(02-14-2016 09:23 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  Totally wrong. The short list is BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, UConn and probably Memphis. That's what all the speculation from Big 12 writers has been. Boren said he couldn't name the schools being considered, but the speculation was pretty much right on the 6 or 7 schools they considered a "fit."

I hear that Memphis has been eliminated from the discussion.

If there is a 7th school in the mix, it would not surprise me if it was Colorado St depending on the seriousness of BYU's candidacy.

And Greg Swaim (who has never given UH the time of day in the Big 12 expansion tweeting wars) now says BYU, Houston and Cincy are the top 3 candidates:

@GSwaim GREG SWAIM SHOW
Looking like #BYU, #UCBearcats, #Houston top three...hearing a lot schools for fourth spot.

Temple is in the mix.

(02-14-2016 08:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 04:38 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 02:16 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 01:52 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  I wish people would just stop with the UConn to the Big XII theories. With the exception of recent basketball success, you could use just about any metric you wish and there are other more attractive candidates. Almost any school would be closer to the footprint (sans WVU). Cincinnati, Rice and Tulane have larger endowments and are rated higher academically. Several schools have larger student populations and just about anyone boasts a better natural recruiting territory.

The point is that no matter what characteristics the Big XII finds most attractive in a candidate, they don't have to go all the way to Connecticutt to get it.

Exactly. And they can bring in just about anybody from the AAC or MWC and get comparable or better football pedigree. And football is the biggest driver of TV revenue.

You are aware that UCONN football is no longer the dumpster fire it was 3-4 years ago, right? Or is your dislike of UCONN so strong that you can't look at things objectionably?

Your bias is that you can't see that UConn is nothing in football. How many conference titles? 1 shared in the last 40 years or so with most of that time in FBS? I don't care about UConn one way or the other. I just don't want to add somebody just so Kansas has someone they can beat in football.

So we've established that you still think UCONN goes 2-10 on the regular, and we've also confirmed your extreme hatred of UCONN. Why? Well only you know the answer to that question. I'd only be speculating.

If you'll humour me, who played Marshall at 11am on 12/26/2015? Thanks in advance.

(02-14-2016 09:23 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  Totally wrong. The short list is BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, UConn and probably Memphis. That's what all the speculation from Big 12 writers has been. Boren said he couldn't name the schools being considered, but the speculation was pretty much right on the 6 or 7 schools they considered a "fit."

I hear that Memphis has been eliminated from the discussion.

If there is a 7th school in the mix, it would not surprise me if it was Colorado St depending on the seriousness of BYU's candidacy.

And Greg Swaim (who has never given UH the time of day in the Big 12 expansion tweeting wars) now says BYU, Houston and Cincy are the top 3 candidates:

@GSwaim GREG SWAIM SHOW
Looking like #BYU, #UCBearcats, #Houston top three...hearing a lot schools for fourth spot.

We all know that if Greg Swaim says something on Twitter, it's the gospel truth. Take it to Vegas and bet the house on it.

(02-14-2016 09:37 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:23 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  Totally wrong. The short list is BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, UConn and probably Memphis. That's what all the speculation from Big 12 writers has been. Boren said he couldn't name the schools being considered, but the speculation was pretty much right on the 6 or 7 schools they considered a "fit."

I hear that Memphis has been eliminated from the discussion.

If there is a 7th school in the mix, it would not surprise me if it was Colorado St depending on the seriousness of BYU's candidacy.

And Greg Swaim (who has never given UH the time of day in the Big 12 expansion tweeting wars) now says BYU, Houston and Cincy are the top 3 candidates:

@GSwaim GREG SWAIM SHOW
Looking like #BYU, #UCBearcats, #Houston top three...hearing a lot schools for fourth spot.

Temple is in the mix.

You spelled Tulane wrong.

I rather take Tulane, Cincy, Temple, and CSU.

(02-15-2016 12:19 AM)KUGR Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 12:24 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Article by UConn beat writer/blogger Matt Schonvisky citing a "source."

Navigate also recommended other schools to the Big 12, but no information on which other schools Navigate recommended, or even whether the Big 12 will expand.

The source also said several Big 12 members have begun talking with their TV partners about ending their Tier 3 rights packages. A necessary step for a conference network.

Considering the author, sounds like the "source" is from UConn, not Chicago-based Navigate.

Being on a "list" and being at the TOP of that list are not necessarily the same thing.....if this is even accurate considering the source is not Navigate Research but a homer UCONN blog.

That said, back in May of 2012 Navigate Research did some research on Big East expansion for football schools for the Big East conference. At the time, Rutgers and Louisville were still in the Big East. Navigate Research estimated the Big East could pull in about $7.8 million in a TV deal for football schools + $3.2 million for basketball. They estimated that if BYU was added that number for football would go to $8 million+ thus grading BYU superior to the schools already in the conference in terms of value for a TV deal.

Source: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news...firm-says/


All these metrics will grade BYU out on top. Interesting to see what the B12 eventually does.

(02-15-2016 12:22 AM)KUGR Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:23 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  I hear that Memphis has been eliminated from the discussion.

And Houston hasn't? LOL

Brother, between 2014 and 2018 Houston has built/will build the following:

$128M football stadium (2014)
$20M indoor football practice facility (2017)
$25M basketball practice facility (2015)
$60M renovation of basketball arena (2018)
$10M upgrades to baseball stadium (2014-16)

In addition, we pay our football coach $3M and our basketball coach $1M.

You think we are doing all that after being eliminated from the Big 12 discussion?

(02-15-2016 07:15 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 12:22 AM)KUGR Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:23 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  I hear that Memphis has been eliminated from the discussion.

And Houston hasn't? LOL

Brother, between 2014 and 2018 Houston has built/will build the following:

$128M football stadium (2014)
$20M indoor football practice facility (2017)
$25M basketball practice facility (2015)
$60M renovation of basketball arena (2018)
$10M upgrades to baseball stadium (2014-16)

In addition, we pay our football coach $3M and our basketball coach $1M.

You think we are doing all that after being eliminated from the Big 12 discussion?

Memphis has been doing the same thing. Memphis is more likely to join the big 12 than Houston.

If Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas leave, the Big 12 will need to add five (5) teams to get to twelve (12).

Connecticut
Temple
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas State


Memphis
Oklahoma State
Houston
TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech

This could happen.

(02-15-2016 08:20 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  If Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas leave, the Big 12 will need to add five (5) teams to get to twelve (12).

Connecticut
Temple
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas State


Memphis
Oklahoma State
Houston
TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech

This could happen.

This just makes me miss the big 8 and old big 12 more.

(02-15-2016 09:07 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 08:20 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  If Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas leave, the Big 12 will need to add five (5) teams to get to twelve (12).

Connecticut
Temple
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas State


Memphis
Oklahoma State
Houston
TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech

This could happen.

This just makes me miss the big 8 and old big 12 more.

Welcome to our world (old Big East Teams)

Everyone should go on the assumption that Cincy is the 11th team. They make the MOST sense and are easily available. They help with the WV island thing. A good brand, with decent academics. New state, albeit slightly. Part of the whole realignment thing is that WV needs a travel buddy. So Cincy is one team.

From there, it makes little sense to create another island. BYU/Colorado St. would make the time zone stretch from 2 to 3. That just isn't fun to deal with. BYU's sunday thing is also a non-starter for every sport not named football. Colorado St. is a prime candidate though if they don't care about stretching into another time zone.

UCF/USF are great project schools, but the Big 12 can't afford a project school IMO. They need sure things, plus would create just another island.

UCONN makes alot of sense. They have alot going for them. Basketball (both men and women), New state, part of NY market as well. Sure, football is not good, but, UConn wouldn't be added for good football. They would be the Rutgers of the B1G, but with better overall athletics. Good academics too. Geography is a bit of an issue, but not really when you consider that no one drives to WV now. Another hour on a plane is nothing to reject an addition over.

Memphis/Temple might be decent, but they fall behind in alot of categories. But, they are likely in the discussion at least.

East Carolina is not anywhere near the conversation, so lets nip that in the bud. This board's obsession with the Pirates is baffling. They are not moving to any P5, period.

The big 12 could set up divisions to help BYU or Colo State fit better.

Big 12

E: Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Cincy, WVU

W: Ou, Ok state, Ku, K state, Io state, X

X= BYU or Colo State. Big 12 could add both Col state and BYU to the west, than add another school to the east. Houston would condense things but memphis also works.

(02-15-2016 10:11 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  Everyone should go on the assumption that Cincy is the 11th team. They make the MOST sense and are easily available. They help with the WV island thing. A good brand, with decent academics. New state, albeit slightly. Part of the whole realignment thing is that WV needs a travel buddy. So Cincy is one team.

From there, it makes little sense to create another island. BYU/Colorado St. would make the time zone stretch from 2 to 3. That just isn't fun to deal with. BYU's sunday thing is also a non-starter for every sport not named football. Colorado St. is a prime candidate though if they don't care about stretching into another time zone.

UCF/USF are great project schools, but the Big 12 can't afford a project school IMO. They need sure things, plus would create just another island.

UCONN makes alot of sense. They have alot going for them. Basketball (both men and women), New state, part of NY market as well. Sure, football is not good, but, UConn wouldn't be added for good football. They would be the Rutgers of the B1G, but with better overall athletics. Good academics too. Geography is a bit of an issue, but not really when you consider that no one drives to WV now. Another hour on a plane is nothing to reject an addition over.

Memphis/Temple might be decent, but they fall behind in alot of categories. But, they are likely in the discussion at least.

East Carolina is not anywhere near the conversation, so lets nip that in the bud. This board's obsession with the Pirates is baffling. They are not moving to any P5, period.

What's the next power ball winning numbers going to be?

(02-15-2016 10:31 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 10:11 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  Everyone should go on the assumption that Cincy is the 11th team. They make the MOST sense and are easily available. They help with the WV island thing. A good brand, with decent academics. New state, albeit slightly. Part of the whole realignment thing is that WV needs a travel buddy. So Cincy is one team.

From there, it makes little sense to create another island. BYU/Colorado St. would make the time zone stretch from 2 to 3. That just isn't fun to deal with. BYU's sunday thing is also a non-starter for every sport not named football. Colorado St. is a prime candidate though if they don't care about stretching into another time zone.

UCF/USF are great project schools, but the Big 12 can't afford a project school IMO. They need sure things, plus would create just another island.

UCONN makes alot of sense. They have alot going for them. Basketball (both men and women), New state, part of NY market as well. Sure, football is not good, but, UConn wouldn't be added for good football. They would be the Rutgers of the B1G, but with better overall athletics. Good academics too. Geography is a bit of an issue, but not really when you consider that no one drives to WV now. Another hour on a plane is nothing to reject an addition over.

Memphis/Temple might be decent, but they fall behind in alot of categories. But, they are likely in the discussion at least.

East Carolina is not anywhere near the conversation, so lets nip that in the bud. This board's obsession with the Pirates is baffling. They are not moving to any P5, period.

What's the next power ball winning numbers going to be?

Yeah....wonder why he did not tell us who to assume the next Supreme Court Justice will be.

(02-15-2016 10:44 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 10:31 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 10:11 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  Everyone should go on the assumption that Cincy is the 11th team. They make the MOST sense and are easily available. They help with the WV island thing. A good brand, with decent academics. New state, albeit slightly. Part of the whole realignment thing is that WV needs a travel buddy. So Cincy is one team.

From there, it makes little sense to create another island. BYU/Colorado St. would make the time zone stretch from 2 to 3. That just isn't fun to deal with. BYU's sunday thing is also a non-starter for every sport not named football. Colorado St. is a prime candidate though if they don't care about stretching into another time zone.

UCF/USF are great project schools, but the Big 12 can't afford a project school IMO. They need sure things, plus would create just another island.

UCONN makes alot of sense. They have alot going for them. Basketball (both men and women), New state, part of NY market as well. Sure, football is not good, but, UConn wouldn't be added for good football. They would be the Rutgers of the B1G, but with better overall athletics. Good academics too. Geography is a bit of an issue, but not really when you consider that no one drives to WV now. Another hour on a plane is nothing to reject an addition over.

Memphis/Temple might be decent, but they fall behind in alot of categories. But, they are likely in the discussion at least.

East Carolina is not anywhere near the conversation, so lets nip that in the bud. This board's obsession with the Pirates is baffling. They are not moving to any P5, period.

What's the next power ball winning numbers going to be?

Yeah....wonder why he did not tell us who to assume the next Supreme Court Justice will be.

Considering that the longest nomination process for a supreme court justice has been 125 days back in 1916 and the current president has 341 days in office left, I would assume that Obama will be forced to nominate a relatively moderate candidate, so look for someone who is center-left. Someone like Sri Srinivasan who was already approved 97-0 as a circuit court judge. Or someone like Gov. Sandoval.

(Mods please feel to delete this if it is deemed inappropriate or too political)

Also, Cincy does make sense for pick 11. I would look for the same. However I think UConn sets up another island, so someone like Houston may wind up being the better choice after all. I'm for a bigger expansion, grabbing Memphis and BYU at the same time, but that is just me and I could see Memphis over Houston easily especially if they don't want to duplicate the markets or add a third time zone for BYU. I think the no-Sunday thing isn't as a big a deal as some people think.

(02-14-2016 09:37 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:23 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  Totally wrong. The short list is BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, UConn and probably Memphis. That's what all the speculation from Big 12 writers has been. Boren said he couldn't name the schools being considered, but the speculation was pretty much right on the 6 or 7 schools they considered a "fit."

I hear that Memphis has been eliminated from the discussion.

If there is a 7th school in the mix, it would not surprise me if it was Colorado St depending on the seriousness of BYU's candidacy.

And Greg Swaim (who has never given UH the time of day in the Big 12 expansion tweeting wars) now says BYU, Houston and Cincy are the top 3 candidates:

@GSwaim GREG SWAIM SHOW
Looking like #BYU, #UCBearcats, #Houston top three...hearing a lot schools for fourth spot.

M school is in the mix.

There, FTFY and now everyone else can just quote me and save response time

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(02-15-2016 11:40 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 10:44 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 10:31 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 10:11 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  Everyone should go on the assumption that Cincy is the 11th team. They make the MOST sense and are easily available. They help with the WV island thing. A good brand, with decent academics. New state, albeit slightly. Part of the whole realignment thing is that WV needs a travel buddy. So Cincy is one team.

From there, it makes little sense to create another island. BYU/Colorado St. would make the time zone stretch from 2 to 3. That just isn't fun to deal with. BYU's sunday thing is also a non-starter for every sport not named football. Colorado St. is a prime candidate though if they don't care about stretching into another time zone.

UCF/USF are great project schools, but the Big 12 can't afford a project school IMO. They need sure things, plus would create just another island.

UCONN makes alot of sense. They have alot going for them. Basketball (both men and women), New state, part of NY market as well. Sure, football is not good, but, UConn wouldn't be added for good football. They would be the Rutgers of the B1G, but with better overall athletics. Good academics too. Geography is a bit of an issue, but not really when you consider that no one drives to WV now. Another hour on a plane is nothing to reject an addition over.

Memphis/Temple might be decent, but they fall behind in alot of categories. But, they are likely in the discussion at least.

East Carolina is not anywhere near the conversation, so lets nip that in the bud. This board's obsession with the Pirates is baffling. They are not moving to any P5, period.

What's the next power ball winning numbers going to be?

Yeah....wonder why he did not tell us who to assume the next Supreme Court Justice will be.

Considering that the longest nomination process for a supreme court justice has been 125 days back in 1916 and the current president has 341 days in office left, I would assume that Obama will be forced to nominate a relatively moderate candidate, so look for someone who is center-left. Someone like Sri Srinivasan who was already approved 97-0 as a circuit court judge. Or someone like Gov. Sandoval.

(Mods please feel to delete this if it is deemed inappropriate or too political)

Also, Cincy does make sense for pick 11. I would look for the same. However I think UConn sets up another island, so someone like Houston may wind up being the better choice after all. I'm for a bigger expansion, grabbing Memphis and BYU at the same time, but that is just me and I could see Memphis over Houston easily especially if they don't want to duplicate the markets or add a third time zone for BYU. I think the no-Sunday thing isn't as a big a deal as some people think.

I guess you don't recognize sarcasm when you see it.

(02-15-2016 10:11 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  Everyone should go on the assumption that Cincy is the 11th team. They make the MOST sense and are easily available. They help with the WV island thing. A good brand, with decent academics. New state, albeit slightly. Part of the whole realignment thing is that WV needs a travel buddy. So Cincy is one team.

From there, it makes little sense to create another island. BYU/Colorado St. would make the time zone stretch from 2 to 3. That just isn't fun to deal with. BYU's sunday thing is also a non-starter for every sport not named football. Colorado St. is a prime candidate though if they don't care about stretching into another time zone.

UCF/USF are great project schools, but the Big 12 can't afford a project school IMO. They need sure things, plus would create just another island.

UCONN makes alot of sense. They have alot going for them. Basketball (both men and women), New state, part of NY market as well. Sure, football is not good, but, UConn wouldn't be added for good football. They would be the Rutgers of the B1G, but with better overall athletics. Good academics too. Geography is a bit of an issue, but not really when you consider that no one drives to WV now. Another hour on a plane is nothing to reject an addition over.

Memphis/Temple might be decent, but they fall behind in alot of categories. But, they are likely in the discussion at least.

East Carolina is not anywhere near the conversation, so lets nip that in the bud. This board's obsession with the Pirates is baffling. They are not moving to any P5, period.

Seriously, the FL schools have been on island for years now and on a shoe string budget. It doesn't phase either school and they wouldn't put themselves into contention if they thought it'd be such a problem. IDK why people keep spouting the FL island thing, it's not like flying to Alaska it's the same flight to WVU (avg 2 hours) except the airport is larger and easier to travel to FL.

(02-15-2016 02:58 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Seriously, the FL schools have been on island for years now and on a shoe string budget.

"Island" is also a factor for everyone else's travel. Makes it tough to set up travel partners, Thursday-Saturday 2-game trips, etc.

On the other hand, everybody likes recruiting Florida.