Not hiring a veteran head coach from the very beginning. Yeah Wilson brought a little of that, but in all honesty Josh never believe the X's and O's were all that important and when his recruiting well dried up (in addition to all the transfers) there was nothing to fall back on.

Had Josh not been so stubborn, understood his deficiencies and addressed them, his tenure here would likely look a lot different. Unfortunately his ego wouldn't let him and he's paying the price now. This is also the reason why I don't think Josh will succeed in his next job.

Josh saw his wins in black and white terms and still does today, like many of his biggest supporters. Didn't matter how his early teams were winning games or who they were winning them against. Didn't matter we looked like an AAU team that got curb stomped against better coached teams with equal talent. The big picture to Josh was that we were winning lots of meaningless games and his biggest fans (most of which don't post here anymore) would champion these facts to those who were questioning what we saw on the court. There was a wealth of evidence in years two and three that Josh wasn't improving in the areas he needed improvement in and wasn't seeking to improve.

Anyways, I'm sad it's ending this way, but Josh dug his own grave as far as I'm concerned.




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I guess his legacy will be, how not to be a good coach, basically

The Dude is to nice

(02-21-2016 02:16 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  was taking the job in the first place.

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Not learning how to coach the game of basketball. Not EVER gaining the respect of his players. Allowing his arrogance to dividd the fanbase. Choosing one is pretty difficult.

(02-21-2016 05:21 PM)memphisike Wrote:  The Dude is to nice

I will say one thing on this note.

I get that people like that he returns calls, and that does indicate good things about JP.

But....

I'd rather he be (a) working, (b) relaxing with his family and/or leisure time, or © sleeping.

I get that it is cool that the HC calls people, but I actually wish he'd do it less. He doesn't owe us that and I think it might take time from him to do the above.

Not begrudging him this if he truly enjoys it, but I've always thought that was a little odd. I've almost emailed him just to say to stop responding to people and just do him.

Just my opinion, I could be off base here.

(02-21-2016 05:52 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  Not learning how to coach the game of basketball. Not EVER gaining the respect of his players. Allowing his arrogance to dividd the fanbase. Choosing one is pretty difficult.

I think Josh knows how to coach. I just dont think he knows how to motivate...

You can draw up a play or input a game plan, but if they players dont respect or fear you they wont go execute consistently.

(02-21-2016 06:04 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 05:52 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  Not learning how to coach the game of basketball. Not EVER gaining the respect of his players. Allowing his arrogance to dividd the fanbase. Choosing one is pretty difficult.

I think Josh knows how to coach. I just dont think he knows how to motivate...

You can draw up a play or input a game plan, but if they players dont respect or fear you they wont go execute consistently.

True about he respect part of it. I remember Joe Jackson always calling CJP as "Josh" in interviews all the time. That struck me as odd. I felt when he did that it was a dig at JP. He just never got the respect from many of the players.

His biggest mistake is being too hard headed and having too big an ego. That plays into not hiring a seasoned assistant. I heard that he was afraid the assistant would get all the credit. Larry Finch had a Dave Loos. Gene Bartow had a Lee Hunt.

(02-21-2016 07:31 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  His biggest mistake is being too hard headed and having too big an ego. That plays into not hiring a seasoned assistant. I heard that he was afraid the assistant would get all the credit. Larry Finch had a Dave Loos. Gene Bartow had a Lee Hunt.

Phil Jackson had Tex Winter, and Mike Ditka had Buddy Ryan. Josh is insecure as a head coach so he surrounded himself with yes men. That will be his downfall.

Good bosses surround themselves with good competent employees and lets them know he'll be there for them when they fall. Thats how you get the best out of them. Josh would never let one of his assistants shine so they just took up space.

The emperor had no clothes on.

His biggest mistake was not taking another job after the 2012-13 season.

Not following Cal to Kentucky

(02-21-2016 06:04 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 05:52 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  Not learning how to coach the game of basketball. Not EVER gaining the respect of his players. Allowing his arrogance to dividd the fanbase. Choosing one is pretty difficult.

I think Josh knows how to coach. I just dont think he knows how to motivate...

You can draw up a play or input a game plan, but if they players dont respect or fear you they wont go execute consistently.

I think this is 100% spot on. He was the player's friend instead of their coach. His kind, gentle, forgiving nature was never going to translate well to the responsibilities of a head coach. That's the genius of good coaches - to have assistants who specialize in different areas: discipline, film prep, game plan, running practices, academics, strength and conditioning. Also, although very intelligent, was untrusting and a micromanager. He took his job so seriously that his focus became narrower and narrower which caused people to see him as stubborn while he saw it as the responsibilities of being a head coach.

But, because of the core values, I believe -and many of you do also - that he will eventually succeed because he will finally learn to let go and manage things better. That's my opinion anyway.

(02-21-2016 06:04 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 05:52 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  Not learning how to coach the game of basketball. Not EVER gaining the respect of his players. Allowing his arrogance to dividd the fanbase. Choosing one is pretty difficult.

I think Josh knows how to coach. I just dont think he knows how to motivate...

You can draw up a play or input a game plan, but if they players dont respect or fear you they wont go execute consistently.

What about our offensive scheme(lack of) during his time here makes you think he can coach?

(02-21-2016 07:55 PM)Smith Wrote:  Not following Cal to Kentucky

He has one of the richest contracts in D1.

(02-21-2016 07:55 PM)Smith Wrote:  Not following Cal to Kentucky

He's millions richer. Turning down the opportunity would have been stupid.

Biggest mistake was going to four kings...Dixon wasn't needed and it backfired on him..that team was better and would've gone deeper in Tournament then CJP jacked up chemistry....That burned him in recruiting trial...

There are some AAU coaches in Memphis now that say..."I WILL NOT SEND ANOTHER KID THERE"

Josh biggest mistake was his arrogance.

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Biggest mistake was going to four kings...Dixon wasn't needed and it backfired on him..that team was better and would've gone deeper in Tournament then CJP jacked up chemistry....That burned him in recruiting trial...

There are some AAU coaches in Memphis now that say..."I WILL NOT SEND ANOTHER KID THERE"
[w/quote] I said that two yrs ago. His Recruiting has gone far, far south. What do we expect when players are not being coached properly.

His biggest mistake was never being consistent in things he does as a bball coach. Every changing lineups, team roles, team positions, player minutes, etc. 2nd biggest mistake was calling out some fans when he should have put the blame on himself.