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Given that North Texas took LaTech to OT, I think the Owls can beat LaTech - especially if Egor has a hot night shooting 3s. But the real difference makers are Cashaw, Letcher-Ellis, Drone, and Mency - when the Owls get 10 points or more from two of them, they usually win. With rare exceptions, it can't be just the Marcus and Egor show.
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(02-26-2016 12:12 PM)johncatworth Wrote:  Given that North Texas took LaTech to OT, I think the Owls can beat LaTech - especially if Egor has a hot night shooting 3s. But the real difference makers are Cashaw, Letcher-Ellis, Drone, and Mency - when the Owls get 10 points or more from two of them, they usually win. With rare exceptions, it can't be just the Marcus and Egor show.

I saw on the main C-USA board that Louisiana Tech was playing without Erik McCree due to injury. He is the leading rebounder and second leading scorer. The Bulldog fans were not sure if he will be available for the Saturday game against Rice.

But I agree that with or without McCree, it is possible to see this Rice team taking down Louisiana Tech on a night where everything is going right.
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(02-26-2016 12:12 PM)johncatworth Wrote:  Given that North Texas took LaTech to OT, I think the Owls can beat LaTech - especially if Egor has a hot night shooting 3s. But the real difference makers are Cashaw, Letcher-Ellis, Drone, and Mency - when the Owls get 10 points or more from two of them, they usually win. With rare exceptions, it can't be just the Marcus and Egor show.

I would love to see Cashaw shooting 3's more aggressively. He's at 41.2% for the season, and that is after being ice cold the first ~5 games of the year.
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(02-26-2016 12:55 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(02-26-2016 12:12 PM)johncatworth Wrote:  Given that North Texas took LaTech to OT, I think the Owls can beat LaTech - especially if Egor has a hot night shooting 3s. But the real difference makers are Cashaw, Letcher-Ellis, Drone, and Mency - when the Owls get 10 points or more from two of them, they usually win. With rare exceptions, it can't be just the Marcus and Egor show.

I would love to see Cashaw shooting 3's more aggressively. He's at 41.2% for the season, and that is after being ice cold the first ~5 games of the year.

I agree but he seems to be more comfortable for now with a shot fake/step in to a 15 foot jumper. His mid range percentage this year has to be really high.

Looking to next year I expect to have quite the shooting lineup. Ako Adams doesn't seem like a shooter but he can take the role Max has and share it with Chad Lott. We know Evans can shoot. Egor can shoot. Marcus Jackson led the conference in 3s last year. Letcher-Ellis and Harrison have pretty solid strokes for guys that are 6'9''. And drone seems to be fit enough that most of his shots are dunks now that he can get off the ground better.

So exciting. 03-cloud9
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Love having someone like Cashaw who takes that 12-15 foot jump shot. In the past it has been mostly a 3 or a layup as our scoring shots. Evans too in the last few games been looking and making that shot.
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This team shows much more offensive versatility than we have seen in a long time.



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Love having someone like Cashaw who takes that 12-15 foot jump shot. In the past it has been mostly a 3 or a layup as our scoring shots. Evans too in the last few games been looking and making that shot.
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RE: Men's Basketball conference standings
Heading into the last week of conference play, we're now tied with FIU for 8th place and a 7-9 conference record (we're ahead of them if it's a 2-team tie-breaker since we beat them head to head). Charlotte is one game ahead of us with an 8-8 record and of course, that's who we play on Thursday. Western Kentucky (and UNT) is one game behind us at 6-10 but we also beat them in our one meeting.

Rice and UNT host Charlotte and Old Dominion this week. WKU has an easier schedule, hosting USM and Louisiana Tech.

UAB has clinched the #1 seed. La Tech, MTSU, Marshall and ODU are fighting it out for spots 2-5, and UTEP isn't far behind them at #6. FAU and UTSA will likely be in the 12 vs 13 game.
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(02-28-2016 07:47 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Heading into the last week of conference play, we're now tied with FIU for 8th place and a 7-9 conference record (we're ahead of them if it's a 2-team tie-breaker since we beat them head to head). Charlotte is one game ahead of us with an 8-8 record and of course, that's who we play on Thursday. Western Kentucky (and UNT) is one game behind us at 6-10 but we also beat them in our one meeting.

Rice and UNT host Charlotte and Old Dominion this week. WKU has an easier schedule, hosting USM and Louisiana Tech.

UAB has clinched the #1 seed. La Tech, MTSU, Marshall and ODU are fighting it out for spots 2-5, and UTEP isn't far behind them at #6. FAU and UTSA will likely be in the 12 vs 13 game.

I don't think we can get any tiebreaker with Charlotte (or UTEP) at 9-9, so to move up we'll need to win out and root for UNT hosting Charlotte.
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Great to see the recent wins. I have one honest question just for reference sake. How many wins would this team have won in the Old CUSA?

I'm happy to hear about the uptick in effort. We all like Rhoades. I'm also glad we have at least one player who seems to have real deal caliber talent. Also I know we had injuries. All that considered, Im curious if our regular fans believe this team would have won this many games against a few years ago CUSA or if it's generally a push.

Just wondering. Hoping for a good closing week and a couple tourney wins.
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(02-21-2016 11:00 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  We absolutely need to get UH back on the schedule. They're having a solid year too and will be top 50 to top 100 RPI next year for sure.

Chronicle daily article on UH sports today said their men's hoops program has no shot at an NCAA at large (despite a 22+ win season) because of a dreadful out of conference strength of schedule. It seems an especially opportune moment for JK to pick up the phone and schedule some basketball games with the Coogs.
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(03-03-2016 10:01 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(02-21-2016 11:00 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  We absolutely need to get UH back on the schedule. They're having a solid year too and will be top 50 to top 100 RPI next year for sure.

Chronicle daily article on UH sports today said their men's hoops program has no shot at an NCAA at large (despite a 22+ win season) because of a dreadful out of conference strength of schedule. It seems an especially opportune moment for JK to pick up the phone and schedule some basketball games with the Coogs.

Sitting down at 249 in RPI, I am not sure how much we help.
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(03-03-2016 10:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 10:01 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(02-21-2016 11:00 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  We absolutely need to get UH back on the schedule. They're having a solid year too and will be top 50 to top 100 RPI next year for sure.

Chronicle daily article on UH sports today said their men's hoops program has no shot at an NCAA at large (despite a 22+ win season) because of a dreadful out of conference strength of schedule. It seems an especially opportune moment for JK to pick up the phone and schedule some basketball games with the Coogs.

Sitting down at 249 in RPI, I am not sure how much we help.

As any Rice UH games will be payed in future seasons, Rice's RPI this year is irrelevant. Does anyone reasonably not expect a much better RPI for the Owls over the next several years?
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(03-03-2016 10:36 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 10:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 10:01 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(02-21-2016 11:00 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  We absolutely need to get UH back on the schedule. They're having a solid year too and will be top 50 to top 100 RPI next year for sure.

Chronicle daily article on UH sports today said their men's hoops program has no shot at an NCAA at large (despite a 22+ win season) because of a dreadful out of conference strength of schedule. It seems an especially opportune moment for JK to pick up the phone and schedule some basketball games with the Coogs.

Sitting down at 249 in RPI, I am not sure how much we help.

As any Rice UH games will be payed in future seasons, Rice's RPI this year is irrelevant. Does anyone reasonably not expect a much better RPI for the Owls over the next several years?

+1

Anyone watching Rice can see better days are coming if we hold onto Rhoades and his recruits.
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(03-03-2016 10:46 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 10:36 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 10:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 10:01 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(02-21-2016 11:00 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  We absolutely need to get UH back on the schedule. They're having a solid year too and will be top 50 to top 100 RPI next year for sure.

Chronicle daily article on UH sports today said their men's hoops program has no shot at an NCAA at large (despite a 22+ win season) because of a dreadful out of conference strength of schedule. It seems an especially opportune moment for JK to pick up the phone and schedule some basketball games with the Coogs.

Sitting down at 249 in RPI, I am not sure how much we help.

As any Rice UH games will be payed in future seasons, Rice's RPI this year is irrelevant. Does anyone reasonably not expect a much better RPI for the Owls over the next several years?

+1

Anyone watching Rice can see better days are coming if we hold onto Rhoades and his recruits.

I agree! But I also wrote the same thing last year...
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Nolan has UH's complete scheduled ranked at 132 and Rice's at 189.
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(03-03-2016 10:46 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 10:36 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 10:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 10:01 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(02-21-2016 11:00 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  We absolutely need to get UH back on the schedule. They're having a solid year too and will be top 50 to top 100 RPI next year for sure.

Chronicle daily article on UH sports today said their men's hoops program has no shot at an NCAA at large (despite a 22+ win season) because of a dreadful out of conference strength of schedule. It seems an especially opportune moment for JK to pick up the phone and schedule some basketball games with the Coogs.

Sitting down at 249 in RPI, I am not sure how much we help.

As any Rice UH games will be payed in future seasons, Rice's RPI this year is irrelevant. Does anyone reasonably not expect a much better RPI for the Owls over the next several years?

+1

Anyone watching Rice can see better days are coming if we hold onto Rhoades and his recruits.

I just don't think we are a compelling argument yet.

I've been watching Rice these past two years, but my point still stands. Why would a school looking to schedule more RPI boosting games schedule games with a school who has yet to show that it can boost its RPI?

I believe we will be better next year, but that isn't a very compelling argument for today, since there are no guarantees. We thought we were going to be better this year, too. The more compelling argument is fan interest for an OOC game against a non-P5 member.
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Today is a big game for seeding reasons vs. Charlotte. Charlotte is 8-8 (12-17) and we're 7-9 (12-17). We lost @ Charlotte recently after that huge 2nd half collapse. Hopefully the team remembers that and plays hard for the whole game at home. FIU 7-9 (13-16) plays UAB, which they'll likely lose. Behind us, UNT has a tough game vs. ODU and WKU has a winnable game vs. Southern Miss. If we want to catch Charlotte for 7th place and also get to .500 in conference, we have to win this game.
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(03-03-2016 01:28 PM)07owl Wrote:  Today is a big game for seeding reasons vs. Charlotte. Charlotte is 8-8 (12-17) and we're 7-9 (12-17). We lost @ Charlotte recently after that huge 2nd half collapse. Hopefully the team remembers that and plays hard for the whole game at home. FIU 7-9 (13-16) plays UAB, which they'll likely lose. Behind us, UNT has a tough game vs. ODU and WKU has a winnable game vs. Southern Miss. If we want to catch Charlotte for 7th place and also get to .500 in conference, we have to win this game.

The conference standings going into tonight's games:

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UAB          14-2    
La. Tech     11-5    
Middle Tenn. 11-5    
Marshall     11-5    
Old Dominion 10-6    
UTEP          9-8    
Charlotte     8-8    
FIU           7-9    
Rice          7-9    
WKU           6-10    
North Texas   6-10    
Southern Miss.5-11    
Fla. Atlantic 5-11    
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Reminder for why seeding matters for the tournament. The winner of the 8/9 game (currently Rice/FIU, Rice holds the tie-breaker because of the head-to-head win over FIU) gets #1 UAB in the 2nd round, with the tournament @UAB. The winner of the 7/10 game (currently Charlotte/WKU, WKU get the tie-breaker over N. Texas) gets the #2 seed and is on the opposite side of the bracket from UAB. The ratings systems unanimously place UAB as the #1 team in CUSA. After that, it just depends on what system you trust most. Safe to say there is not a unanimous #2 team in CUSA, plus they will not have home court advantage.

Rice can't finish higher than #7, because (current #6) UTEP wins the tie-breaker over Rice. If Rice loses to Charlotte, then Rice can't finish higher than #8 (Charlotte wins the tie-breaker). If Rice beats Charlotte, but Rice and Charlotte end up tied after Saturday's games, then I think Charlotte is the #7 seed based on them having the better conference win (over Marshall, compared to Rice's win over ODU, and it would be hard for ODU to pass Marshall in the standings since Marshall beat ODU twice). So the only path to the #7 seed is for Rice to win both games and Charlotte to lose both games (they are @ N. Texas on saturday).

Rice cannot finish lower than #11 because Rice wins the tie-breaker over both S. Miss and FAU.

If Rice either wins or loses both remaining games, the team likely ends up on the opposite side of the bracket from UAB. If Rice splits the remaining games, then we hope to win game 1 and get a little lucky against UAB at home in round 2.

RPI:
#74 - UAB
#98 - MTSU
#117 - LaTech
#126 - Marshall
#167 - ODU

KenPom:
#113 - UAB
#123 - Marshall
#133 - ODU
#148 - MTSU
#150 - LaTech

Sagarin:
#103 - UAB
#120 - ODU
#137 - MTSU
#138 - Marshall
#139 - LaTech
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(03-03-2016 05:23 PM)mrbig Wrote:  Reminder for why seeding matters for the tournament. The winner of the 8/9 game (currently Rice/FIU, Rice holds the tie-breaker because of the head-to-head win over FIU) gets #1 UAB in the 2nd round, with the tournament @UAB. The winner of the 7/10 game (currently Charlotte/WKU, WKU get the tie-breaker over N. Texas) gets the #2 seed and is on the opposite side of the bracket from UAB. The ratings systems unanimously place UAB as the #1 team in CUSA. After that, it just depends on what system you trust most. Safe to say there is not a unanimous #2 team in CUSA, plus they will not have home court advantage.

Rice can't finish higher than #7, because (current #6) UTEP wins the tie-breaker over Rice. If Rice loses to Charlotte, then Rice can't finish higher than #8 (Charlotte wins the tie-breaker). If Rice beats Charlotte, but Rice and Charlotte end up tied after Saturday's games, then I think Charlotte is the #7 seed based on them having the better conference win (over Marshall, compared to Rice's win over ODU, and it would be hard for ODU to pass Marshall in the standings since Marshall beat ODU twice). So the only path to the #7 seed is for Rice to win both games and Charlotte to lose both games (they are @ N. Texas on saturday).

Rice cannot finish lower than #11 because Rice wins the tie-breaker over both S. Miss and FAU.

If Rice either wins or loses both remaining games, the team likely ends up on the opposite side of the bracket from UAB. If Rice splits the remaining games, then we hope to win game 1 and get a little lucky against UAB at home in round 2.

FWIW:

1) Charlotte is 2-5 on the road in conference games.

Road Wins: USM, FIU
Road Losses: ODU, LT (OT), FAU, Marshall, WKu

2) North Texas lost at Charlotte nearly as badly as we did: 103 - 79 vs our 102 - 72.

Let's hope that both Texas teams get sweet revenge this week.
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