doesn't even give the benefit of a reach around.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-s...30444.html

That's crappy.

Piss poor. It would be one thing if he did a poor job...

I think what bothers me the most is not giving the kid a heads up so that he could make financial preparations to pay his own way. He shouldn't have this problem sprung on him by the school's bursar's office a week before classes start.

(02-25-2016 12:32 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  I think what bothers me the most is not giving the kid a heads up so that he could make financial preparations to pay his own way. He shouldn't have this problem sprung on him by the school's bursar's office a week before classes start.

Agreed.. if he had gotten a warning or told about this before-hand I don't think it'd be so bad. But to do it the way they did...


Not cool, Mutties.

Honestly most of our fanbase is OK seeing him go - I was done with him after the 2014 season where he basically cost us a bowl game and went like 60%. He was awful in '14 and then missed again at Illinois this year to win the game. We signed the best high school kicker in TN to a scholarship this year so we're set.


A little more detail here with more of Stock's explanation.
http://www.dnj.com/story/sports/college/.../80855714/

(02-25-2016 12:45 PM)MTowho Wrote:  Honestly most of our fanbase is OK seeing him go - I was done with him after the 2014 season where he basically cost us a bowl game and went like 60%. He was awful in '14 and then missed again at Illinois this year to win the game. We signed the best high school kicker in TN to a scholarship this year so we're set.


A little more detail here with more of Stock's explanation.
http://www.dnj.com/story/sports/college/.../80855714/

I think that the point that coach Stockstill is missing isn't that they were treating the scholarship as a year-to-year thing, it's how the kid wasn't told it wasn't going to be renewed. At least let him know ahead of time so he can decide his options.

(02-25-2016 12:56 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 12:45 PM)MTowho Wrote:  Honestly most of our fanbase is OK seeing him go - I was done with him after the 2014 season where he basically cost us a bowl game and went like 60%. He was awful in '14 and then missed again at Illinois this year to win the game. We signed the best high school kicker in TN to a scholarship this year so we're set.


A little more detail here with more of Stock's explanation.
http://www.dnj.com/story/sports/college/.../80855714/

I think that the point that coach Stockstill is missing isn't that they were treating the scholarship as a year-to-year thing, it's how the kid wasn't told it wasn't going to be renewed. At least let him know ahead of time so he can decide his options.

Well, that depends on who you ask. You see his version. According Clark it was guaranteed.

According to Stockstill he told him the scholarship that he earned the first time was a one year deal and they would reevaluate before the season began the following year.

So, it's all a matter of who you believe is lying and who you believe it telling the truth. Frankly, it's one man's word against another. What would have swayed my decision would be if another player confirmed Clark's version of the situation, but we don't have that.

(02-25-2016 01:10 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 12:56 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 12:45 PM)MTowho Wrote:  Honestly most of our fanbase is OK seeing him go - I was done with him after the 2014 season where he basically cost us a bowl game and went like 60%. He was awful in '14 and then missed again at Illinois this year to win the game. We signed the best high school kicker in TN to a scholarship this year so we're set.


A little more detail here with more of Stock's explanation.
http://www.dnj.com/story/sports/college/.../80855714/

I think that the point that coach Stockstill is missing isn't that they were treating the scholarship as a year-to-year thing, it's how the kid wasn't told it wasn't going to be renewed. At least let him know ahead of time so he can decide his options.

Well, that depends on who you ask. You see his version. According Clark it was guaranteed.

According to Stockstill he told him the scholarship that he earned the first time was a one year deal and they would reevaluate before the season began the following year.

So, it's all a matter of who you believe is lying and who you believe it telling the truth. Frankly, it's one man's word against another. What would have swayed my decision would be if another player confirmed Clark's version of the situation, but we don't have that.

That's a fair point to make. I think for me it has nothing to do with whether the scholarship was or wasn't automatic and everything thing to do with the fact he wasn't told it and had to find out from someone outside of the program.

Clark was a mediocre kicker at best and a terrible teammate. From what I've heard he was one of the biggest attitude problems on the team and was constantly a drain (similar to WBB Olivia Jones before she left). He is what you could call a rotten egg. Sure, some fans might be a little sad to see him go, but the fact of the matter is he was a big negative and he should have been off way before this.

(02-25-2016 01:15 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  everything thing to do with the fact he wasn't told it and had to find out from someone outside of the program.

And where do you get this piece of information from?

(02-25-2016 01:30 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 01:15 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  everything thing to do with the fact he wasn't told it and had to find out from someone outside of the program.

And where do you get this piece of information from?

From the article linked in the OP. The kid is saying he found out when he received an email from the school telling him his tuition was due or he would be dis-enrolled.

I just don't know that I trust what he's saying. That's one heck of a coincidence that he received an email "45 minutes before the first practice." Oh and I don't believe in this many coincidences all lining up.

Anyway, perhaps they were going to but hadn't gotten around to talking to him about it?

My guess is if he was another position player other than a kicker they probably would have told him sooner. Kickers are easily forgotten. And Stockstill has that Bowden/Spurrier lineage in him. You know how they all feel about kickers.

I believe Clark has a right to be upset about it, but he's been on an all out media blitz whining about it which just comes off as being the prototypical whiny kicker. It would be highly unlike Stockstill to not have told him the parameters of the scholarship. But it's clear the situation wasn't handled right. I'll concede that point.

(02-25-2016 01:47 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I just don't know that I trust what he's saying. That's one heck of a coincidence that he received an email "45 minutes before the first practice." Oh and I don't believe in this many coincidences all lining up.

Anyway, perhaps they were going to but hadn't gotten around to talking to him about it?

My guess is if he was another position player other than a kicker they probably would have told him sooner. Kickers are easily forgotten. And Stockstill has that Bowden/Spurrier lineage in him. You know how they all feel about kickers.

I believe Clark has a right to be upset about it, but he's been on an all out media blitz whining about it which just comes off as being the prototypical whiny kicker. It would be highly unlike Stockstill to not have told him the parameters of the scholarship. But it's clear the situation wasn't handled right. I'll concede that point.

It definitely makes me raise my eyebrow as far as the timing goes, so I can see your point there. I actually like Stockstill and I have a real soft spot for MTSU because I have a lot of family in that part of TN, so I don't think there was any malicious intent on the part of the coaches. One thing is for sure, every single walk-on going forward will know exactly where they stand before the situation can get to this point.

“The week before school, I got an email saying I needed to pay tuition or I’d be purged from my classes. 45 minutes before a practice, I asked [MTSU Director of Football Operations] Chris Matusek if I was on scholarship, and he said I wasn’t.”

If this is true, then it is very unprofessional at best on the part of the Head Coach.

I tend to trust the fact that I haven't heard any teammates crying foul, the fact that Stock has turned down jobs because he couldn't tell his recruits what he was telling them and bolt two weeks before signing day, and the fact that he's taken us from the worst APR in the nation to one of the top performing schools every year as evidence of the character of our coach and that he didn't screw this kid over. Clark just has sour grapes because he lost his starting job.

Keep in mind guys, this happened LAST YEAR, before he lost his starting job. Now that he's leaving the University after a year with no schollie, he runs to the media.

(02-25-2016 04:01 PM)DogsWin1 Wrote:  “The week before school, I got an email saying I needed to pay tuition or I’d be purged from my classes. 45 minutes before a practice, I asked [MTSU Director of Football Operations] Chris Matusek if I was on scholarship, and he said I wasn’t.”

If this is true, then it is very unprofessional at best on the part of the Head Coach.

“First of all, his scholarship was never revoked,” Stockstill said. “I called him up here to sign his scholarship (in 2014) and like any other walk-ons, he signed a voluntary release of scholarship agreement. I go over that and said this is a one-year deal. I told him if I had a scholarship available the next year, I would keep you on.”

After that agreement ended, Stockstill said Clark asked whether he would be on scholarship, and he told him it was a matter of waiting to see if one was available. Prior to the 2015 season, no scholarship was available for Clark, Stockstill said. “Cody knew that before school started,” Stockstill said. “He knew it was a one-year deal. It was not a betrayal, it was not a revocation, and he knew it throughout the fall, spring and summer.” (Source: http://www.dnj.com/story/sports/college/.../80855714/)

If any of you were following the Olivia Jones departure, Clark's attitude matches up well with Jones's - both were not team players and both had personal problems with the leadership that were not echoed, at all, by any other players. Stockstill is clear about these things with his players. The fact that not one player has said, yeah Clark is right this happened but it was a miscommunication or whatever, just solidifies in my mind how important his departure is for not only our team spirit but also our special teams corps. We have a talented freshman coming in for next year who will be on scholarship, and I am very happy that we are trading up and getting rid of the issue.

(02-25-2016 04:42 PM)MTowho Wrote:  I tend to trust the fact that I haven't heard any teammates crying foul, the fact that Stock has turned down jobs because he couldn't tell his recruits what he was telling them and bolt two weeks before signing day, and the fact that he's taken us from the worst APR in the nation to one of the top performing schools every year as evidence of the character of our coach and that he didn't screw this kid over. Clark just has sour grapes because he lost his starting job.

Keep in mind guys, this happened LAST YEAR, before he lost his starting job. Now that he's leaving the University after a year with no schollie, he runs to the media.

THANK YOU! This is a self centered player who made a mistake and wants attention.

Let's be honest here, the coach knew after spring ball that there wouldn't be a scholarship available for the following year. He didn't tell the kid because he needed him on the roster in 2015, so he waited to tell him so the player didn't have the summer to find a new home.

This kind of stuff happens all the time around the country.

Um...aren't all scholarships year to year? Or did that change?