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Where does UC end up?
I could see UC going one of three ways:
- join the Big XII
- join the ACC
- remain in the AAC

What do you guys think?

I've written about it in a few different places... it's EXCITING!

Here's a link to my SBNation DownTheDrive article:
http://www.downthedrive.com/2016/2/25/11...could-work

Here's a link to my ACC blog article:
http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2016/0...cable.html

Here's hoping things work out so UC ends up in the ACC Coastal with VT!
 
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Good stuff Mark.

I am sure you would not be surprised to hear that most UC fans would cut off their right toe to join the ACC. Yeah if the Big 12 calls UC has to jump on it, but our fans want to renew our rivalry with Louisville and Pitt and have history with a number of ACC schools.

Your TV calculations for an ACC network are interesting. One thing I would add is that with a UC addition the ACC would really fully penetrate the Ohio market. Pitt splashes over in portions of the eastern corridor of the state (Youngstown, Steubenville, parts of Cleveland) and most people throughout the state are familiar with most of the teams in the conference. I can definitely see someone in Columbus or Toledo who is not a UC fan being interest in watching UC v. the majority of the ACC on an ACC Network as an alternative to B10 action occasionally.
 
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RE: Where does UC end up?
(02-25-2016 03:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I could see UC going one of three ways:
- join the Big XII
- join the ACC
- remain in the AAC

What do you guys think?

I've written about it in a few different places... it's EXCITING!

Here's a link to my SBNation DownTheDrive article:
http://www.downthedrive.com/2016/2/25/11...could-work

Here's a link to my ACC blog article:
http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2016/0...cable.html

Here's hoping things work out so UC ends up in the ACC Coastal with VT!

I don't understand the table with rankings. The numbers seem out of order. Plus, you've listed Cincinnati with 37,096 attendance, but stadium capacity of 35,000. Nippert was expanded to 40,000, so the capacity side you listed is off.
 
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(02-25-2016 03:20 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Good stuff Mark.

I am sure you would not be surprised to hear that most UC fans would cut off their right toe to join the ACC. Yeah if the Big 12 calls UC has to jump on it, but our fans want to renew our rivalry with Louisville and Pitt and have history with a number of ACC schools.

Your TV calculations for an ACC network are interesting. One thing I would add is that with a UC addition the ACC would really fully penetrate the Ohio market. Pitt splashes over in portions of the eastern corridor of the state (Youngstown, Steubenville, parts of Cleveland) and most people throughout the state are familiar with most of the teams in the conference. I can definitely see someone in Columbus or Toledo who is not a UC fan being interest in watching UC v. the majority of the ACC on an ACC Network as an alternative to B10 action occasionally.

I got to thinking about tvs in Kentucky. About 1/5 of Cincinnati's metro lies in the state of Kentucky, maybe 400,000 people, which makes NKY the third largest metro area in the state. Regardless of whether or not it's UK territory, there are a lot of UC fans there, who are exposed to Cincinnati media coverage of UC.

Does this affect the conference network calculation in anyway?
 
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(02-25-2016 04:21 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(02-25-2016 03:20 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Good stuff Mark.

I am sure you would not be surprised to hear that most UC fans would cut off their right toe to join the ACC. Yeah if the Big 12 calls UC has to jump on it, but our fans want to renew our rivalry with Louisville and Pitt and have history with a number of ACC schools.

Your TV calculations for an ACC network are interesting. One thing I would add is that with a UC addition the ACC would really fully penetrate the Ohio market. Pitt splashes over in portions of the eastern corridor of the state (Youngstown, Steubenville, parts of Cleveland) and most people throughout the state are familiar with most of the teams in the conference. I can definitely see someone in Columbus or Toledo who is not a UC fan being interest in watching UC v. the majority of the ACC on an ACC Network as an alternative to B10 action occasionally.

I got to thinking about tvs in Kentucky. About 1/5 of Cincinnati's metro lies in the state of Kentucky, maybe 400,000 people, which makes NKY the third largest metro area in the state. Regardless of whether or not it's UK territory, there are a lot of UC fans there, who are exposed to Cincinnati media coverage of UC.

Does this affect the conference network calculation in anyway?

I've wondered about that myself. I have seen people who don't want UC in a particular conference over the years argue that we don't move the needle in Ohio outside of SWO. The point they neglect is that Cincinnati does penetrate Kentucky and Indiana as well. Heck, I would venture that there are a lot of TV sets watching UC all the way down in Louisville or up in Indianapolis at times when there is a game of interest on. Like the Reds and Bengals, our fans are spread out over 2-3 states as opposed to all being confined within a neat border like the Browns and Indians.
 
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Sign UC up for the ACC....a lot of history with Syracuse, VT, PITT, Louisville, NC State etcccccc
Campus Capacity now 40M. 40101 for Miami FL in 2015..can use Bengals Stadium at 65,535
Ohio a great football state..recruiting and eyeballs for TV
 
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(02-25-2016 04:32 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(02-25-2016 04:21 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(02-25-2016 03:20 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Good stuff Mark.

I am sure you would not be surprised to hear that most UC fans would cut off their right toe to join the ACC. Yeah if the Big 12 calls UC has to jump on it, but our fans want to renew our rivalry with Louisville and Pitt and have history with a number of ACC schools.

Your TV calculations for an ACC network are interesting. One thing I would add is that with a UC addition the ACC would really fully penetrate the Ohio market. Pitt splashes over in portions of the eastern corridor of the state (Youngstown, Steubenville, parts of Cleveland) and most people throughout the state are familiar with most of the teams in the conference. I can definitely see someone in Columbus or Toledo who is not a UC fan being interest in watching UC v. the majority of the ACC on an ACC Network as an alternative to B10 action occasionally.

I got to thinking about tvs in Kentucky. About 1/5 of Cincinnati's metro lies in the state of Kentucky, maybe 400,000 people, which makes NKY the third largest metro area in the state. Regardless of whether or not it's UK territory, there are a lot of UC fans there, who are exposed to Cincinnati media coverage of UC.

Does this affect the conference network calculation in anyway?

I've wondered about that myself. I have seen people who don't want UC in a particular conference over the years argue that we don't move the needle in Ohio outside of SWO. The point they neglect is that Cincinnati does penetrate Kentucky and Indiana as well. Heck, I would venture that there are a lot of TV sets watching UC all the way down in Louisville or up in Indianapolis at times when there is a game of interest on. Like the Reds and Bengals, our fans are spread out over 2-3 states as opposed to all being confined within a neat border like the Browns and Indians.

Like it or not, Cincinnati shares a lot with Kentucky (population 4.4M), and that familiarity is important. As Paul Daugherty once said, Cincinnati has more in common with Louisville than it does Cleveland, for a number of reasons. Lexington is but 70 miles away. At least half the state lives in the Cin-Lex-Lou triangle. Those people mostly cheer for the Reds and the Bengals. SO many of them have family here, hunting and trapping, working in our factories, gas stations, and convenience stores.

It's like I see here in Dayton - they might not be UC fans, but they'll watch the Bearcats on tv because they're familiar, or because there's a history (like with Louisville) or because they know people who went there.

I admit I don't understand how these conference networks manage their coverage and how they charge for that coverage. But it stands to reason that Kentucky would be at least some part of the UC mix.
 
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RE: Where does UC end up?
(02-25-2016 03:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I could see UC going one of three ways:
- join the Big XII
- join the ACC
- remain in the AAC

What do you guys think?

I've written about it in a few different places... it's EXCITING!

Here's a link to my SBNation DownTheDrive article:
http://www.downthedrive.com/2016/2/25/11...could-work

Here's a link to my ACC blog article:
http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2016/0...cable.html

Here's hoping things work out so UC ends up in the ACC Coastal with VT!

I will read those Mark. I voted for Big 12 but most UC fans would prefer the ACC, as do I.
 
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(02-25-2016 04:16 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(02-25-2016 03:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I could see UC going one of three ways:
- join the Big XII
- join the ACC
- remain in the AAC

What do you guys think?

I've written about it in a few different places... it's EXCITING!

Here's a link to my SBNation DownTheDrive article:
http://www.downthedrive.com/2016/2/25/11...could-work

Here's a link to my ACC blog article:
http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2016/0...cable.html

Here's hoping things work out so UC ends up in the ACC Coastal with VT!

I don't understand the table with rankings. The numbers seem out of order. Plus, you've listed Cincinnati with 37,096 attendance, but stadium capacity of 35,000. Nippert was expanded to 40,000, so the capacity side you listed is off.

I got the data in the attendance table from another site; I didn't verify it myself. Thanks for the correction - I've made the change.

BTW, the teams are sorted by TOTAL attendance rather than average per game - which is why Houston is ahead of Temple (one extra home game, IIRC).
 
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(02-25-2016 04:21 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(02-25-2016 03:20 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Good stuff Mark.

I am sure you would not be surprised to hear that most UC fans would cut off their right toe to join the ACC. Yeah if the Big 12 calls UC has to jump on it, but our fans want to renew our rivalry with Louisville and Pitt and have history with a number of ACC schools.

Your TV calculations for an ACC network are interesting. One thing I would add is that with a UC addition the ACC would really fully penetrate the Ohio market. Pitt splashes over in portions of the eastern corridor of the state (Youngstown, Steubenville, parts of Cleveland) and most people throughout the state are familiar with most of the teams in the conference. I can definitely see someone in Columbus or Toledo who is not a UC fan being interest in watching UC v. the majority of the ACC on an ACC Network as an alternative to B10 action occasionally.

I got to thinking about tvs in Kentucky. About 1/5 of Cincinnati's metro lies in the state of Kentucky, maybe 400,000 people, which makes NKY the third largest metro area in the state. Regardless of whether or not it's UK territory, there are a lot of UC fans there, who are exposed to Cincinnati media coverage of UC.

Does this affect the conference network calculation in anyway?

I already assumed coverage throughout Kentucky thanks to Louisville (right or wrong). It would be UC's job to get it in Ohio (with some help from Pitt and Notre Dame).
 
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I voted Big XII, but want the ACC.

Add WVU and UC.

Kick out ND for the giggles.

Then kick out that D3 athletic department at Wake Forest and add UCONN (personally I'd take Memphis, but I'm in the minority here and I see the value of UCONN).
 
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I think 90% prefer the ACC over the B12.
Since we are beggars we will gladly take the B12.
But I fear we remain in the purgatory that is the AAC.
 
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(02-25-2016 11:38 PM)doss2 Wrote:  But I fear we remain in the purgatory that is the AAC.

This ain't no Purgatory...
 
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(02-25-2016 11:38 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I think 90% prefer the ACC over the B12.
Since we are beggars we will gladly take the B12.
But I fear we remain in the purgatory that is the AAC.

I'm in the same boat. I voted for the B12 but am prepared for life in the AAC.
 
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(02-25-2016 11:42 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(02-25-2016 11:38 PM)doss2 Wrote:  But I fear we remain in the purgatory that is the AAC.

This ain't no Purgatory...

yeah it pretty much is

crud bowls, crud tv money, "G5 status", recruiting is already tanking,

yeah, it's purgatory
 
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(02-26-2016 07:53 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(02-25-2016 11:42 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(02-25-2016 11:38 PM)doss2 Wrote:  But I fear we remain in the purgatory that is the AAC.

This ain't no Purgatory...

yeah it pretty much is

crud bowls, crud tv money, "G5 status", recruiting is already tanking,

yeah, it's purgatory

No, the point Jerry (an ordained minister) was making is it's worse than purgatory. Purgatory would imply we are in between heaven and hell
 
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I voted ACC. I really think the ACC will see the writing on the wall and take UC and UConn before there is no one left to take. To me, history is the best indicator and the Big 12 has made some dumb decisions when it comes to realignment and the ACC has been aggressive so I think that model will stick and we'll end up in the ACC.
 
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(02-26-2016 08:25 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  I voted ACC. I really think the ACC will see the writing on the wall and take UC and UConn before there is no one left to take. To me, history is the best indicator and the Big 12 has made some dumb decisions when it comes to realignment and the ACC has been aggressive so I think that model will stick and we'll end up in the ACC.

I think the ACC stays pat. Big XII will most likely be our only real hope in the next few years.

UConn has some bitter enemies in the ACC (e.g. Boston College) that do not want them per my understanding.
 
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(02-26-2016 08:39 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  
(02-26-2016 08:25 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  I voted ACC. I really think the ACC will see the writing on the wall and take UC and UConn before there is no one left to take. To me, history is the best indicator and the Big 12 has made some dumb decisions when it comes to realignment and the ACC has been aggressive so I think that model will stick and we'll end up in the ACC.

I think the ACC stays pat. Big XII will most likely be our only real hope in the next few years.

UConn has some bitter enemies in the ACC (e.g. Boston College) that do not want them per my understanding.

UCONN would be a much better conference member than Boston College. If I were in charge of the ACC, I'd tell BC to worry more about fielding competitive teams, and to STFU about UCONN.
 
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If the B12 expands all the signals point to that being the destination.

Unless the ACC gets raided, I do not see that happening.

If the answer ends up being the American, the program is going to slowly die on the vine.
 
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