates, but one isn't necessarily better than the other. UCF isn't seen as a better candidate than USF...except by a few message board posters. USF brings everything to the table that UCF does (actually Tampa is a larger market than Orlando, if you're starting a B12 network). Combined Tampa/Orlando is the #4 market in the country behind NY, LA, and Chicago, with nearly as many TV sets as Chicago.

Did you go around and count each and every one yourself?

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No, I looked up the number of TV households and media rankings by city.

Took about 10 seconds to find it online.

T'was a joke sir

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Got it! Joke received.

USF and UCF have almost no chance of being chosen right now. Sorry it is what it is.

I love this thread.

(02-26-2016 11:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 11:08 AM)goofus Wrote:  I believe the general perception is that USF had its window of opportunity and blew it. If they would have won the Big East a couple times like WV did, they might have had enough momentum to get a big 12 invite.

Instead they just never took their football team to the next level.

Now the general perception is that UCF has caught up and even surpassed USF. When UCF was given its chance, they turned it into a BCS bowl victory. Now most discussions usually talk about adding UCF first before USF, and USF only gets thrown in as a good travel partner for UCF.

Sorry, USF was given a golden ticket when they were invited to the Big East and they just threw it away.

I think you were correct about this - until about six months ago. Then, in those past six months, USF had a good season, reestablished itself as a credible football program, while UCF totally sh@t the bed with an epically awful 0-12 campaign.

So now, the script has flipped, and USF is regarded as the better candidate.

By whom and why?

(02-26-2016 06:34 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  USF and UCF have almost no chance of being chosen right now. Sorry it is what it is.

Why do you say that?

(02-26-2016 07:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 06:34 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  USF and UCF have almost no chance of being chosen right now. Sorry it is what it is.

Why do you say that?

He's too busy trying to solidify the AAC as not part of the G5 by referring to them as the G4 haha

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(02-26-2016 02:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 02:16 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 02:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 02:05 PM)Bull Wrote:  The reason the USF/UCF tandem makes sense is primarily because of the juggernaut of UF/FSU/UM. Together you get both Tampa AND Orlando, keep a natural rivalry and excitement. Plus the obvious benefit of being great travel partners.

I also think it's both or neither... and if it's neither than we continue to benefit the AAC.

Who does that benefit, and how does it benefit them?

Convenient and cost-efficient 2-for-1 road trip for the other 10-12 conference members.

Are they going to play those two schools back to back on the same trip? There are lots of schools that are close together in other conferences, but you don't see much of this going on with their conference mates. I think that's an overblown selling point that doesn't really produce much of an advantage for the other schools in the conference. And it provides virtually no advantage to the so-called partners.

Ask the B12 why they want another school near WV...

Everyone understands the rationale for travel partners. Not a big deal for football, but for most other sports it's a tremendous cost saver.

Plus, with two schools in Florida, it is likely everyone in the conference gets an away game in Florida every season.

(02-26-2016 07:16 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I love this thread.

Notice the title... yet how many of us advocate for both USF and UCF? I hope you are seeing that...

(02-26-2016 10:08 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  South Florida is always overlooked

you'd be shocked at who they beat on a regular basis though....

2008
beat Kansas
beat NC State
beat Syracuse
beat UConn
beat Memphis

2009
beat FSU
beat Syracuse
beat West Virginia
beat Louisville
beat NIU

2010
beat Cincinnati
beat Louisville
beat Rutgers
beat Miami
beat Clemson

2011
beat Notre Dame
beat Syracuse

2012
beat UConn

2013
beat Cincinnati
beat UConn

2014
beat UConn
beat SMU

2015
beat Syracuse
beat UConn
beat SMU
beat East Carolina
beat Temple
beat Cincinnati
beat UCF

The state of Florida oozes talent....when South Florida is hot, they are capable of beating some big name schools

And who beat you in your last bowl game....
No worries about having to spend money on Big 12 logos on your fields and courts. You are in the AAC and there you will stay

(02-26-2016 07:39 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 02:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 02:16 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 02:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 02:05 PM)Bull Wrote:  The reason the USF/UCF tandem makes sense is primarily because of the juggernaut of UF/FSU/UM. Together you get both Tampa AND Orlando, keep a natural rivalry and excitement. Plus the obvious benefit of being great travel partners.

I also think it's both or neither... and if it's neither than we continue to benefit the AAC.

Who does that benefit, and how does it benefit them?

Convenient and cost-efficient 2-for-1 road trip for the other 10-12 conference members.

Are they going to play those two schools back to back on the same trip? There are lots of schools that are close together in other conferences, but you don't see much of this going on with their conference mates. I think that's an overblown selling point that doesn't really produce much of an advantage for the other schools in the conference. And it provides virtually no advantage to the so-called partners.

Ask the B12 why they want another school near WV...

Everyone understands the rationale for travel partners. Not a big deal for football, but for most other sports it's a tremendous cost saver.

Plus, with two schools in Florida, it is likely everyone in the conference gets an away game in Florida every season.

I don't know that the B12 does want another school near WVU. And, I don't think 300 miles (Cincinnati) is all that close anyway. Conferences may understand the rationale for travel partners. Most of them don't do anything about it. I understand teams in Pacific and Mountain time zones sometimes do, but it seems to me they are the exception.

Now, the rationale of getting a game in Florida every year makes more sense, though it would probably be more like every other year when they go away from a full round robin.

(02-26-2016 07:39 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 02:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 02:16 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 02:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 02:05 PM)Bull Wrote:  The reason the USF/UCF tandem makes sense is primarily because of the juggernaut of UF/FSU/UM. Together you get both Tampa AND Orlando, keep a natural rivalry and excitement. Plus the obvious benefit of being great travel partners.

I also think it's both or neither... and if it's neither than we continue to benefit the AAC.

Who does that benefit, and how does it benefit them?

Convenient and cost-efficient 2-for-1 road trip for the other 10-12 conference members.

Are they going to play those two schools back to back on the same trip? There are lots of schools that are close together in other conferences, but you don't see much of this going on with their conference mates. I think that's an overblown selling point that doesn't really produce much of an advantage for the other schools in the conference. And it provides virtually no advantage to the so-called partners.

Ask the B12 why they want another school near WV...

Everyone understands the rationale for travel partners. Not a big deal for football, but for most other sports it's a tremendous cost saver.

Plus, with two schools in Florida, it is likely everyone in the conference gets an away game in Florida every season.

I don't know that the B12 does want another school near WVU. And, I don't think 300 miles (Cincinnati) is all that close anyway. Conferences may understand the rationale for travel partners. Most of them don't do anything about it. I understand teams in Pacific and Mountain time zones sometimes do, but it seems to me they are the exception.

Now, the rationale of getting a game in Florida every year makes more sense, though it would probably be more like every other year when they go away from a full round robin.

(02-26-2016 07:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 06:34 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  USF and UCF have almost no chance of being chosen right now. Sorry it is what it is.

Why do you say that?

South Florida and Central Florida are not part of the good ol' boy club.

(02-26-2016 10:08 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  South Florida is always overlooked

you'd be shocked at who they beat on a regular basis though....

2008
beat Kansas
beat NC State
beat Syracuse
beat UConn
beat Memphis

2009
beat FSU
beat Syracuse
beat West Virginia
beat Louisville
beat NIU

2010
beat Cincinnati
beat Louisville
beat Rutgers
beat Miami
beat Clemson

2011
beat Notre Dame
beat Syracuse

2012
beat UConn

2013
beat Cincinnati
beat UConn

2014
beat UConn
beat SMU

2015
beat Syracuse
beat UConn
beat SMU
beat East Carolina
beat Temple
beat Cincinnati
beat UCF

The state of Florida oozes talent....when South Florida is hot, they are capable of beating some big name schools

No on campus sdadium. A 15 year history of playing football. The two single most important things to old blood schools like UT, and OU. Cheers!

They do make cool videos

http://youtu.be/h3MOLaXBpcg

(02-26-2016 09:54 PM)polkhigh Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 07:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 06:34 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  USF and UCF have almost no chance of being chosen right now. Sorry it is what it is.

Why do you say that?

South Florida and Central Florida are not part of the good ol' boy club.

LOL, USF sure whacked WVU a few times in football. And evenly matched series while in the Big East.

(02-26-2016 09:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 10:08 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  South Florida is always overlooked

you'd be shocked at who they beat on a regular basis though....

2008
beat Kansas
beat NC State
beat Syracuse
beat UConn
beat Memphis

2009
beat FSU
beat Syracuse
beat West Virginia
beat Louisville
beat NIU

2010
beat Cincinnati
beat Louisville
beat Rutgers
beat Miami
beat Clemson

2011
beat Notre Dame
beat Syracuse

2012
beat UConn

2013
beat Cincinnati
beat UConn

2014
beat UConn
beat SMU

2015
beat Syracuse
beat UConn
beat SMU
beat East Carolina
beat Temple
beat Cincinnati
beat UCF

The state of Florida oozes talent....when South Florida is hot, they are capable of beating some big name schools

No on campus sdadium. A 15 year history of playing football. The two single most important things to old blood schools like UT, and OU. Cheers!

Correction...20 year history. A minor, but not insignificant correction.

(02-26-2016 10:49 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF is one of schools being considered. Maybe not #1, but up there.

USF was always known for knocking off name teams will in the Big East, getting ranked...then finishing with a mediocre conference record and falling out of rankings.

We drew some outstanding crowds back in our BE time. We experienced a 3-4 year downturn at the time conference realignment was going on. If we had been hot at the time, we likely would have already been invited to a "power" conference when Big East imploded.

If, for example, B12 wants to add a conf. network, then you can't get a better combo than USF and UCF as far as TV markets.

Predict USF will become a very hot candidate after this year. USF will be predicted to win approximately 10 games this year, give or take.

Behind...Cincinnati, UCONN, Temple, Memphis, Houston, and Colorado State and on even keel with UCF, Boise State, BYU and ahead of East Carolina

(02-26-2016 10:03 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  They do make cool videos

http://youtu.be/h3MOLaXBpcg

I want to know who green lighted that video and the ending is just creepy.

(02-26-2016 11:11 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 11:08 AM)goofus Wrote:  I believe the general perception is that USF had its window of opportunity and blew it. If they would have won the Big East a couple times like WV did, they might have had enough momentum to get a big 12 invite.

Instead they just never took their football team to the next level.

Now the general perception is that UCF has caught up and even surpassed USF. When UCF was given its chance, they turned it into a BCS bowl victory. Now most discussions usually talk about adding UCF first before USF, and USF only gets thrown in as a good travel partner for UCF.

Sorry, USF was given a golden ticket when they were invited to the Big East and they just threw it away.

This.

I also find it crazy that the big 12 would add BYU. Why stretch the conference across 3 time zones. The only school I want west is Colorado State.

If they shed WVU, and they should, why NOT add CSU AND BYU? I wouldn't add USF, BTW. None of those wins impress me much. C'mon, SYRACUSE?! UCONN?!

(02-27-2016 01:18 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 11:11 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 11:08 AM)goofus Wrote:  I believe the general perception is that USF had its window of opportunity and blew it. If they would have won the Big East a couple times like WV did, they might have had enough momentum to get a big 12 invite.

Instead they just never took their football team to the next level.

Now the general perception is that UCF has caught up and even surpassed USF. When UCF was given its chance, they turned it into a BCS bowl victory. Now most discussions usually talk about adding UCF first before USF, and USF only gets thrown in as a good travel partner for UCF.

Sorry, USF was given a golden ticket when they were invited to the Big East and they just threw it away.

This.

I also find it crazy that the big 12 would add BYU. Why stretch the conference across 3 time zones. The only school I want west is Colorado State.

If they shed WVU, and they should, why NOT add CSU AND BYU? I wouldn't add USF, BTW. None of those wins impress me much. C'mon, SYRACUSE?! UCONN?!

I love WVU but yes if they left the big 12 I'd be for BYU and Colorado state. I wish we tried to keep all our schools in continually states like the big ten and SEC.