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(02-18-2016 11:10 AM)Noworriesbro Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 10:49 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 08:29 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  everyone's an insider these days...

Don't worry Hank I'll be an outsider with you, apparently we are just a couple of plebeians.

Also, this might be the most amusing thread I've seen on here in a while. Whaler just blew this guy apart.03-nutkick

gotta love how the uconn and cincy fans saying i got exposed, would you guys like peanut butter with that jelly? lol

That doesn't make sense, you've given us nothing to be jealous about? 03-confused
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(02-18-2016 11:18 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 11:10 AM)Noworriesbro Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 10:49 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 08:29 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  everyone's an insider these days...

Don't worry Hank I'll be an outsider with you, apparently we are just a couple of plebeians.

Also, this might be the most amusing thread I've seen on here in a while. Whaler just blew this guy apart.03-nutkick

gotta love how the uconn and cincy fans saying i got exposed, would you guys like peanut butter with that jelly? lol

That doesn't make sense, you've given us nothing to be jealous about? 03-confused

ive given you 40 million reasons why.
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(02-18-2016 11:06 AM)Noworriesbro Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 10:24 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 09:23 AM)Noworriesbro Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 08:29 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  everyone's an insider these days...

sure is, everyone on twitter posting what they heard today...lol. this has been going on for years and decades, its quite a game.

i will say this though, i def stand by what i predicted and how rutgers got into the big, anyone with a brain can find out the stories all line up , except for the gw fans and the have nots, who shouldnt be allowed to even post here as they ruin this forum. those guys are the ultimate downers.

but one thing i would say that would alter my projection is i wouldnt rule out the wild card move of texas to the acc because the acc will let them bring some friends unlike the pac. the problem is the pac has the money, so texas will have to decide and im sure money wins everytime but there is a chance the acc, if they do it right, could end up with texas and notre dame.

LOL. Enjoy losing 25 games a year in basketball for the forseeable future. By the way, when midpack A-10 schools have to worry about scheduling a B1G team because even if they beat you by 40 points it craters their RPI....you're not helping your conference.

When you spend decades at sub Sun Belt levels of football performance, then have one good (but not great season), then fall right back to the basement....you're not helping your conference.

And you're currently ranked as a peer of American University in the latest rankings. Not bad, but you aren't a peer of Michigan or Northwestern.

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Have not? That would be Rutgers. They 'have not' been to a NCAA tournament in 25 years. They 'have not' won a NCAA tournament game in 33 years. In football, they 'have not' had a conference championship in decades of playing in lower level P5. They 'have not' won many high profile or even medium profile wins.

Do you have ANY wins in the last 10 years that a real P5 team would point to and say ... 'see we did that'?

And yet, many of their fans confuse getting a bid to the P5 with actually belonging there. And try to use the strengths of others to cheerlead separation that they didn't earn and they'd never have if the cable TV contracts were designed differently.

good thing none of that matters when you look at future and potential. give a school like rutgers 40 mil a year instead of 4 mil a year and im willing to bet things will change in the future. you come off as raging that a school so terrible in basketball is getting a big boy seat.

again, when did winning have anything to do with moving up in conferences? thats why the decision makers are smarter than you. its about money my friend, thats why rutgers got in, thats why any other school will get in, because they bring money and whatever small time school you like is not. deal with it

Give Rutgers 100 mill a year and they'd blow it.

What did you do in basketball when you got a Big East bid...Nothing
What did you do in football when you got a BCS slot...Nothing
How have you done in football or basketball in the B1G in 1.5 seasons.. More of the same

Smart? Rutgers' Athletic Department? Rutgers Athletic Department has made more news than its sports teams recently. And for all the wrong reasons. When I think RU Athletic Department, the word "Circus" comes to mind.

GW has an endowment 50% larger than RU's. Its also a better school than RU according to many rankings. Congrats on getting passed by Clemson in the academic rankings.

And the money won't be there for long. You see everything is going 'a la carte' within the next 5-10 years. And Rutgers isn't going to have a lot of value in that scenario.

But look at this way, having Rutgers in the conference will allow B1G ten teams with real P5 fanbases to have marketing/alumni events and fill your stadium/arena with their fans.

By all means, continue to put up some more nonexistent metrics that are unobservable to anyone outside of your conference as to why you bring any incremental academic value or any athletic value whatsoever to the B1G conference.

Btw, I'm not mad because GW is in the Atlantic 10. We've done more there than you did. And we do more there than you ever will in the B1G. And its not because we're all that. But you certainly aren't even close to GW in basketball. Nor am I mad that USA isn't in the P5. We're doing just fine in the Belt (and we actually had a better football win than you guys did last year btw). We're not all that. But we'll continue to do more with less while Rutgers just becomes a cautionary tale about realignment gone wrong.

Where I get irritated is when RU fans try to pretend that they're a 'real P5' and start trying to cheerlead separation that has no basis in fan support, athletic success, or even academic prowess. By the way, you don't see TCU, Louisville, or West Virginia fans on here screeching about how much better they are than the G5. Something to think about.
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Give Rutgers 100 mill a year and they'd blow it.

What did you do in basketball when you got a Big East bid...Nothing
What did you do in football when you got a BCS slot...Nothing
How have you done in football or basketball in the B1G in 1.5 seasons.. More of the same

Smart? Rutgers' Athletic Department? Rutgers Athletic Department has made more news than its sports teams recently. And for all the wrong reasons. When I think RU Athletic Department, the word "Circus" comes to mind.

GW has an endowment 50% larger than RU's. Its also a better school than RU according to many rankings. Congrats on getting passed by Clemson in the academic rankings.

And the money won't be there for long. You see everything is going 'a la carte' within the next 5-10 years. And Rutgers isn't going to have a lot of value in that scenario.

But look at this way, having Rutgers in the conference will allow B1G ten teams with real fanbases to have marketing/alumni events and fill your stadium/arena with their fans.
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your just thinking like the rest of the sheep. as far as ru media problems, it comes with the territory. rutgers has a few players arrested for robbery and the call is to shut the program down, yet psu harbored a pedo for years and goes on abc the whole next season, fsu has about 5 rapes a year and can claim an NC, tennesse is , well.......bascially, its unfair but that is life. lets not make ru seem like its worse than the media portrays it. perception is more important than reality from reading your post, which is the way the world works.

ru basketball is any easy fix, it just needs and influx of money, ru put every dime and penny into football and it worked out. bball is an easy fix with the big ten money.

football did nothing? maybe it didnt go to a bcs bowl, but rutgers football did go to about 9 bowl games out of 10 years, its attendance rate was middle of the pack for the big ten (while in the big east), its attendance capacity would be up in the big and it got some very highly rated games. top 5 apr year after year, has successful nfl players, even in rus first year it got some of the highest rated btn games. but obviously your thinking of rutgers before the year 2006, which is fair , but im talking recent history. rutgers may not have won the title out right, but lets not pretend they were not a winning record program pretty much every year.

rutgers went 8-5 their first year in the big with wins over indiana, umd and michigan so im not sure what your trying to say. guess you just looked at last year instead, which is fair but now rutgers had the money to make changes.

gw? really, you dont have football, so i could care less about comparison. gw is a great school no doubt, i love visiting my cousin there, but i love football and would pick ru 100 times over.

i cant comment on the a la carte topic, but money is going to be made so stop making things up

dont know how you can say ru doesnt have a real fanbase if you look up the attendance rankings the past 10 years at least, i dont know where you make this stuff up.
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a lot of you guys are just not educated enough in this topic, have any of you even watched football? heres last years spring game attendance, i mean SPRING GAME lol and ru has no fanbase. what world do you come from?

1 Ohio State 99,391
2 Nebraska 76,881
3 Penn State 68,000
4 Alabama 65,175
5 Tennessee 63,016
6 Auburn 62,143
7 Michigan 60,000
8 Michigan State 48,000
9 Georgia 46,815
10 Oklahoma 42,807
11 Arkansas 41,220
12 Clemson 37,000
13 Oregon 35,808
14 Missouri 30,117
15 Louisville 23,187
16 USC 22,788
17 South Carolina 22,580
18 Florida 21,000
19 Florida State 17,250
20 Oklahoma State 16,000
21 Rutgers 15,782
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gonna do one more post here to silence the haters. here is this years attendance. now let me know when the grown ups wanna talk serious

Michigan: 110,168
Ohio State: 107,244
Penn State: 99,799
Nebraska: 89,998
Wisconsin: 78,014
Michigan State: 74,661
Iowa: 63,142
Minnesota: 52,355
Rutgers: 47,723
Maryland: 44,341
Indiana: 44,314
Illinois: 41,342
Purdue: 37,508
Northwestern: 33,366
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While I'm waiting on the repairman to show up, I'll look up your record in football.

Lets see how many wins over teams that had 7 FBS wins or more in the last 10 years...

2015 - 0 wins over teams that had a winning record
2014 - Beat Navy (7 FBS wins)
2013 - 0 wins over teams that had a winning record.
2012 - Syracuse (7 FBS wins) and Cincy (8 FBS wins)
2011 - Ohio (9 FBS wins) and Cincinnati (9 FBS wins)
2010 - Uconn (7 FBS wins)
2009 - Uconn (7 FBS wins)
2008 - USF (7 FBS wins), Kansas (7 FBS wins), Uconn (7 FBS wins)
2007 - Navy (8 FBS wins), USF (8 FBS wins)
2006 - Louisville (12 FBS wins), Navy (7 FBS wins), USF (8 FBS wins),

I see ONE legitimate 'big boy P5 level win', and that was Louisville 10 years ago. Congrats. 2006-2008 was a nice, but not spectacular, run. After that, you're averaging 1 win a year over winning teams (and all of them were G5 teams).

One win in the last 3 years against a team with a winning FBS record (over G5 Navy). Even sucky South Alabama of the Suck Belt (or whatever pejorative you want to call it) has 3 of those in the last 3 years.

One win over a P5 team that had a winning FBS record in 10 years. Congrats on beating Kansas in 2008.
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(02-18-2016 11:52 AM)Noworriesbro Wrote:  gonna do one more post here to silence the haters. here is this years attendance. now let me know when the grown ups wanna talk serious

Michigan: 110,168
Ohio State: 107,244
Penn State: 99,799
Nebraska: 89,998
Wisconsin: 78,014
Michigan State: 74,661
Iowa: 63,142
Minnesota: 52,355
Rutgers: 47,723
Maryland: 44,341
Indiana: 44,314
Illinois: 41,342
Purdue: 37,508
Northwestern: 33,366

Filling the stadium with thousands of people chanting "Go Green, Go White" or "Go Big Red" doesn't really speak much for your program. I get that it can be hard to figure out how many fans in a given stadium belong to any given team. Especially when the RU fans have little to cheer for.
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(02-18-2016 11:22 AM)Noworriesbro Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 11:18 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 11:10 AM)Noworriesbro Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 10:49 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 08:29 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  everyone's an insider these days...

Don't worry Hank I'll be an outsider with you, apparently we are just a couple of plebeians.

Also, this might be the most amusing thread I've seen on here in a while. Whaler just blew this guy apart.03-nutkick

gotta love how the uconn and cincy fans saying i got exposed, would you guys like peanut butter with that jelly? lol

That doesn't make sense, you've given us nothing to be jealous about? 03-confused

ive given you 40 million reasons why.

So to recap:

-You're an "old man" that says things like no worries bro and "gotta" or "wanna".
-you came here claiming to be in the AD office at some point and turns out you were rehashing a story from another website where you claimed you only knew a Rutgers booster.
-Didn't even know what year you're own school joined the AAU (nice work Mr. employee)
-Say things like "I'm not here to tell you what's right and wrong" and then precede to tell us all we are wrong.
-You apparently aren't too old to know all about twitter and who posts what on there and say "lol"
-Then conclude with "silencing the haters"

Your right dude I'm "totes jelly" (is that how you old people say it?) I'm Green with envy over here.
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(02-17-2016 11:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-17-2016 07:53 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-17-2016 06:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If you have to constantly defend your admission to a conference...

You weren't a good pick.

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Enjoy the fantasy that Rutgers is better than anyone in the G5 or D1.

And from those of us who've followed your program for decades...there's little evidence that you'll improve in the future. 1 Conference win in football. Congrats on beating an 0-12 Kansas team and an awful Army squad too.

And in basketball? Oh my God, you guys suck. But that's been a pretty much permanent condition for your program. Last NCAA tournament bid...25 years ago. Last NCAA tournament win... 33 years ago. Currently you are 0-13 in the B1G. Last year, 2-16. And the suckitude goes on as far as the eye can see.

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Maybe I was a bit harsh... Rutgers is slightly better than Fordham in football/basketball.
And your national ranking is 72 per USNWR. Sounds about right. Behind Clemson

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So please, continue to argue that the B1G has some sort of special criteria that is unobservable to anyone outside of the B1G Ten in which Rutgers makes sense.

I know exactly why Rutgers got into the B1G. Its not hard. The B1G wanted to force people in Philly, NJ, and NYC to pay money to the Big Ten in order to receive any cable programming. The vast majority of those customers don't watch Rutgers sports and never will. Also, Penn State wanted some closer and weaker rivals.

But understand...no one is questioning conference bids for Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M, West Virginia, Louisville. Just you guys.

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And you better hope all of this realignment (where Rutgers will be kept in the bigs) happens before more cord cutting happens. Forcing people in NYC to pay for Rutgers football in order to get cable has a limited time frame.

Is the South Alabama/GWU fan talking smack? I'm sorry we all couldn't be in the sunbelt.

Yes. GWU regularly beats the tar out of RU. And its not an upset when RU gets curb stomped by the Colonials. Heck its not an upset when RU gets curb stomped by anyone. By the way, your team this year is the worst team I have EVER seen at the D1 level in over 30 years of watching college basketball. And that includes watching USA play IUPUI or UT-Pan American. I am stunned you have any wins this year. I'm not surprised you have 0 wins in the B1G.

And then there's your football. Pretty much everyone else but you and Temple managed to win the Big East. A couple of okay to decent seasons. Cincy, Uconn, UCF, Houston, and even NIU have better football resumes.

So yes, a fan of South friggin' Alabama is looking at RU football and saying.. "you ain't all that...". With all of your markets and conference bumps and other advantages...you still don't do much with it. Our football programs are probably about the same. Difference is...we don't try and pretend that we're supposed to be in the B1G. And that's what RU does in the B1G....Pretends.

You've beaten Arkansas. So has ULM. You've beaten Michigan. So has App State. You've beaten Indiana. UNT did that several times when they were having okay years in the Sun Belt. I think you beat Louisville. So did FIU when they were in the Sun Belt. You've beaten Maryland. A Sun Belt team did that too. Twice in a row.

Nobody does less with more than RU. You did nothing with your move from the A-10 to the Big East. One good(ish) season in a down Big East. A couple of mediocre seasons in football...And my God, your basketball....your basketball...your basketball.

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And RU's response is that the school is somehow God's gift to academic excellence. USNWR ranks you at 72. Its a good ranking. But its behind GW. And even behind Clemson. And Nebraska got tossed from the AAU so its not like the B1G is some sort of academic conference.
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Look, just be grateful the B1G and ESPN have a stranglehold on cable systems in the Philly/NJ/NYC area and are able to force consumers that aren't really interested in RU basketball/football to pay them in order to watch non-sports programming on cable. If I'm Rutgers, I'd try to fix your basketball program and win some football games before a la carte comes to cable.

Vandy and Iowa State don't run around throwing smack at G5 schools. Neither does Wake Forest. They don't try to cheerlead some break up of FBS.

A little humility and a lot more wins on RU's part would go a long way. And the recognition that RU isn't better than anyone else in the G5. So the next time one of you guys try to cheerlead FBS splitting up, we're going to call RU out as no better (or even worse) than some of the programs in the G5

You keep going on and on about how bad RU is like your schools are any good. When was the last time GW won the A10? Hell the best teams left and you still can't win that conference.

South Alabama shouldn't even be FBS, it's a joke that you guys are even at that level.

No one said we were gods gift, thats you being insecure. We are in the Big Ten and compete against the best in the country in both FB and BBall. We're not in the Sunbelt or A-10. How about you worry about your own crappy program instead of worrying about anyone elses.
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(02-17-2016 10:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  The OP brings up good points but I can't believe anything is an original thought...just looks like a troll of UConn.

Actually I think he's trolling UConn AND Rutgers by creating pile-on Rutgers #23457 on here.

And closed...
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