Pastner took what may have been our second best recruiting class ever, and in 4 years won 2 NCAA games total. He destroyed the career of possibly top high school point guard Memphis has ever produced. He wrecked Will Barton's NBA career, throwing it off the tracks for years. He took Adonis Thomas and turned him into a two star player. He ran off perhaps his best player, Austin Nichols, failing to even communicate with the young man for months, or keep up with the teams dynamics during the off season. He never once signed an assistant who could truly coach and we will likely lose the heart of this team as Pastner walks out the door. I'm sure he will pocket millions in the process for stepping down so graciously. If he had a song to describe his career here, it should be, "I did it my way".

(02-21-2016 08:37 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Pastner took what may have been our second best recruiting class ever, and in 4 years won 2 NCAA games total. He destroyed the career of possibly top high school point guard Memphis has ever produced. He wrecked Will Barton's NBA career, throwing it off the tracks for years. He took Adonis Thomas and turned him into a two star player. He ran off perhaps his best player, Austin Nichols, failing to even communicate with the young man for months, or keep up with the teams dynamics during the off season. He never once signed an assistant who could truly coach and we will likely lose the heart of this team as Pastner walks out the door. I'm sure he will pocket millions in the process for stepping down so graciously. If he had a song to describe his career here, it should be, "I did it my way".

I love Will, but he wasn't ready for the NBA yet.
Josh had Cyprien and Willis Reed coaching with him the first couple of years..and I'd argue that BOTH of them can coach their azzes off.

I will always feel bad for these top guys who came to play for him and got nothing on the court out of it. Had we hired the right guy with the wave of talent that came out of this city his first few years we wouldn't have dropped off much at all.

(02-21-2016 10:47 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 10:46 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 10:32 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 10:23 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  I love how everyone wants to weep for the million who is incompetent at his job, but nobody seems upset about the kids whose basketball careers he has completely wasted

DJ stephens-
Will Barton- starter or sixth man with NBA team making some nice $ and setting himself up for bigger contract.

T Black is perceived failure of Josh. But, he is having similar problems in NBA that he had with Memphis and Kansas.

A Thomas is another perceived failure. He received poor advice to leave early.

Will Barton has taken years of development in the NBA just to work out what was taught by Josh.

Dj is a freak of nature that no one can take credit for.

Adonis digressed every game and everyone saw it.

Tarik was lazy and still is.

Do I need to list all of the 4 and 5 star players currently playing in countries other than this one?

DJ is the same thing he was when he came out of high school. A freak athlete that can neither dribble nor shoot. I never get the DJ got better deal. He just got more pt.

Swing and miss. DJ's per 40 minutes stats his senior year were up significantly in every category from his frosh season.

Now there are many players you can use as evidence against Pastner - players not improving and transferring. But you can't take away DJ's improvement just because you don't want to give any credit.

I feel bad at a personal level - just because Josh takes the time to add the personal touch.

At the same time, I feel bad for the players, parents, and us who have gone through the past few years.

(02-21-2016 08:37 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Pastner took what may have been our second best recruiting class ever, and in 4 years won 2 NCAA games total. He destroyed the career of possibly top high school point guard Memphis has ever produced. He wrecked Will Barton's NBA career, throwing it off the tracks for years. He took Adonis Thomas and turned him into a two star player. He ran off perhaps his best player, Austin Nichols, failing to even communicate with the young man for months, or keep up with the teams dynamics during the off season. He never once signed an assistant who could truly coach and we will likely lose the heart of this team as Pastner walks out the door. I'm sure he will pocket millions in the process for stepping down so graciously. If he had a song to describe his career here, it should be, "I did it my way".

"wrecked will barton's nba career"
I just dont get it

(02-21-2016 09:06 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I don't

I don't either.

I feel bad for all the fans of the u of m especially over the last year.

(02-22-2016 02:27 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 09:06 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I don't

I don't either.

I feel bad for all the fans of the u of m especially over the last year.

I am having waves of sadness after finding this shirt today, so I put it on just to remember those good ole days. We were a 2 seed--first game Cal State Northridge. Sallie saved us.

Just thinking where Barton would have been after 2 years with Cal and his discipline. No he wasn't ready, after 2 years with Pastner he wasn't one step closer to being NBA ready, that's why I used the word wrecked. His time here had to be repaired, like a car that was wrecked. It's the way I see it, yes Barton deserves some of the fault but the players lack basketball discipline. Pastner not communicating at all with Nichols over an entire summer explains a lot. Yes I wish it had turned out differently but looking back,, well Pastner only real success was Geron Johnson, and he does deserve credit for his development. We have been failing to achieve any real goals since Pastner signed on and have gotten worse every year. A 31 win team knocked out on opening weekend of the NCAAs, that's his best. Meanwhile he smiles as Johnson gets phantom fouls during the game. Sorry, just tired of it.

I don't feel sorry for Josh at all. You reap what you sow. His apparent refusal and/or inability to learn from his mistakes and reluctance to take helpful advice did him in. I just can't be sorry for someone like that will still benefit financially for being a failure.

(02-21-2016 09:56 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 09:27 AM)Smith Wrote:  He lasted longer than Porter. Memphis is no place for a first time coach in any sport.

It was horrible for Fuente.

facts, meh...

(02-21-2016 10:49 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 10:47 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 10:46 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 10:32 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 10:23 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  I love how everyone wants to weep for the million who is incompetent at his job, but nobody seems upset about the kids whose basketball careers he has completely wasted

DJ stephens-
Will Barton- starter or sixth man with NBA team making some nice $ and setting himself up for bigger contract.

T Black is perceived failure of Josh. But, he is having similar problems in NBA that he had with Memphis and Kansas.

A Thomas is another perceived failure. He received poor advice to leave early.

Will Barton has taken years of development in the NBA just to work out what was taught by Josh.

Dj is a freak of nature that no one can take credit for.

Adonis digressed every game and everyone saw it.

Tarik was lazy and still is.

Do I need to list all of the 4 and 5 star players currently playing in countries other than this one?

DJ is the same thing he was when he came out of high school. A freak athlete that can neither dribble nor shoot. I never get the DJ got better deal. He just got more pt.

^^^
You can't teach what DJ brings to the table. Playing time brought those gift to the forefront.

Agree, DJ has something not many others during CJP's tenure seemed to have, heart.

Never feel sorry for a millionaire.

Overall it really is hard to feel sorry for him but there are many aspects to this debacle about which I can sympathize with Josh on a personal level. Even those circumstances he created for himself can be identified with by every person who has pursued something and fell short. Hell, it's an even more bitter pill to swallow when one has to face that it was ones own behavior and decision making which led to ones failure.

The money aside of course...

(02-21-2016 09:29 AM)ndq1125 Wrote:  why would he think he could get the job done when he has underachieved every year hes been the coach?

He doesn't see it that way. We are delusional because the only success we had was Cal.

i don't feel sorry for him either

the nice guy act bought him 3-4 years more that he never should have gotten

he's set for life and the program is screwed

(02-22-2016 10:27 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  i don't feel sorry for him either

the nice guy act bought him 3-4 more years more that he never should have gotten

he's set for life and the program is screwed

Pretty had to argue against that, for sure.

I don't feel sorry for Josh. He's a nice guy, but not a d1 head coach. If he's leaving I wish him well. If he's staying, I hope year 8 is better. I also don't blame Josh for any of this. He didn't ask for the job. He didn't ask for the big contract. And it's apparent, he didn't ask for any help from his assistants.

(02-21-2016 10:19 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 10:47 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 10:46 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 10:32 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 10:23 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  I love how everyone wants to weep for the million who is incompetent at his job, but nobody seems upset about the kids whose basketball careers he has completely wasted

DJ stephens-
Will Barton- starter or sixth man with NBA team making some nice $ and setting himself up for bigger contract.

T Black is perceived failure of Josh. But, he is having similar problems in NBA that he had with Memphis and Kansas.

A Thomas is another perceived failure. He received poor advice to leave early.

Will Barton has taken years of development in the NBA just to work out what was taught by Josh.

Dj is a freak of nature that no one can take credit for.

Adonis digressed every game and everyone saw it.

Tarik was lazy and still is.

Do I need to list all of the 4 and 5 star players currently playing in countries other than this one?

DJ is the same thing he was when he came out of high school. A freak athlete that can neither dribble nor shoot. I never get the DJ got better deal. He just got more pt.

Swing and miss. DJ's per 40 minutes stats his senior year were up significantly in every category from his frosh season.

Now there are many players you can use as evidence against Pastner - players not improving and transferring. But you can't take away DJ's improvement just because you don't want to give any credit.

What's interesting is that DJ wasn't even allowed to practice with the team his senior year.

(02-21-2016 10:19 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 10:47 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 10:46 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 10:32 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 10:23 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  I love how everyone wants to weep for the million who is incompetent at his job, but nobody seems upset about the kids whose basketball careers he has completely wasted

DJ stephens-
Will Barton- starter or sixth man with NBA team making some nice $ and setting himself up for bigger contract.

T Black is perceived failure of Josh. But, he is having similar problems in NBA that he had with Memphis and Kansas.

A Thomas is another perceived failure. He received poor advice to leave early.

Will Barton has taken years of development in the NBA just to work out what was taught by Josh.

Dj is a freak of nature that no one can take credit for.

Adonis digressed every game and everyone saw it.

Tarik was lazy and still is.

Do I need to list all of the 4 and 5 star players currently playing in countries other than this one?

DJ is the same thing he was when he came out of high school. A freak athlete that can neither dribble nor shoot. I never get the DJ got better deal. He just got more pt.

Swing and miss. DJ's per 40 minutes stats his senior year were up significantly in every category from his frosh season.

Now there are many players you can use as evidence against Pastner - players not improving and transferring. But you can't take away DJ's improvement just because you don't want to give any credit.

Link?


Edit: just found the link. Check his stats per 40 minutes. Hardly any difference


http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/play...ens-1.html


The only difference was his freshman year where he was probably yanked out every time he missed a shot. The rest of the years are minuscule.