(02-17-2016 05:46 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 05:31 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 09:44 AM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 07:33 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  I cannot for the life of me understand why Coach did not hire one or more seasoned X's and O's coaches, let them take the reigns in the area, learn from them, and by now, we would be a successful program and he would be a really good coach.

I would have to conclude that regardless of his other strengths, his Achilles' heal is his hiring of coaches, something Fuente and Norvell seem to be adept at.

He had one his first year in Willis Wilson....

Who is 19-6 right now at Texas A&M CC, and 2nd in his conference to Brad Underwood and SFA.

But, imo, Josh's ego wouldn't let another coach get in the way of him getting full credit.

And maybe after 20 years coaching, he might get that first NCAA or NIT bid.

Surely we're not to the point where we think Willis is a good HC.

Perhaps you should read before you write.

He took Rice to the NIT in 2004 and 2005.

You're right. Totally missed those two first round losses in the NIT.

Edit: So maybe this year after 20 years coaching, he can get that first NCAA bid, or win his first game in the NIT.

(02-18-2016 02:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 05:46 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 05:31 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 09:44 AM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 07:33 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  I cannot for the life of me understand why Coach did not hire one or more seasoned X's and O's coaches, let them take the reigns in the area, learn from them, and by now, we would be a successful program and he would be a really good coach.

I would have to conclude that regardless of his other strengths, his Achilles' heal is his hiring of coaches, something Fuente and Norvell seem to be adept at.

He had one his first year in Willis Wilson....

Who is 19-6 right now at Texas A&M CC, and 2nd in his conference to Brad Underwood and SFA.

But, imo, Josh's ego wouldn't let another coach get in the way of him getting full credit.

And maybe after 20 years coaching, he might get that first NCAA or NIT bid.

Surely we're not to the point where we think Willis is a good HC.

Perhaps you should read before you write.

He took Rice to the NIT in 2004 and 2005.

You're right. Totally missed those two first round losses in the NIT.

Edit: So maybe this year after 20 years coaching, he can get that first NCAA bid, or win his first game in the NIT.

Yeah because Rice and Texas AM Corpus Christi are such easy programs to get to the tournament.

I'll tell you this, you give Wilson and Pastner teams with equal talent and Wilson would beat Opie's team like a drum.

(02-18-2016 06:54 PM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 02:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 05:46 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 05:31 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 09:44 AM)Bluebeard Wrote:  He had one his first year in Willis Wilson....

Who is 19-6 right now at Texas A&M CC, and 2nd in his conference to Brad Underwood and SFA.

But, imo, Josh's ego wouldn't let another coach get in the way of him getting full credit.

And maybe after 20 years coaching, he might get that first NCAA or NIT bid.

Surely we're not to the point where we think Willis is a good HC.

Perhaps you should read before you write.

He took Rice to the NIT in 2004 and 2005.

You're right. Totally missed those two first round losses in the NIT.

Edit: So maybe this year after 20 years coaching, he can get that first NCAA bid, or win his first game in the NIT.

Yeah because Rice and Texas AM Corpus Christi are such easy programs to get to the tournament.

I'll tell you this, you give Wilson and Pastner teams with equal talent and Wilson would beat Opie's team like a drum.

Sad but probably true.

And Rice hasn't had a coach leave with a winning record since 1959.

There have been 10 coaches since. Who has the best winning % since 1959? Willis Wilson.

Also haven't been to the NCAA Tourney since 1970.

Been to the NIT 4 times since 1943.... 2 of those were under Wilson.

Rice is one of the worst programs in D-1 basketball.....and one of the hardest jobs to win at.

(02-18-2016 07:01 PM)Bluebeard Wrote:  And Rice hasn't had a coach leave with a winning record since 1959.

There have been 10 coaches since. Who has the best winning % since 1959? Willis Wilson.

Also haven't been to the NCAA Tourney since 1970.

Been to the NIT 4 times since 1943.... 2 of those were under Wilson.

Rice is one of the worst programs in D-1 basketball.....and one of the hardest jobs to win at.

They don't give their coaches much to work with.

(02-18-2016 07:17 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 07:01 PM)Bluebeard Wrote:  And Rice hasn't had a coach leave with a winning record since 1959.

There have been 10 coaches since. Who has the best winning % since 1959? Willis Wilson.

Also haven't been to the NCAA Tourney since 1970.

Been to the NIT 4 times since 1943.... 2 of those were under Wilson.

Rice is one of the worst programs in D-1 basketball.....and one of the hardest jobs to win at.

They don't give their coaches much to work with.

Truth.

And Ben Braun who had a good run with Cal, and took Eastern Michigan to the tourney 3 times including a Sweet 16, couldn't even do as well as Wilson did at Rice.

But Tiger87 thinks Wilson is a bad coach just because his record isn't great.

Wilson is a solid floor coach and Josh should have let him handle most of the coaching and stayed out of the way. He would've been better off for it.

That ego doe.

(02-18-2016 06:54 PM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 02:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 05:46 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 05:31 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 09:44 AM)Bluebeard Wrote:  He had one his first year in Willis Wilson....

Who is 19-6 right now at Texas A&M CC, and 2nd in his conference to Brad Underwood and SFA.

But, imo, Josh's ego wouldn't let another coach get in the way of him getting full credit.

And maybe after 20 years coaching, he might get that first NCAA or NIT bid.

Surely we're not to the point where we think Willis is a good HC.

Perhaps you should read before you write.

He took Rice to the NIT in 2004 and 2005.

You're right. Totally missed those two first round losses in the NIT.

Edit: So maybe this year after 20 years coaching, he can get that first NCAA bid, or win his first game in the NIT.

Yeah because Rice and Texas AM Corpus Christi are such easy programs to get to the tournament.

I'll tell you this, you give Wilson and Pastner teams with equal talent and Wilson would beat Opie's team like a drum.

You're the only one comparing Wilson to Pastner. I'm comparing Wilson to the benchmark for any 20-year coach - actually making the NCAA tournament. You do it for 20 years, if you're good, you should at least make the tournament - I don't care where you are. At the very least, win a game in the NIT.

(02-19-2016 08:46 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 06:54 PM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 02:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 05:46 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 05:31 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  And maybe after 20 years coaching, he might get that first NCAA or NIT bid.

Surely we're not to the point where we think Willis is a good HC.

Perhaps you should read before you write.

He took Rice to the NIT in 2004 and 2005.

You're right. Totally missed those two first round losses in the NIT.

Edit: So maybe this year after 20 years coaching, he can get that first NCAA bid, or win his first game in the NIT.

Yeah because Rice and Texas AM Corpus Christi are such easy programs to get to the tournament.

I'll tell you this, you give Wilson and Pastner teams with equal talent and Wilson would beat Opie's team like a drum.

You're the only one comparing Wilson to Pastner. I'm comparing Wilson to the benchmark for any 20-year coach - actually making the NCAA tournament. You do it for 20 years, if you're good, you should at least make the tournament - I don't care where you are. At the very least, win a game in the NIT.

How do you think Josh's record would compare if he were at Rice? He can't even make the NIT here with 2 McD's AA's on the squad.

(02-19-2016 03:00 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 08:46 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 06:54 PM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 02:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 05:46 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Perhaps you should read before you write.

He took Rice to the NIT in 2004 and 2005.

You're right. Totally missed those two first round losses in the NIT.

Edit: So maybe this year after 20 years coaching, he can get that first NCAA bid, or win his first game in the NIT.

Yeah because Rice and Texas AM Corpus Christi are such easy programs to get to the tournament.

I'll tell you this, you give Wilson and Pastner teams with equal talent and Wilson would beat Opie's team like a drum.

You're the only one comparing Wilson to Pastner. I'm comparing Wilson to the benchmark for any 20-year coach - actually making the NCAA tournament. You do it for 20 years, if you're good, you should at least make the tournament - I don't care where you are. At the very least, win a game in the NIT.

How do you think Josh's record would compare if he were at Rice? He can't even make the NIT here with 2 McD's AA's on the squad.

We're probably going to get to find out because that's about the level HC job he'll land.

(02-19-2016 03:00 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 08:46 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 06:54 PM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 02:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 05:46 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Perhaps you should read before you write.

He took Rice to the NIT in 2004 and 2005.

You're right. Totally missed those two first round losses in the NIT.

Edit: So maybe this year after 20 years coaching, he can get that first NCAA bid, or win his first game in the NIT.

Yeah because Rice and Texas AM Corpus Christi are such easy programs to get to the tournament.

I'll tell you this, you give Wilson and Pastner teams with equal talent and Wilson would beat Opie's team like a drum.

You're the only one comparing Wilson to Pastner. I'm comparing Wilson to the benchmark for any 20-year coach - actually making the NCAA tournament. You do it for 20 years, if you're good, you should at least make the tournament - I don't care where you are. At the very least, win a game in the NIT.

How do you think Josh's record would compare if he were at Rice? He can't even make the NIT here with 2 McD's AA's on the squad.

Missing the point. Martin was the only one comparing Willis to Josh. I'm certainly not saying one is better than the other. All I was refuting was the soft notion that Willis is a good coach.

Point of the matter is they have such great kids McDonald's all-americans they should be winning.
I could see if the recruits and talent level wasn't there but it is there there's no excuse it's on the coach he needs to be terminated

(02-20-2016 03:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 03:00 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 08:46 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 06:54 PM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 02:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  You're right. Totally missed those two first round losses in the NIT.

Edit: So maybe this year after 20 years coaching, he can get that first NCAA bid, or win his first game in the NIT.

Yeah because Rice and Texas AM Corpus Christi are such easy programs to get to the tournament.

I'll tell you this, you give Wilson and Pastner teams with equal talent and Wilson would beat Opie's team like a drum.

You're the only one comparing Wilson to Pastner. I'm comparing Wilson to the benchmark for any 20-year coach - actually making the NCAA tournament. You do it for 20 years, if you're good, you should at least make the tournament - I don't care where you are. At the very least, win a game in the NIT.

How do you think Josh's record would compare if he were at Rice? He can't even make the NIT here with 2 McD's AA's on the squad.

Missing the point. Martin was the only one comparing Willis to Josh. I'm certainly not saying one is better than the other. All I was refuting was the soft notion that Willis is a good coach.

So you are saying Wilson isn't a good coach because he didn't win a bunch of games at Rice and Texas AM corpus cristi. Interesting.
I'm glad you're not on the committee to select a new coach here.

(02-20-2016 03:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 03:00 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 08:46 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 06:54 PM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 02:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  You're right. Totally missed those two first round losses in the NIT.

Edit: So maybe this year after 20 years coaching, he can get that first NCAA bid, or win his first game in the NIT.

Yeah because Rice and Texas AM Corpus Christi are such easy programs to get to the tournament.

I'll tell you this, you give Wilson and Pastner teams with equal talent and Wilson would beat Opie's team like a drum.

You're the only one comparing Wilson to Pastner. I'm comparing Wilson to the benchmark for any 20-year coach - actually making the NCAA tournament. You do it for 20 years, if you're good, you should at least make the tournament - I don't care where you are. At the very least, win a game in the NIT.

How do you think Josh's record would compare if he were at Rice? He can't even make the NIT here with 2 McD's AA's on the squad.

Missing the point. Martin was the only one comparing Willis to Josh. I'm certainly not saying one is better than the other. All I was refuting was the soft notion that Willis is a good coach.

No the point is Wilson was on Pastner's staff as an ASSISTANT. And yes Wilson is a MUCH better coach and a much more experienced coach than OPIE.

Pastner should have let Wilson handle the coaching instead of letting his ego get in the way. If OPIE had done that, he may be a better coach now by learning from him and he may not be in this mess.

I think I'm gonna be sick

(02-20-2016 05:35 PM)Bluebeard Wrote:  

(02-20-2016 03:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 03:00 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 08:46 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 06:54 PM)Bluebeard Wrote:  Yeah because Rice and Texas AM Corpus Christi are such easy programs to get to the tournament.

I'll tell you this, you give Wilson and Pastner teams with equal talent and Wilson would beat Opie's team like a drum.

You're the only one comparing Wilson to Pastner. I'm comparing Wilson to the benchmark for any 20-year coach - actually making the NCAA tournament. You do it for 20 years, if you're good, you should at least make the tournament - I don't care where you are. At the very least, win a game in the NIT.

How do you think Josh's record would compare if he were at Rice? He can't even make the NIT here with 2 McD's AA's on the squad.

Missing the point. Martin was the only one comparing Willis to Josh. I'm certainly not saying one is better than the other. All I was refuting was the soft notion that Willis is a good coach.

No the point is Wilson was on Pastner's staff as an ASSISTANT. And yes Wilson is a MUCH better coach and a much more experienced coach than OPIE.

Pastner should have let Wilson handle the coaching instead of letting his ego get in the way. If OPIE had done that, he may be a better coach now by learning from him and he may not be in this mess.

meh

You could have a point about Pastner's ego and giving more responsibility to Willis. But it's lost with the incessant "Opie-ness"

(02-20-2016 04:26 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-20-2016 03:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 03:00 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 08:46 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 06:54 PM)Bluebeard Wrote:  Yeah because Rice and Texas AM Corpus Christi are such easy programs to get to the tournament.

I'll tell you this, you give Wilson and Pastner teams with equal talent and Wilson would beat Opie's team like a drum.

You're the only one comparing Wilson to Pastner. I'm comparing Wilson to the benchmark for any 20-year coach - actually making the NCAA tournament. You do it for 20 years, if you're good, you should at least make the tournament - I don't care where you are. At the very least, win a game in the NIT.

How do you think Josh's record would compare if he were at Rice? He can't even make the NIT here with 2 McD's AA's on the squad.

Missing the point. Martin was the only one comparing Willis to Josh. I'm certainly not saying one is better than the other. All I was refuting was the soft notion that Willis is a good coach.

So you are saying Wilson isn't a good coach because he didn't win a bunch of games at Rice and Texas AM corpus cristi. Interesting.
I'm glad you're not on the committee to select a new coach here.

I'm saying I've seen Willis coach many games. And over 20 years, he's never made the NCAA. And he's never won a single NIT game. Ever. THAT'S what I'm basing the opinion upon that Willis is not a good coach.

And if we have a committee that nominates a coach that has coached for 20 years with ZERO post-season success, I would hope that many of you would express your outrage.