(02-21-2016 12:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-20-2016 11:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think the AD at Long Beach State stated similar thoughts. It would be a gift to the MWC to get the LA market. I think UTRGV would go to the Southland 1st. But after that? Where will they go?

I don't think the MWC would expand for a move up unless something drastic happened. I think a more likely spot for LB would be as a football only FCS member of the Big Sky.

UTRGV is probably looking at the Southland. From a practical standpoint, its unlikely that there would be any place for them beyond that for a while. The Southland is really the only place for them in FCS that makes sense. And CUSA has no place for them (and already has at least two Texas teams that aren't going anywhere). The Belt has a group of teams that are vociferously opposed to adding Southland schools. And UTPA isn't even in the Southland.

The more I look at this, it seems as though UTRGV is making moves to get in the Southland. Which would be a much better place for them IMHO than the WAC.

Since San Diego State is up there in academics, PAC 12 is interested in getting the San Diego market to stop Big 12 on thinking of getting them. Long Beach State can replace San Diego State to replace a lost tv market.

(02-20-2016 05:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  The teams they are getting shelled by are absolute juggernauts. Teams that have been to several state champ games and produce 4 and 5 star talent and would shell just about anyone in the country. I'm sure there is a lot of overlooked 2 star and occasional 3 star FBS talent in the valley that would thrive there.

It's not that simple really. Even against Cinderella teams in the later rounds, they struggle. El Paso and Valley teams and generally smaller and no as well coached as teams from other parts of the state.

(02-20-2016 09:40 PM)panama Wrote:  LOL. Sir you do not know much about the Valley. It's a wintering place for Winter Texans. The plenty to do down there is go to Mexico or the island. Pretty much covers it. There is always a huge wedding to attend with about 1000 other people so there is that.

South Padre Island is not part of the RGV any more than El Paso is in Central Texas. SPI is coastal Texas.

People sure do like arguing about nothing

(02-21-2016 06:17 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 12:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-20-2016 11:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think the AD at Long Beach State stated similar thoughts. It would be a gift to the MWC to get the LA market. I think UTRGV would go to the Southland 1st. But after that? Where will they go?

I don't think the MWC would expand for a move up unless something drastic happened. I think a more likely spot for LB would be as a football only FCS member of the Big Sky.

UTRGV is probably looking at the Southland. From a practical standpoint, its unlikely that there would be any place for them beyond that for a while. The Southland is really the only place for them in FCS that makes sense. And CUSA has no place for them (and already has at least two Texas teams that aren't going anywhere). The Belt has a group of teams that are vociferously opposed to adding Southland schools. And UTPA isn't even in the Southland.

The more I look at this, it seems as though UTRGV is making moves to get in the Southland. Which would be a much better place for them IMHO than the WAC.

Since San Diego State is up there in academics, PAC 12 is interested in getting the San Diego market to stop Big 12 on thinking of getting them. Long Beach State can replace San Diego State to replace a lost tv market.

While I think SDSU is an excellent choice for Big XII expansion, I'm probably the one of the few that is thinking that. For better or worse, SDSU is probably not on the PAC 12 radar.

If the MWC lost SDSU, they'd want to be back in Southern California. But the bigger problem for them would be to replace the football and basketball success that SDSU represents.

SDSU is a good school. But UC-San Diego is the higher ranked academic institution in San Diego.

I really thought UT-Arlington would be the next Texas school to start football. They've been going the slower way about it though, first spending money to upgrade basketball arena, and I believe they've done improvements to baseball and softball facilities as well. Last year they announced a women's golf team, and most people think they'd start a women's soccer team as well whenever they restart football. Does RGV wanting to start football (especially with FBS goal) have any affect on getting the UT system to also approve Arlington? They're obviously in completely different parts of the state, but being in the same system I'm not sure if they'd want both schools trying to start programs at about the same time.

On an unrelated note, I could see A&M International developing a good rivalry with RGV in 20-30 years once both schools really begin developing. A&M International is much smaller right now though, not sure how quickly they are expecting it to grow. Could be a great travel partner eventually though.

(02-21-2016 10:09 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 06:17 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 12:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-20-2016 11:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think the AD at Long Beach State stated similar thoughts. It would be a gift to the MWC to get the LA market. I think UTRGV would go to the Southland 1st. But after that? Where will they go?

I don't think the MWC would expand for a move up unless something drastic happened. I think a more likely spot for LB would be as a football only FCS member of the Big Sky.

UTRGV is probably looking at the Southland. From a practical standpoint, its unlikely that there would be any place for them beyond that for a while. The Southland is really the only place for them in FCS that makes sense. And CUSA has no place for them (and already has at least two Texas teams that aren't going anywhere). The Belt has a group of teams that are vociferously opposed to adding Southland schools. And UTPA isn't even in the Southland.

The more I look at this, it seems as though UTRGV is making moves to get in the Southland. Which would be a much better place for them IMHO than the WAC.

Since San Diego State is up there in academics, PAC 12 is interested in getting the San Diego market to stop Big 12 on thinking of getting them. Long Beach State can replace San Diego State to replace a lost tv market.

While I think SDSU is an excellent choice for Big XII expansion, I'm probably the one of the few that is thinking that. For better or worse, SDSU is probably not on the PAC 12 radar.

If the MWC lost SDSU, they'd want to be back in Southern California. But the bigger problem for them would be to replace the football and basketball success that SDSU represents.

SDSU is a good school. But UC-San Diego is the higher ranked academic institution in San Diego.

One tiny problem with UC San Diego; they don't have football and they are not even Division 1 yet.

(02-21-2016 07:38 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 10:09 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 06:17 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 12:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-20-2016 11:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think the AD at Long Beach State stated similar thoughts. It would be a gift to the MWC to get the LA market. I think UTRGV would go to the Southland 1st. But after that? Where will they go?

I don't think the MWC would expand for a move up unless something drastic happened. I think a more likely spot for LB would be as a football only FCS member of the Big Sky.

UTRGV is probably looking at the Southland. From a practical standpoint, its unlikely that there would be any place for them beyond that for a while. The Southland is really the only place for them in FCS that makes sense. And CUSA has no place for them (and already has at least two Texas teams that aren't going anywhere). The Belt has a group of teams that are vociferously opposed to adding Southland schools. And UTPA isn't even in the Southland.

The more I look at this, it seems as though UTRGV is making moves to get in the Southland. Which would be a much better place for them IMHO than the WAC.

Since San Diego State is up there in academics, PAC 12 is interested in getting the San Diego market to stop Big 12 on thinking of getting them. Long Beach State can replace San Diego State to replace a lost tv market.

While I think SDSU is an excellent choice for Big XII expansion, I'm probably the one of the few that is thinking that. For better or worse, SDSU is probably not on the PAC 12 radar.

If the MWC lost SDSU, they'd want to be back in Southern California. But the bigger problem for them would be to replace the football and basketball success that SDSU represents.

SDSU is a good school. But UC-San Diego is the higher ranked academic institution in San Diego.

One tiny problem with UC San Diego; they don't have football and they are not even Division 1 yet.

I get that. I'm thinking that perhaps people might have the two schools confused.

(02-21-2016 08:03 AM)panama Wrote:  People sure do like arguing about nothing

Yeah, because that doesn't happen all the time on message boards. What's the point of even debating? You're free to feel how you feel.

(02-21-2016 06:44 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-20-2016 05:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  The teams they are getting shelled by are absolute juggernauts. Teams that have been to several state champ games and produce 4 and 5 star talent and would shell just about anyone in the country. I'm sure there is a lot of overlooked 2 star and occasional 3 star FBS talent in the valley that would thrive there.

It's not that simple really. Even against Cinderella teams in the later rounds, they struggle. El Paso and Valley teams and generally smaller and no as well coached as teams from other parts of the state.

(02-20-2016 09:40 PM)panama Wrote:  LOL. Sir you do not know much about the Valley. It's a wintering place for Winter Texans. The plenty to do down there is go to Mexico or the island. Pretty much covers it. There is always a huge wedding to attend with about 1000 other people so there is that.

South Padre Island is not part of the RGV any more than El Paso is in Central Texas. SPI is coastal Texas.

Padre is 45 minutes from both Brownsville and Harlingen

(02-21-2016 09:39 PM)PGEMF Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 06:44 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-20-2016 05:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  The teams they are getting shelled by are absolute juggernauts. Teams that have been to several state champ games and produce 4 and 5 star talent and would shell just about anyone in the country. I'm sure there is a lot of overlooked 2 star and occasional 3 star FBS talent in the valley that would thrive there.

It's not that simple really. Even against Cinderella teams in the later rounds, they struggle. El Paso and Valley teams and generally smaller and no as well coached as teams from other parts of the state.

(02-20-2016 09:40 PM)panama Wrote:  LOL. Sir you do not know much about the Valley. It's a wintering place for Winter Texans. The plenty to do down there is go to Mexico or the island. Pretty much covers it. There is always a huge wedding to attend with about 1000 other people so there is that.

South Padre Island is not part of the RGV any more than El Paso is in Central Texas. SPI is coastal Texas.

Padre is 45 minutes from both Brownsville and Harlingen

Yep

But sure am enjoying the mischaracterizations and general running around like their hair is on fire. Rio Grande is coming! Oh no!


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(02-21-2016 09:39 PM)PGEMF Wrote:  Padre is 45 minutes from both Brownsville and Harlingen

It's still not in the same area any more than Corpus is to San Antonio. Just my opinion, I see where you guys are coming from.

(02-21-2016 09:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 09:39 PM)PGEMF Wrote:  Padre is 45 minutes from both Brownsville and Harlingen

It's still not in the same area any more than Corpus is to San Antonio. Just my opinion, I see where you guys are coming from.

Residents disagree with you. LOL

Upon closer inspection of the map: SPI is very much in the area. As a Texas resident, I always assumed SPI was a lot closer to Corpus than it was to the lower Valley but it's like Galveston to Houston, so you win the argument.