Both conferences are struggling to get a viable (that is, profitable) conference network. What if they work together to create a single network for both conferences?

The Big 12 needs more eyeballs to make theirs work. The ACC has eyeballs. The ACC struggles to get CFP worthy schedules. The Big 12 has quality opponents.

Here's a radical scheduling idea for the ACC. Reduce the conference schedule to 7 games - six division opponents and one permanent crossover. That frees up an additional OOC game. Match the 10 B12 teams with the top 10 ACC teams. Make that a much hyped ACC-B12 challenge, with one such game per week.

Then, the top teams like FSU, Clemson et al can still schedule their tough OOC rivalry games without giving up seven home games every year. The rest of the league can play up to ten P5 games by scheduling ACC teams from the other division. The four NC teams could play each other every year. Everybody could accommodate the rotating ND game without having to give up another quality opponent.

I would make one change to existing divisions in this scenario. I would swap Miami and Clemson, which means Clemson and FSU would usually only play each other in the CCG.

I don't believe either conference can get a network on its own. Maybe this gets them there.

Delaney would probably raid one or both first to pre-empt it.

I'd do it this way:
* leave the ACC schedule as-is
* make the Big XII / ACC challenge between the teams which don't have an annual rival (i.e. excuse FSU, Clemson, GT and Louisville) - of course, those teams can still schedule a Big XII team if they want to, but they won't be forced to do so.
* that leaves 10-on-10 scheduling. VT, Pitt and Syracuse would get dibs on WVU. Just make it a made-for-TV event.
* Set-up the network to be in all 5 Big XII states as well as all 10 ACC states. Let all 24 teams (10 Big XII and 14 ACC) have an equal (1/24th) share.

I'll leave that decision to Jurich and Petrino.

(02-23-2016 02:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  Both conferences are struggling to get a viable (that is, profitable) conference network. What if they work together to create a single network for both conferences?

The Big 12 needs more eyeballs to make theirs work. The ACC has eyeballs. The ACC struggles to get CFP worthy schedules. The Big 12 has quality opponents.

Here's a radical scheduling idea for the ACC. Reduce the conference schedule to 7 games - six division opponents and one permanent crossover. That frees up an additional OOC game. Match the 10 B12 teams with the top 10 ACC teams. Make that a much hyped ACC-B12 challenge, with one such game per week.

Then, the top teams like FSU, Clemson et al can still schedule their tough OOC rivalry games without giving up seven home games every year. The rest of the league can play up to ten P5 games by scheduling ACC teams from the other division. The four NC teams could play each other every year. Everybody could accommodate the rotating ND game without having to give up another quality opponent.

I would make one change to existing divisions in this scenario. I would swap Miami and Clemson, which means Clemson and FSU would usually only play each other in the CCG.

I don't believe either conference can get a network on its own. Maybe this gets them there.

Only if the ACC is prepared to make it worth our while. FSU is our highest price ticket and best attended ACC game. That's a ton of money that the ACC would have to guarantee us every year in addition to the increase from your asinine plan.

(02-23-2016 02:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  Both conferences are struggling to get a viable (that is, profitable) conference network. What if they work together to create a single network for both conferences?

The Big 12 needs more eyeballs to make theirs work. The ACC has eyeballs. The ACC struggles to get CFP worthy schedules. The Big 12 has quality opponents.

Here's a radical scheduling idea for the ACC. Reduce the conference schedule to 7 games - six division opponents and one permanent crossover. That frees up an additional OOC game. Match the 10 B12 teams with the top 10 ACC teams. Make that a much hyped ACC-B12 challenge, with one such game per week.

Then, the top teams like FSU, Clemson et al can still schedule their tough OOC rivalry games without giving up seven home games every year. The rest of the league can play up to ten P5 games by scheduling ACC teams from the other division. The four NC teams could play each other every year. Everybody could accommodate the rotating ND game without having to give up another quality opponent.

I would make one change to existing divisions in this scenario. I would swap Miami and Clemson, which means Clemson and FSU would usually only play each other in the CCG.

I don't believe either conference can get a network on its own. Maybe this gets them there.

I don't like all the scheduling theatrics. As much as I complain about ACC teams overscheduling out of conference, the truth is that they play a ton of B1G and SEC teams, and even some PAC teams occasionally. On their own, you can see how infrequently ACC schools schedule the Big 12.

Having ACC schools have to lop off ACC and B1G foes from their schedule, to play schools where they have no alumni, recruit nobody, and have no traditional connection....that seems silly. If you want to schedule a Big 12 school, nobody's stopping anyone. Mandating a Big 12 opponent every year? You're giving up more than you get, in my opinion.

That said, a joint venture network is a bit intriguing IF ESPN was interested in rebranding ESPNU somehow. ESPNU is still in 20M less households than ESPN...if somehow such a rebranding got them in 10M more households and a higher subscription rate?

(02-23-2016 02:50 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'd do it this way:
* leave the ACC schedule as-is
* make the Big XII / ACC challenge between the teams which don't have an annual rival (i.e. excuse FSU, Clemson, GT and Louisville) - of course, those teams can still schedule a Big XII team if they want to, but they won't be forced to do so.
* that leaves 10-on-10 scheduling. VT, Pitt and Syracuse would get dibs on WVU. Just make it a made-for-TV event.
* Set-up the network to be in all 5 Big XII states as well as all 10 ACC states. Let all 24 teams (10 Big XII and 14 ACC) have an equal (1/24th) share.

Sell this:

Swofford - "Ok President Fenves and President Boren....we are going to lock you in to a yearly game with an ACC team, are you good with that?"

Boren - "Well Clemson has kicked our ass the past two years so that's not good but I look forward to playing FSU, and getting into Atlanta would be good for recruiting."

Fenves - "We wouldn't mind playing Clemson, and playing Louisville would get some national interest with Coach Strong"

Swofford - "No, Clemson, GT, FSU, and Louisville are out. We have you playing BC, NC State, UVA and Duke."



Good luck!

(02-23-2016 03:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 02:50 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'd do it this way:
* leave the ACC schedule as-is
* make the Big XII / ACC challenge between the teams which don't have an annual rival (i.e. excuse FSU, Clemson, GT and Louisville) - of course, those teams can still schedule a Big XII team if they want to, but they won't be forced to do so.
* that leaves 10-on-10 scheduling. VT, Pitt and Syracuse would get dibs on WVU. Just make it a made-for-TV event.
* Set-up the network to be in all 5 Big XII states as well as all 10 ACC states. Let all 24 teams (10 Big XII and 14 ACC) have an equal (1/24th) share.

Sell this:

Swofford - "Ok President Fenves and President Boren....we are going to lock you in to a yearly game with an ACC team, are you good with that?"

Boren - "Well Clemson has kicked our ass the past two years so that's not good but I look forward to playing FSU, and getting into Atlanta would be good for recruiting."

Fenves - "We wouldn't mind playing Clemson, and playing Louisville would get some national interest with Coach Strong"

Swofford - "No, Clemson, GT, FSU, and Louisville are out. We have you playing BC, NC State, UVA and Duke."



Good luck!

True!

(02-23-2016 03:30 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  ...Having ACC schools have to lop off ACC and B1G foes from their schedule, to play schools where they have no alumni, recruit nobody, and have no traditional connection....that seems silly. If you want to schedule a Big 12 school, nobody's stopping anyone. Mandating a Big 12 opponent every year? You're giving up more than you get, in my opinion.

That said, a joint venture network is a bit intriguing IF ESPN was interested in rebranding ESPNU somehow. ESPNU is still in 20M less households than ESPN...if somehow such a rebranding got them in 10M more households and a higher subscription rate?

Hey, this thing might work after all... maybe do a basketball-only challenge?

If we partner on a network then we should partner on Bowls as well.
Include Big12 in Orange mix in exchange for including ACC and ND in Sugar Bowl mix. This would be fair in my opinion and I think the SEC and ESPN would go for it.

Shared network revenue and shared Bowl revenue.

(02-23-2016 03:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 02:50 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'd do it this way:
* leave the ACC schedule as-is
* make the Big XII / ACC challenge between the teams which don't have an annual rival (i.e. excuse FSU, Clemson, GT and Louisville) - of course, those teams can still schedule a Big XII team if they want to, but they won't be forced to do so.
* that leaves 10-on-10 scheduling. VT, Pitt and Syracuse would get dibs on WVU. Just make it a made-for-TV event.
* Set-up the network to be in all 5 Big XII states as well as all 10 ACC states. Let all 24 teams (10 Big XII and 14 ACC) have an equal (1/24th) share.

Sell this:

Swofford - "Ok President Fenves and President Boren....we are going to lock you in to a yearly game with an ACC team, are you good with that?"

Boren - "Well Clemson has kicked our ass the past two years so that's not good but I look forward to playing FSU, and getting into Atlanta would be good for recruiting."

Fenves - "We wouldn't mind playing Clemson, and playing Louisville would get some national interest with Coach Strong"

Swofford - "No, Clemson, GT, FSU, and Louisville are out. We have you playing BC, NC State, UVA and Duke."



Good luck!

You wouldn't have to schedule 10 games, why not do 6? As for Clemson & FSU, they could play Texas or Oklahoma during years that they don't have ND or multiple SEC teams. You could have a season kickoff game that rotates teams. Can you imagine an FSU v Oklahoma season kickoff game? Pittsburgh & WV could play the last week of the season with the other rivalry games. Texas could keep the LHN & be exempt from this combined network. This would also give the northern baseball teams a southern place to play to start the season, & with quality opponents.

(02-23-2016 05:16 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  You wouldn't have to schedule 10 games, why not do 6? As for Clemson & FSU, they could play Texas or Oklahoma during years that they don't have ND or multiple SEC teams. You could have a season kickoff game that rotates teams. Can you imagine an FSU v Oklahoma season kickoff game? Pittsburgh & WV could play the last week of the season with the other rivalry games. Texas could keep the LHN & be exempt from this combined network. This would also give the northern baseball teams a southern place to play to start the season, & with quality opponents.

SU and WVU have a rivalry, too - and WVU vs. VPI is a great game. Additionally, northern baseball teams don't have a shortage of southern places to play at the start of the season. The problem is finding places where they can play that aren't on the road, and that's a facilities problem.

I also doubt that either UT or OU wants a yearly OOC rivalry game given their 9 game schedule. Even then, if they did, that rivalry game would be against Texas A&M and/or Nebraska.

(02-23-2016 03:30 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 02:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  Both conferences are struggling to get a viable (that is, profitable) conference network. What if they work together to create a single network for both conferences?

The Big 12 needs more eyeballs to make theirs work. The ACC has eyeballs. The ACC struggles to get CFP worthy schedules. The Big 12 has quality opponents.

Here's a radical scheduling idea for the ACC. Reduce the conference schedule to 7 games - six division opponents and one permanent crossover. That frees up an additional OOC game. Match the 10 B12 teams with the top 10 ACC teams. Make that a much hyped ACC-B12 challenge, with one such game per week.

Then, the top teams like FSU, Clemson et al can still schedule their tough OOC rivalry games without giving up seven home games every year. The rest of the league can play up to ten P5 games by scheduling ACC teams from the other division. The four NC teams could play each other every year. Everybody could accommodate the rotating ND game without having to give up another quality opponent.

I would make one change to existing divisions in this scenario. I would swap Miami and Clemson, which means Clemson and FSU would usually only play each other in the CCG.

I don't believe either conference can get a network on its own. Maybe this gets them there.

I don't like all the scheduling theatrics. As much as I complain about ACC teams overscheduling out of conference, the truth is that they play a ton of B1G and SEC teams, and even some PAC teams occasionally. On their own, you can see how infrequently ACC schools schedule the Big 12.

Having ACC schools have to lop off ACC and B1G foes from their schedule, to play schools where they have no alumni, recruit nobody, and have no traditional connection....that seems silly. If you want to schedule a Big 12 school, nobody's stopping anyone. Mandating a Big 12 opponent every year? You're giving up more than you get, in my opinion.

That said, a joint venture network is a bit intriguing IF ESPN was interested in rebranding ESPNU somehow. ESPNU is still in 20M less households than ESPN...if somehow such a rebranding got them in 10M more households and a higher subscription rate?

The entire idea is creative, but bad. It's a nice try to see something new, but it needs to be scrapped.

(02-23-2016 09:27 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 05:16 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  You wouldn't have to schedule 10 games, why not do 6? As for Clemson & FSU, they could play Texas or Oklahoma during years that they don't have ND or multiple SEC teams. You could have a season kickoff game that rotates teams. Can you imagine an FSU v Oklahoma season kickoff game? Pittsburgh & WV could play the last week of the season with the other rivalry games. Texas could keep the LHN & be exempt from this combined network. This would also give the northern baseball teams a southern place to play to start the season, & with quality opponents.

SU and WVU have a rivalry, too - and WVU vs. VPI is a great game. Additionally, northern baseball teams don't have a shortage of southern places to play at the start of the season. The problem is finding places where they can play that aren't on the road, and that's a facilities problem.

I also doubt that either UT or OU wants a yearly OOC rivalry game given their 9 game schedule. Even then, if they did, that rivalry game would be against Texas A&M and/or Nebraska.

That's why I cut it back from 10 games to 6, or even fewer. The B12 is now requiring a P5 OOG so this could be apart of that. You could have Oklahoma play in a season kickoff game every 4 years. A basketball challenge would be exciting. You could just bundle the 2 networks together.

(02-23-2016 09:40 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 09:27 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 05:16 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  You wouldn't have to schedule 10 games, why not do 6? As for Clemson & FSU, they could play Texas or Oklahoma during years that they don't have ND or multiple SEC teams. You could have a season kickoff game that rotates teams. Can you imagine an FSU v Oklahoma season kickoff game? Pittsburgh & WV could play the last week of the season with the other rivalry games. Texas could keep the LHN & be exempt from this combined network. This would also give the northern baseball teams a southern place to play to start the season, & with quality opponents.

SU and WVU have a rivalry, too - and WVU vs. VPI is a great game. Additionally, northern baseball teams don't have a shortage of southern places to play at the start of the season. The problem is finding places where they can play that aren't on the road, and that's a facilities problem.

I also doubt that either UT or OU wants a yearly OOC rivalry game given their 9 game schedule. Even then, if they did, that rivalry game would be against Texas A&M and/or Nebraska.

That's why I cut it back from 10 games to 6, or even fewer. The B12 is now requiring a P5 OOG so this could be apart of that. You could have Oklahoma play in a season kickoff game every 4 years. A basketball challenge would be exciting. You could just bundle the 2 networks together.

Trading the ACC-B1G challenge for an ACC-Big XII challenge would be a new loss, and trading B1G/SEC football games for Big XII games would be a net loss, too.

No, the ACC should not ever consider a joint venture with the BigXII.

The ACC's scheduling arrangements with both Notre Dame and (informally) the SEC and Big Ten are fine on their own merits. No need to overreact.

The fact still remains that no matter how many fans think the ACC sucks, the ACC is still more stable than the Big XII -- which is just one Texas ego-trip away from being "kaput!".

(02-23-2016 03:00 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I'll leave that decision to Jurich and Petrino.

After reading other comments it occurs to me the Big 12 lacks TV sets and we would lose money in this deal.

(02-24-2016 09:33 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  No, the ACC should not ever consider a joint venture with the BigXII.

What 4ever said!!!

How bout this conference?

ACC Atlantic
Florida State
Miami
Clemson
Louisville
NC State
Wake Forest
Pitt
Syracuse

ACC Coastal
Notre Dame
Texas
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Duke
Boston College
Virginia
Virginia Tech