(02-14-2016 07:51 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 07:36 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:15 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:01 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  I don't think he's worried about Big 12 expansion personally.

I'd rather he goes hard after Wichita or an Air Force/CSU combo, but I don't think he sees the Big 12 as a threat.

The sportswriters will write what generates clicks, and he knows that.

Yeah, I suppose they brought up the subject at the recent AAC meeting, just for grins.

Why not... The MWC brought up Rice and UTEP for grins. You always have to cover scenarios.

The fact of the matter is, this "haircut" that the Big 12 was talking about runs completely contrary to what we have heard about the networks adjusting to pay 11 and 12 the same slice as 1-10.

There is a lot of information in the public sphere that is dubious at best.

I think Aresco is acting on information that he knows to be true. He's a connected guy and is going by what his contacts are telling him. I really don't think he pays the dirt writers any mind.

Actually Boren publicly stated that. The problem is it only covers football tv contract revenue and not bowl money etc

Yep, as usual Homer has no clue, it does not cover playoff money, bowl money, tourney money, sugar bowl tie in money etc.

UConn and Cincinnati go to the tournament more often than not, so adding them would add more tournament credit money -- making that a non-issue. Having a championship game and a network will add a ton of money -- yes, I realize the Big 12 could technically do both now, but a championship game with a round-robin schedule is silly and a network is more profitable with more markets. Also, I am certain the new members would be on a 5-year or so graduated payout, so if anything, the current Big 12 schools would stand to make even more money for at least a couple years.

I personally don't believe the current Big 12 schools would lose any money at all short term by adding 2 schools from the AAC. The question is does it make sense long term? That's what the conference needs to decide.

(02-14-2016 07:51 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 07:36 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:15 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:01 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  I don't think he's worried about Big 12 expansion personally.

I'd rather he goes hard after Wichita or an Air Force/CSU combo, but I don't think he sees the Big 12 as a threat.

The sportswriters will write what generates clicks, and he knows that.

Yeah, I suppose they brought up the subject at the recent AAC meeting, just for grins.

Why not... The MWC brought up Rice and UTEP for grins. You always have to cover scenarios.

The fact of the matter is, this "haircut" that the Big 12 was talking about runs completely contrary to what we have heard about the networks adjusting to pay 11 and 12 the same slice as 1-10.

There is a lot of information in the public sphere that is dubious at best.

I think Aresco is acting on information that he knows to be true. He's a connected guy and is going by what his contacts are telling him. I really don't think he pays the dirt writers any mind.

Actually Boren publicly stated that. The problem is it only covers football tv contract revenue and not bowl money etc

Yep, as usual Homer has no clue, it does not cover playoff money, bowl money, tourney money, sugar bowl tie in money etc.

Yes, I realize that's what Boren said. The quotes this time were from the K-State rep. It sounded like it would be a bigger cut. It sounded like they were going to allocate less TV revenue.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But that's not the impression I got.
Not that it matters.
The Big 12 is more likely to break up than add teams. That's why this doesn't faze Aresco.
If Texas ever gives up the LHN, it will sooner go out East or out West, than it will align with Cincinnati. Isn't that a *****, rtaylor?

who will the AAC add after UC and UCONN bolt to the B12?

One thing the emails seem to confirm, the overall support for B12 expansion appears fairly tepid.

(02-14-2016 08:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  who will the AAC add after UC and UCONN bolt to the B12?

UC and UCONN

(02-14-2016 08:06 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 07:51 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 07:36 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:15 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Yeah, I suppose they brought up the subject at the recent AAC meeting, just for grins.

Why not... The MWC brought up Rice and UTEP for grins. You always have to cover scenarios.

The fact of the matter is, this "haircut" that the Big 12 was talking about runs completely contrary to what we have heard about the networks adjusting to pay 11 and 12 the same slice as 1-10.

There is a lot of information in the public sphere that is dubious at best.

I think Aresco is acting on information that he knows to be true. He's a connected guy and is going by what his contacts are telling him. I really don't think he pays the dirt writers any mind.

Actually Boren publicly stated that. The problem is it only covers football tv contract revenue and not bowl money etc

Yep, as usual Homer has no clue, it does not cover playoff money, bowl money, tourney money, sugar bowl tie in money etc.

Yes, I realize that's what Boren said. The quotes this time were from the K-State rep. It sounded like it would be a bigger cut. It sounded like they were going to allocate less TV revenue.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But that's not the impression I got.
Not that it matters.
The Big 12 is more likely to break up than add teams. That's why this doesn't faze Aresco.
If Texas ever gives up the LHN, it will sooner go out East or out West, than it will align with Cincinnati. Isn't that a *****, rtaylor?

It doesn't faze Aresco, because he cannot do anything about it. He has to be in reaction mode. It is not like in the event of an offer, he will be able to trump the offer. He can make contingency plans and it appears that this was on his last agenda.

(02-14-2016 08:59 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 08:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  who will the AAC add after UC and UCONN bolt to the B12?

UC and UCONN

Hahahaha. Big 12 adds UC and UCONN. Same day Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and a few others leave. Big 12 dissolves. AAC adds UC and UCONN. Cheers!

(02-14-2016 09:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 08:59 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 08:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  who will the AAC add after UC and UCONN bolt to the B12?

UC and UCONN

Hahahaha. Big 12 adds UC and UCONN. Same day Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and a few others leave. Big 12 dissolves. AAC adds UC and UCONN. Cheers!

2 exit fees and 2 entry fees---Windfall profits!!!

(02-14-2016 09:15 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 08:06 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 07:51 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 07:36 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:15 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Why not... The MWC brought up Rice and UTEP for grins. You always have to cover scenarios.

The fact of the matter is, this "haircut" that the Big 12 was talking about runs completely contrary to what we have heard about the networks adjusting to pay 11 and 12 the same slice as 1-10.

There is a lot of information in the public sphere that is dubious at best.

I think Aresco is acting on information that he knows to be true. He's a connected guy and is going by what his contacts are telling him. I really don't think he pays the dirt writers any mind.

Actually Boren publicly stated that. The problem is it only covers football tv contract revenue and not bowl money etc

Yep, as usual Homer has no clue, it does not cover playoff money, bowl money, tourney money, sugar bowl tie in money etc.

Yes, I realize that's what Boren said. The quotes this time were from the K-State rep. It sounded like it would be a bigger cut. It sounded like they were going to allocate less TV revenue.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But that's not the impression I got.
Not that it matters.
The Big 12 is more likely to break up than add teams. That's why this doesn't faze Aresco.
If Texas ever gives up the LHN, it will sooner go out East or out West, than it will align with Cincinnati. Isn't that a *****, rtaylor?

It doesn't faze Aresco, because he cannot do anything about it. He has to be in reaction mode. It is not like in the event of an offer, he will be able to trump the offer. He can make contingency plans and it appears that this was on his last agenda.

His contingency discussion may have been as simple as saying we don't need to add any teams.
The deregulation vote really changed the dynamics of realignment, both from perceived threats and from a reactionary standpoint.
The Big 12 can have a Championship game with 10 teams, and the AAC can as well. That simple fact probably was focused on in the contingency plan discussion.
The fact of the matter is, losing UC or UConn would have little effect on the AAC as a football conference; just as losing UH wouldn't have much effect on the basketball product.
It's arguable that dividing the proceeds among 10 schools would quell a lot of the blow just by itself.
That being said, Boren's posturing should be just as concerning to proponents of realignment. OU is looking for a way out and the only thing keeping Texas around is the LHN, which just so happens to be a big part of the reason OU is not satisfied. Once something gives, I just don't see that tent having any poles to hold it up.
That's what Aresco has to react to. The Hindenburg.

(02-14-2016 09:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 08:59 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 08:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  who will the AAC add after UC and UCONN bolt to the B12?

UC and UCONN

Hahahaha. Big 12 adds UC and UCONN. Same day Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and a few others leave. Big 12 dissolves. AAC adds UC and UCONN. Cheers!

Yep, it has to suck at ECU knowing you have reached your ceiling, are mediocre to terrible in the revenue sports in your new conference, and have no earthly hope of ever moving up. Cheers!

(02-13-2016 10:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  President Santa Ono has led a quiet and diligent effort to position the University of Cincinnati to join the Big 12 Conference, one that’s won high praise from a powerful official who is key to deciding whether the league will expand.

The university released emails, travel records and other documents to The Enquirer last week that give insight into the UC’s attempt to join a Power 5 conference – a move that would position the Bearcats among the haves in a growing schism in college athletics rooted in television money and influence.


http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/201.../80280488/

That’s a very good article about what’s going on behind the scenes. One key point for me is I think you need to ask yourself the question about your university, is my schools president and AD doing everything possible behind the scenes and publicly from a facilities upgrade, fund raising, football and basketball performance and academic improvement standpoint to put my school in the best position possible if P5 expansion was to occur?

There is always more you can do, but when it comes to Temple, President Theobald and AD Kraft I feel pretty comfortable that they are working hard to put Temple in the best position possible. Now it’s just a matter of time and hoping expansion does actually occur.

(02-15-2016 09:13 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 10:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  President Santa Ono has led a quiet and diligent effort to position the University of Cincinnati to join the Big 12 Conference, one that’s won high praise from a powerful official who is key to deciding whether the league will expand.

The university released emails, travel records and other documents to The Enquirer last week that give insight into the UC’s attempt to join a Power 5 conference – a move that would position the Bearcats among the haves in a growing schism in college athletics rooted in television money and influence.


http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/201.../80280488/

That’s a very good article about what’s going on behind the scenes. One key point for me is I think you need to ask yourself the question about your university, is my schools president and AD doing everything possible behind the scenes and publicly from a facilities upgrade, fund raising, football and basketball performance and academic improvement standpoint to put my school in the best position possible if P5 expansion was to occur?

There is always more you can do, but when it comes to Temple, President Theobald and AD Kraft I feel pretty comfortable that they are working hard to put Temple in the best position possible. Now it’s just a matter of time and hoping expansion does actually occur.

I don't think there is a school in the AAC that hasn't been serious about upgrades across the board - from facilities to bringing in good coaches.
If our first season with NAVY is any indication, the entire AAC is deserving of power status; and that prevailing attitude has fostered a culture of investment in this conference.
Hoping expansion occurs can either be bad for the majority of those teams, or it can be a boon for the AAC. It just depends on whether the Big 12 gets poached or the AAC does.
The entire process is so arbitrary, it's difficult to say what 'deserving' really means. Whatever that standard is, I think it has ignited the growth of this conference to the extent that the best case scenario for most of the members is staying together.

(02-14-2016 09:56 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 08:59 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 08:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  who will the AAC add after UC and UCONN bolt to the B12?

UC and UCONN

Hahahaha. Big 12 adds UC and UCONN. Same day Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and a few others leave. Big 12 dissolves. AAC adds UC and UCONN. Cheers!

Yep, it has to suck at ECU knowing you have reached your ceiling, are mediocre to terrible in the revenue sports in your new conference, and have no earthly hope of ever moving up. Cheers!

It must suck being owned against ecu in the big boy sport all time for such a power like uc. Just hold your breath until that invite comes. Yeah a few schools are unhappy but all that masters is what Texas wants and they want nothing to do with you. If they couldn't have the championship game with ten teams you could be the cocky ******* you are and no one would say anything but to bad

(02-15-2016 09:33 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 09:13 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 10:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  President Santa Ono has led a quiet and diligent effort to position the University of Cincinnati to join the Big 12 Conference, one that’s won high praise from a powerful official who is key to deciding whether the league will expand.

The university released emails, travel records and other documents to The Enquirer last week that give insight into the UC’s attempt to join a Power 5 conference – a move that would position the Bearcats among the haves in a growing schism in college athletics rooted in television money and influence.


http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/201.../80280488/

That’s a very good article about what’s going on behind the scenes. One key point for me is I think you need to ask yourself the question about your university, is my schools president and AD doing everything possible behind the scenes and publicly from a facilities upgrade, fund raising, football and basketball performance and academic improvement standpoint to put my school in the best position possible if P5 expansion was to occur?

There is always more you can do, but when it comes to Temple, President Theobald and AD Kraft I feel pretty comfortable that they are working hard to put Temple in the best position possible. Now it’s just a matter of time and hoping expansion does actually occur.

I don't think there is a school in the AAC that hasn't been serious about upgrades across the board - from facilities to bringing in good coaches.
If our first season with NAVY is any indication, the entire AAC is deserving of power status; and that prevailing attitude has fostered a culture of investment in this conference.
Hoping expansion occurs can either be bad for the majority of those teams, or it can be a boon for the AAC. It just depends on whether the Big 12 gets poached or the AAC does.
The entire process is so arbitrary, it's difficult to say what 'deserving' really means. Whatever that standard is, I think it has ignited the growth of this conference to the extent that the best case scenario for most of the members is staying together.

I think the bold above sums it up pretty well, deserving has very little if anything to do with it. I think everyone is jockeying to put themselves in the best position to be selected and are hoping for the best. Overall i think the quality of play (in football at least) has benefited from it.

The AAC is like triple A baseball, everyone is working hard on their game hoping to get called up, however who get's called up has more to do with a specific need as opposed to who is the best overall player on the roster.

(02-15-2016 10:36 AM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:56 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 08:59 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 08:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  who will the AAC add after UC and UCONN bolt to the B12?

UC and UCONN

Hahahaha. Big 12 adds UC and UCONN. Same day Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and a few others leave. Big 12 dissolves. AAC adds UC and UCONN. Cheers!

Yep, it has to suck at ECU knowing you have reached your ceiling, are mediocre to terrible in the revenue sports in your new conference, and have no earthly hope of ever moving up. Cheers!

It must suck being owned against ecu in the big boy sport all time for such a power like uc. Just hold your breath until that invite comes. Yeah a few schools are unhappy but all that masters is what Texas wants and they want nothing to do with you. If they couldn't have the championship game with ten teams you could be the cocky ******* you are and no one would say anything but to bad

Have not beat us since 2001 in football. We have a 5 game win streak, and we really do not have to discuss hoops do we. You can live off your success in the 80s-90s to build up a 12 to 7 advantage if you like. Call it arrogant, but we have passed you long ago.

(02-15-2016 10:47 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 10:36 AM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:56 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 08:59 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  UC and UCONN

Hahahaha. Big 12 adds UC and UCONN. Same day Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and a few others leave. Big 12 dissolves. AAC adds UC and UCONN. Cheers!

Yep, it has to suck at ECU knowing you have reached your ceiling, are mediocre to terrible in the revenue sports in your new conference, and have no earthly hope of ever moving up. Cheers!

It must suck being owned against ecu in the big boy sport all time for such a power like uc. Just hold your breath until that invite comes. Yeah a few schools are unhappy but all that masters is what Texas wants and they want nothing to do with you. If they couldn't have the championship game with ten teams you could be the cocky ******* you are and no one would say anything but to bad

Have not beat us since 2001 in football. We have a 5 game win streak, and we really do not have to discuss hoops do we. You can live off your success in the 80s-90s to build up a 12 to 7 advantage if you like. Call it arrogant, but we have passed you long ago.

Breaking news uc is invited to the big 12 because rtaylor thinks it will happen. See you next season scrub. Love how I talk about the big boy sport and the first thing you do is talk basketball. Clearly ECU doesn't care about basketball because we have Lebo locked down to 2021. That is a bigger joke than uc to the big 12 But our baseball team is way better our women's cross country blah blah blah.

Everyone look how big my dick is!

(02-15-2016 10:53 AM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 10:47 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 10:36 AM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:56 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Hahahaha. Big 12 adds UC and UCONN. Same day Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and a few others leave. Big 12 dissolves. AAC adds UC and UCONN. Cheers!

Yep, it has to suck at ECU knowing you have reached your ceiling, are mediocre to terrible in the revenue sports in your new conference, and have no earthly hope of ever moving up. Cheers!

It must suck being owned against ecu in the big boy sport all time for such a power like uc. Just hold your breath until that invite comes. Yeah a few schools are unhappy but all that masters is what Texas wants and they want nothing to do with you. If they couldn't have the championship game with ten teams you could be the cocky ******* you are and no one would say anything but to bad

Have not beat us since 2001 in football. We have a 5 game win streak, and we really do not have to discuss hoops do we. You can live off your success in the 80s-90s to build up a 12 to 7 advantage if you like. Call it arrogant, but we have passed you long ago.

Breaking news uc is invited to the big 12 because rtaylor thinks it will happen. See you next season scrub. Love how I talk about the big boy sport and the first thing you do is talk basketball. Clearly ECU doesn't care about basketball because we have Lebo locked down to 2021. That is a bigger joke than uc to the big 12 But our baseball team is way better our women's cross country blah blah blah.

Man, you sound really worried that UC is going to the Big 12. I don't see the big deal. Would probably help you out, seeing as how we suck and all.

(02-15-2016 10:57 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 10:53 AM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 10:47 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 10:36 AM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:56 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Yep, it has to suck at ECU knowing you have reached your ceiling, are mediocre to terrible in the revenue sports in your new conference, and have no earthly hope of ever moving up. Cheers!

It must suck being owned against ecu in the big boy sport all time for such a power like uc. Just hold your breath until that invite comes. Yeah a few schools are unhappy but all that masters is what Texas wants and they want nothing to do with you. If they couldn't have the championship game with ten teams you could be the cocky ******* you are and no one would say anything but to bad

Have not beat us since 2001 in football. We have a 5 game win streak, and we really do not have to discuss hoops do we. You can live off your success in the 80s-90s to build up a 12 to 7 advantage if you like. Call it arrogant, but we have passed you long ago.

Breaking news uc is invited to the big 12 because rtaylor thinks it will happen. See you next season scrub. Love how I talk about the big boy sport and the first thing you do is talk basketball. Clearly ECU doesn't care about basketball because we have Lebo locked down to 2021. That is a bigger joke than uc to the big 12 But our baseball team is way better our women's cross country blah blah blah.

Man, you sound really worried that UC is going to the Big 12. I don't see the big deal. Would probably help you out, seeing as how we suck and all.

12-7 is all I see and you still here saying you passed us.