(02-15-2016 02:44 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 01:25 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 01:18 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:42 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:29 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  If you think UC is going to enhance B12 basketball when its floundering in the AAC you are clearly not understanding the difference from participating in the 8th rated basketball conference and the #1 rated basketball conference in the B12.

UC basketball is a drop in the ocean compared to the programs of the B12.

UC football is a joke compared to B12 football programs.

If the B12 is gutted and needs 5-6 AAC programs to retain itself then yes UC becomes fairly appealing as an option.

Insert Ohio U where you have UC then you have a winner. BTW UC is
.5 games out of 1st place and can win the conference outright or win the tourney also. Any extra tickets for the Monday/Tuesday MACNation games?

It is a good comparison. Insert Ohio U and #10 rated basketball conference instead of Cincinnati and #8 rated basketball conference.

There is a segment of Ohio fans that want to move up to the AAC. The basketball budget exceeds some AAC schools and basketball attendance would be in the upper half of the AAC. Number #1 in both categories in the MAC.

The difference is our fans understand that if we move to the AAC no longer will Ohio be leading the conference in attendance and have the competitive advantages of the MAC. UC fans however think they can roll in the #1 basketball and #2 football conference in the country.

UC to the ACC I think is a different arguement since you'll be in their with Louisville and Pittsburgh strategic rivals and its not that much stronger of a football conference than the AAC. Its conceivable UC can finish in the upper half of the AAC football conference. UC probably brings more value to the ACC than any other AAC candidate. UConn's regional market value is negated in the ACC with Syracuse and Boston College already in there.

UConn to the B12 the market value arguement is at its maximum. Basketball arguement is at its maximum with an amazing reputation in the sport. Its very conceivable they could be up at the top of the B12 with Kansas in basketball.

You can't just look at which conference is going to give your school the most money but how the school will do if they move to that conference.

Its really too bad Ohio U doesn't get the facilities and fan support because they would be a good candidate for the Big 12. I guess being in the lull of the MAC can do that to a team as its hard to defend spending $$ to upgrade the facilities in that conference.

Ohio gets 24-25k for a Saturday FB game and 9-10k in basketball so I don't see how that is weak fan support. That's pretty good for a G5 school.

The problem is Athens is the smallest town in FBS. Without the students the town proper only has a few thousand residents. It makes Manhattan Kansas look like a big market.

Morgantown is 2 hours away and at 31,000 (103,000 county) it made enough difference to justify at larger football stadium. Mountaineer Field was built to 38,000 seats in 1927. Peden Stadium where Ohio plays was built in 1929 but for only 12,000 seats.

Last 5 Years Ohio University Basketball Attendance:

2014: 6,124
2013: 6,932
2012: 6,177
2011: 5,599
2010: 5,289

Your bball numbers are inflated 49-66%. Been Top 100 though for the last couple years. That's pretty solid. Trending upward too. Certainly nothing to sneeze and ahead of some AAC schools sadly.

http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statis...attendance

(02-15-2016 03:09 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 12:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 02:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 11:03 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  Matt Schonvisky
‏@MattSchonvisky
SOURCE: #UConn among schools recommended for #Big12 expansion following pulling of metrics by Chicago based firm, Navigate Research


Article from Navigate Reseach:

Why Do Conferences Expand?
Navigate Research - Wednesday, January 21, 2015
http://www.navigateresearch.com/navigate...ces-expand
Written by Dan Kozlak


"However, the vast majority of the change has been and will continue to be driven by financial gains. With a new wave of realignment poised to take place, what are some of the key areas that conferences look for in a school to consider that institution as a candidate for expansion? Let’s take a look at a basic process for building the case for a university as a candidate for expansion into a major conference:

1. University Size - More students equal more dollars, more alumni, and an overall larger fan base. Schools with large student populations are naturally attractive because they produce more alumni, which then become fans and ultimately consumers.

2. APR and Academic Success Measures - Conferences are still set in place to help manage institutions of higher learning, and keeping successful academics is certainly a part of that mission. Schools that can enhance the overall academic profile of a conference have an advantage.

3. Television DMA Size - This is a major factor. Many contend it was the driving force behind Rutgers or Maryland to the Big 10. Just because a school may not have a strong following in a particular city does not mean that its location cannot be lucrative to a conference. It is more about the market’s reach and the potential subscription fees that can be charged.

4. Alumni Presence - Conferences want to see an active alumni base, both in athletics and the university. Alumni are key for season tickets, donations, and more.

5. Recruiting - Many conferences sees schools as a favorable place to expand because of recruiting access. Think about USF going to the BIG EAST over a decade ago. That now seems to purely have been a recruiting play with the BIG EAST attempting to gain a footprint in Florida, a high school football recruiting stronghold.

While these metrics are surely not the only metrics that conferences look at when considering expansion, they are certainly a few of the most important."

But, almost everybody in the AAC, C-USA, MAC, MWC, Sun Belt and FCS cover almost all 5.

This isn't even close to true.

Cincinnati has more living alumni than almost every non-Big 10 school in the nation. With 285,000 living alums, we dwarf USF & UCF (both of which were tiny schools 30 years ago) and every other G5 school except SDSU and UConn. USF & UCF might be bigger in the future, but with 43,700 students and a higher graduation rate than them we're currently graduating more students every year.

When it comes to academic success measures, UC is ahead of every G5 school except Rice, although UConn, Temple and CSU are about at our level. Everyone else except Tulane, USF, SMU, and SDSU isn't even close.

Our recruiting and market size aren't too shabby either, so no one except Houston & SMU has a big advantage over us in that regard.

Now these might not be the metrics that the conferences are looking at. For example, Louisville only has about 110,000 living alums and they got picked. But if these are the right metrics, Cincinnati is the clear #1 choice.

You are in fact not graduating more students than UCF, idk about USF but I'd assume that is also untrue. Your market is currently ranked #36, so there are several schools that are ahead you in that regard including USF, Houston, UCF, UCONN, SMU, and Temple. http://www.tvb.org/media/file/2015-2016-dma-ranks.pdf

We also know your line about living alumni is false, so all in all you've firmly discredited yourself.

Cincinnati:
"There are 285,000 living alumni of the University of Cincinnati. Whether we're old friends or have yet to meet, we all share a common Bearcat bond."
https://www.alumni.uc.edu/
UCF:
"The FAIRWINDS Alumni Center welcomes many of our 250,000 UCF alumni"
http://www.ucf.edu/alumni-giving/

Unless one of these schools is lying on their website, Cincinnati has more living alumni than UCF has total alumni.

And I never said our market was #1. I said that it's "not too shabby."

(02-15-2016 05:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 03:09 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 12:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 02:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 11:03 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  Matt Schonvisky
‏@MattSchonvisky
SOURCE: #UConn among schools recommended for #Big12 expansion following pulling of metrics by Chicago based firm, Navigate Research


Article from Navigate Reseach:

Why Do Conferences Expand?
Navigate Research - Wednesday, January 21, 2015
http://www.navigateresearch.com/navigate...ces-expand
Written by Dan Kozlak


"However, the vast majority of the change has been and will continue to be driven by financial gains. With a new wave of realignment poised to take place, what are some of the key areas that conferences look for in a school to consider that institution as a candidate for expansion? Let’s take a look at a basic process for building the case for a university as a candidate for expansion into a major conference:

1. University Size - More students equal more dollars, more alumni, and an overall larger fan base. Schools with large student populations are naturally attractive because they produce more alumni, which then become fans and ultimately consumers.

2. APR and Academic Success Measures - Conferences are still set in place to help manage institutions of higher learning, and keeping successful academics is certainly a part of that mission. Schools that can enhance the overall academic profile of a conference have an advantage.

3. Television DMA Size - This is a major factor. Many contend it was the driving force behind Rutgers or Maryland to the Big 10. Just because a school may not have a strong following in a particular city does not mean that its location cannot be lucrative to a conference. It is more about the market’s reach and the potential subscription fees that can be charged.

4. Alumni Presence - Conferences want to see an active alumni base, both in athletics and the university. Alumni are key for season tickets, donations, and more.

5. Recruiting - Many conferences sees schools as a favorable place to expand because of recruiting access. Think about USF going to the BIG EAST over a decade ago. That now seems to purely have been a recruiting play with the BIG EAST attempting to gain a footprint in Florida, a high school football recruiting stronghold.

While these metrics are surely not the only metrics that conferences look at when considering expansion, they are certainly a few of the most important."

But, almost everybody in the AAC, C-USA, MAC, MWC, Sun Belt and FCS cover almost all 5.

This isn't even close to true.

Cincinnati has more living alumni than almost every non-Big 10 school in the nation. With 285,000 living alums, we dwarf USF & UCF (both of which were tiny schools 30 years ago) and every other G5 school except SDSU and UConn. USF & UCF might be bigger in the future, but with 43,700 students and a higher graduation rate than them we're currently graduating more students every year.

When it comes to academic success measures, UC is ahead of every G5 school except Rice, although UConn, Temple and CSU are about at our level. Everyone else except Tulane, USF, SMU, and SDSU isn't even close.

Our recruiting and market size aren't too shabby either, so no one except Houston & SMU has a big advantage over us in that regard.

Now these might not be the metrics that the conferences are looking at. For example, Louisville only has about 110,000 living alums and they got picked. But if these are the right metrics, Cincinnati is the clear #1 choice.

You are in fact not graduating more students than UCF, idk about USF but I'd assume that is also untrue. Your market is currently ranked #36, so there are several schools that are ahead you in that regard including USF, Houston, UCF, UCONN, SMU, and Temple. http://www.tvb.org/media/file/2015-2016-dma-ranks.pdf

We also know your line about living alumni is false, so all in all you've firmly discredited yourself.

Cincinnati:
"There are 285,000 living alumni of the University of Cincinnati. Whether we're old friends or have yet to meet, we all share a common Bearcat bond."
https://www.alumni.uc.edu/
UCF:
"The FAIRWINDS Alumni Center welcomes many of our 250,000 UCF alumni"
http://www.ucf.edu/alumni-giving/

Unless one of these schools is lying on their website, Cincinnati has more living alumni than UCF has total alumni.

And I never said our market was #1. I said that it's "not too shabby."

Time for a fact check on alumni #'s.

South Florida 290,000
Cincinnati 285,000
San Diego State 280,000
Central Florida 250,000
Buffalo 230,000
Connecticut 230,000
Houston 224,000
Kent State 214,000
Colorado State 200,000
San Jose State 200,000
Miami U. 200,000
Western Michigan 185,000

While UC is near the top of alumni numbers among G5 schools it hardly dwarfs anyone in the G5 beyond the private schools.

The claim that UC dwarfs alumni of non-B1G schools is also false. I don't have all the numbers but one site that has the Top 50 networks (a list that UC is squarely not a part of).

NYU 470,000
UCLA 400,000
Florida 367,000
Texas A&M 370,000
Southern Cal 366,000
Columbia 300,000
North Carolina 300,000
Georgia 300,000
Auburn 200,000
John's Hopkins 190,000
Emory 133,000
Princeton 90,000

http://www.bestcollegevalues.org/top-alumni-networks/

Credit to Kittonhead, you should also prove where you said that you're putting out more alumni than UCF and USF. You can certainly disagree on whether UC is top choice or even a better choice, not disputing either assertion just your "facts". You wrote no one but SMU and Houston have an advantage over UC in market, clearly not the case.

(02-15-2016 03:47 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 02:44 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 01:25 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 01:18 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 09:42 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Insert Ohio U where you have UC then you have a winner. BTW UC is
.5 games out of 1st place and can win the conference outright or win the tourney also. Any extra tickets for the Monday/Tuesday MACNation games?

It is a good comparison. Insert Ohio U and #10 rated basketball conference instead of Cincinnati and #8 rated basketball conference.

There is a segment of Ohio fans that want to move up to the AAC. The basketball budget exceeds some AAC schools and basketball attendance would be in the upper half of the AAC. Number #1 in both categories in the MAC.

The difference is our fans understand that if we move to the AAC no longer will Ohio be leading the conference in attendance and have the competitive advantages of the MAC. UC fans however think they can roll in the #1 basketball and #2 football conference in the country.

UC to the ACC I think is a different arguement since you'll be in their with Louisville and Pittsburgh strategic rivals and its not that much stronger of a football conference than the AAC. Its conceivable UC can finish in the upper half of the AAC football conference. UC probably brings more value to the ACC than any other AAC candidate. UConn's regional market value is negated in the ACC with Syracuse and Boston College already in there.

UConn to the B12 the market value arguement is at its maximum. Basketball arguement is at its maximum with an amazing reputation in the sport. Its very conceivable they could be up at the top of the B12 with Kansas in basketball.

You can't just look at which conference is going to give your school the most money but how the school will do if they move to that conference.

Its really too bad Ohio U doesn't get the facilities and fan support because they would be a good candidate for the Big 12. I guess being in the lull of the MAC can do that to a team as its hard to defend spending $$ to upgrade the facilities in that conference.

Ohio gets 24-25k for a Saturday FB game and 9-10k in basketball so I don't see how that is weak fan support. That's pretty good for a G5 school.

The problem is Athens is the smallest town in FBS. Without the students the town proper only has a few thousand residents. It makes Manhattan Kansas look like a big market.

Morgantown is 2 hours away and at 31,000 (103,000 county) it made enough difference to justify at larger football stadium. Mountaineer Field was built to 38,000 seats in 1927. Peden Stadium where Ohio plays was built in 1929 but for only 12,000 seats.

Last 5 Years Ohio University Basketball Attendance:

2014: 6,124
2013: 6,932
2012: 6,177
2011: 5,599
2010: 5,289

Your bball numbers are inflated 49-66%. Been Top 100 though for the last couple years. That's pretty solid. Trending upward too. Certainly nothing to sneeze and ahead of some AAC schools sadly.

http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statis...attendance

The 9-10k are regular for Saturday games. The total of 128,602 through the gates in 2014 ranks 65th in the NCAA, ahead of many P5 teams.

This is all with not having a P5 school visit our arena in 15 years. That will change in 2017 when Ohio hosts Purdue.

(02-15-2016 04:07 AM)KUGR Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 02:23 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 12:28 AM)KUGR Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 03:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boren and Bowlsby admitted that their tv contract is for 12 teams. It was left open in case the Big 12 could expand to 12. Adding 2 more teams would not hurt the total payout for each school.

They never said the deal was for 12 teams or any other number. They said the TV deal included provision for expansion so that the TV deal would be prorated to continue paying out the same amount to each school. It has nothing to do with 12....any more than it does with 10 or 14.

The cause for confusion is that the quote that people are going from specifically said that if the league expands to 11 or 12 members, the TV money per school would remain the same. 14 members was not addressed, so either way we would only be speculating.

It is perfectly plausible that the quote said 11 or 12 because 12 is the limit, and also perfectly plausible that the quote said 11 or 12 because the person talking has a two team expansion in mind and was not particularly interested in expanding to 14.

Well, the Big 12 is having analysts go over the 14 team model for them. I don't think they would do that unless it was written into the TV contracts. It's a very SAFE assumption.

4 schools could split the remaining 2 spots by taken fewer money than the 10 schools. But, it would still be more money for the four schools coming in than they are making in the AAC.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...candidates

Don't know if this was posted, an email from David Boren to Cincinnati president that OU supports Cincinnati. So, it could mean Cincinnati is in, but who would be the number 12 spot?

(02-15-2016 06:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...candidates

Don't know if this was posted, an email from David Boren to Cincinnati president that OU supports Cincinnati. So, it could mean Cincinnati is in, but who would be the number 12 spot?

Back in December, McMurphy reported that Cinti had NOT been in contact with the B12:

http://bearcatsblog.com/2014-articles/br...lated.html

This new report seems to contradict McMurphy.

(02-15-2016 06:12 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 05:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 03:09 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 12:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 02:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
But, almost everybody in the AAC, C-USA, MAC, MWC, Sun Belt and FCS cover almost all 5.

This isn't even close to true.

Cincinnati has more living alumni than almost every non-Big 10 school in the nation. With 285,000 living alums, we dwarf USF & UCF (both of which were tiny schools 30 years ago) and every other G5 school except SDSU and UConn. USF & UCF might be bigger in the future, but with 43,700 students and a higher graduation rate than them we're currently graduating more students every year.

When it comes to academic success measures, UC is ahead of every G5 school except Rice, although UConn, Temple and CSU are about at our level. Everyone else except Tulane, USF, SMU, and SDSU isn't even close.

Our recruiting and market size aren't too shabby either, so no one except Houston & SMU has a big advantage over us in that regard.

Now these might not be the metrics that the conferences are looking at. For example, Louisville only has about 110,000 living alums and they got picked. But if these are the right metrics, Cincinnati is the clear #1 choice.

You are in fact not graduating more students than UCF, idk about USF but I'd assume that is also untrue. Your market is currently ranked #36, so there are several schools that are ahead you in that regard including USF, Houston, UCF, UCONN, SMU, and Temple. http://www.tvb.org/media/file/2015-2016-dma-ranks.pdf

We also know your line about living alumni is false, so all in all you've firmly discredited yourself.

Cincinnati:
"There are 285,000 living alumni of the University of Cincinnati. Whether we're old friends or have yet to meet, we all share a common Bearcat bond."
https://www.alumni.uc.edu/
UCF:
"The FAIRWINDS Alumni Center welcomes many of our 250,000 UCF alumni"
http://www.ucf.edu/alumni-giving/

Unless one of these schools is lying on their website, Cincinnati has more living alumni than UCF has total alumni.

And I never said our market was #1. I said that it's "not too shabby."

Time for a fact check on alumni #'s.

South Florida 290,000
Cincinnati 285,000
San Diego State 280,000
Central Florida 250,000
Buffalo 230,000
Connecticut 230,000
Houston 224,000
Kent State 214,000
Colorado State 200,000
San Jose State 200,000
Miami U. 200,000
Western Michigan 185,000

While UC is near the top of alumni numbers among G5 schools it hardly dwarfs anyone in the G5 beyond the private schools.

The claim that UC dwarfs alumni of non-B1G schools is also false. I don't have all the numbers but one site that has the Top 50 networks (a list that UC is squarely not a part of).

NYU 470,000
UCLA 400,000
Florida 367,000
Texas A&M 370,000
Southern Cal 366,000
Columbia 300,000
North Carolina 300,000
Georgia 300,000
Auburn 200,000
John's Hopkins 190,000
Emory 133,000
Princeton 90,000

http://www.bestcollegevalues.org/top-alumni-networks/

Credit to Kittonhead, you should also prove where you said that you're putting out more alumni than UCF and USF. You can certainly disagree on whether UC is top choice or even a better choice, not disputing either assertion just your "facts". You wrote no one but SMU and Houston have an advantage over UC in market, clearly not the case.

I stand corrected about USF. I wasn't able to find theirs when I looked this up a few years ago and just lumped them into the same category as UCF. In that light, USF also would be a strong candidate according to those criteria.

There's over 340 schools in D-1 and 7000 in the country. UC has more living alums than all but 1 Big 12 school (Texas), all but 3 ACC schools (FSU, UNC, and Pitt), and all but 3 SEC schools (Florida, Georgia, Texas A&M). I didn't bother checking the PAC (it took me a long, long time to find this data). And it doesn't surprise me that there's one or two non-FBS schools out there (NYU, Columbia).

So please stop putting words in my (and other posters') mouth. I said, "Cincinnati has more living alumni than almost every non-Big 10 school in the nation." This is a true statement. Even with your extensive searches you only found 8.

Also, I said, "Our recruiting and market size aren't too shabby either, so no one except Houston & SMU has a big advantage over us in that regard." I did not say, "no one but SMU and Houston have an advantage over UC in market," as you claim I said.

So while you nitpick at details which cast your school in a poor light, you're still forgetting the primary point: if you just pick each individual category, Cincy is at or near the top or on the top of the G5 pile in every one. UCF certainly can't claim that because academics is one of the categories.

(02-15-2016 06:12 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 05:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 03:09 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 12:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 02:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
But, almost everybody in the AAC, C-USA, MAC, MWC, Sun Belt and FCS cover almost all 5.

This isn't even close to true.

Cincinnati has more living alumni than almost every non-Big 10 school in the nation. With 285,000 living alums, we dwarf USF & UCF (both of which were tiny schools 30 years ago) and every other G5 school except SDSU and UConn. USF & UCF might be bigger in the future, but with 43,700 students and a higher graduation rate than them we're currently graduating more students every year.

When it comes to academic success measures, UC is ahead of every G5 school except Rice, although UConn, Temple and CSU are about at our level. Everyone else except Tulane, USF, SMU, and SDSU isn't even close.

Our recruiting and market size aren't too shabby either, so no one except Houston & SMU has a big advantage over us in that regard.

Now these might not be the metrics that the conferences are looking at. For example, Louisville only has about 110,000 living alums and they got picked. But if these are the right metrics, Cincinnati is the clear #1 choice.

You are in fact not graduating more students than UCF, idk about USF but I'd assume that is also untrue. Your market is currently ranked #36, so there are several schools that are ahead you in that regard including USF, Houston, UCF, UCONN, SMU, and Temple. http://www.tvb.org/media/file/2015-2016-dma-ranks.pdf

We also know your line about living alumni is false, so all in all you've firmly discredited yourself.

Cincinnati:
"There are 285,000 living alumni of the University of Cincinnati. Whether we're old friends or have yet to meet, we all share a common Bearcat bond."
https://www.alumni.uc.edu/
UCF:
"The FAIRWINDS Alumni Center welcomes many of our 250,000 UCF alumni"
http://www.ucf.edu/alumni-giving/

Unless one of these schools is lying on their website, Cincinnati has more living alumni than UCF has total alumni.

And I never said our market was #1. I said that it's "not too shabby."

Time for a fact check on alumni #'s.

South Florida 290,000
Cincinnati 285,000
San Diego State 280,000
Central Florida 250,000
Buffalo 230,000
Connecticut 230,000
Houston 224,000
Kent State 214,000
Colorado State 200,000
San Jose State 200,000
Miami U. 200,000
Western Michigan 185,000

While UC is near the top of alumni numbers among G5 schools it hardly dwarfs anyone in the G5 beyond the private schools.

The claim that UC dwarfs alumni of non-B1G schools is also false. I don't have all the numbers but one site that has the Top 50 networks (a list that UC is squarely not a part of).

NYU 470,000
UCLA 400,000
Florida 367,000
Texas A&M 370,000
Southern Cal 366,000
Columbia 300,000
North Carolina 300,000
Georgia 300,000
Auburn 200,000
John's Hopkins 190,000
Emory 133,000
Princeton 90,000

http://www.bestcollegevalues.org/top-alumni-networks/

Credit to Kittonhead, you should also prove where you said that you're putting out more alumni than UCF and USF. You can certainly disagree on whether UC is top choice or even a better choice, not disputing either assertion just your "facts". You wrote no one but SMU and Houston have an advantage over UC in market, clearly not the case.

FYI Sacramento State has almost 214,000 living alumni. Not bad for an FCS school!

http://www.csus.edu/oir/Data%20Center/Un...Alumni.pdf

Since we're having a peeing contest - BYU has over 400K living alumni:

YFacts

Fewer than half of those alumni live in Utah; and strong alumni contingencies in Texas, California, Virginia, and Florida.

(02-15-2016 08:31 PM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 06:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...candidates

Don't know if this was posted, an email from David Boren to Cincinnati president that OU supports Cincinnati. So, it could mean Cincinnati is in, but who would be the number 12 spot?

Back in December, McMurphy reported that Cinti had NOT been in contact with the B12:

http://bearcatsblog.com/2014-articles/br...lated.html

This new report seems to contradict McMurphy.

I'd love to rag on McGrumpy, but his report was from December 2014. Boren's email was dated Feb 2015. Both could be true.

I still don't know what the Big 12 will do, but it seems clear from the articles and from UC's leadership that if the B12 does expand, UC is going to be included.

(02-15-2016 11:24 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 08:31 PM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 06:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...candidates

Don't know if this was posted, an email from David Boren to Cincinnati president that OU supports Cincinnati. So, it could mean Cincinnati is in, but who would be the number 12 spot?

Back in December, McMurphy reported that Cinti had NOT been in contact with the B12:

http://bearcatsblog.com/2014-articles/br...lated.html

This new report seems to contradict McMurphy.

I'd love to rag on McGrumpy, but his report was from December 2014. Boren's email was dated Feb 2015. Both could be true.

I still don't know what the Big 12 will do, but it seems clear from the articles and from UC's leadership that if the B12 does expand, UC is going to be included.

Interestingly McMurphy known for is accurate realignment information started with the Tampa Tribune (USF) where he broke a big scandal at South Florida.

https://www.vcuramnation.com/2012/05/qa-...bs-sports/

Since 1990, USF has moved from the SBC, Metro, CUSA, Big East and AAC in less than 25 years. Therefore its made perfect sense for McMurphy to key in on realignment.

Cincy is a slam dunk, who knows after that. Good point on McMurphy.

(02-16-2016 12:40 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 11:24 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 08:31 PM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 06:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...candidates

Don't know if this was posted, an email from David Boren to Cincinnati president that OU supports Cincinnati. So, it could mean Cincinnati is in, but who would be the number 12 spot?

Back in December, McMurphy reported that Cinti had NOT been in contact with the B12:

http://bearcatsblog.com/2014-articles/br...lated.html

This new report seems to contradict McMurphy.

I'd love to rag on McGrumpy, but his report was from December 2014. Boren's email was dated Feb 2015. Both could be true.

I still don't know what the Big 12 will do, but it seems clear from the articles and from UC's leadership that if the B12 does expand, UC is going to be included.

Interestingly McMurphy known for is accurate realignment information started with the Tampa Tribune (USF) where he broke a big scandal at South Florida.

https://www.vcuramnation.com/2012/05/qa-...bs-sports/

Since 1990, USF has moved from the SBC, Metro, CUSA, Big East and AAC in less than 25 years. Therefore its made perfect sense for McMurphy to key in on realignment.

VRN: Do you think Big East basketball teams will ever break away and form their own conference?

McMurphy: “Ever is a long time. Anything is possible, but not in the near future. It just doesn’t make financial sense.”

SLAM DUNK !

(02-15-2016 12:37 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  UConn is far but it isn't too far, I only wish there was a better option closer.

There is a better/comparable option that is closer to the B12's footprint than Connecticut: Cincinnati. There just aren't TWO better available options. There were two better options than UConn whenever Louisville was available but that ship has long since sailed.

(02-16-2016 04:32 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 12:37 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  UConn is far but it isn't too far, I only wish there was a better option closer.

There is a better/comparable option that is closer to the B12's footprint than Connecticut: Cincinnati. There just aren't TWO better available options. There were two better options than UConn whenever Louisville was available but that ship has long since sailed.

Yes Cincy is believed by many with me including to be #11, but there isn't a clear #12. I wouldn't be opposed to drop down to 8 conference games and just have 11 members.

(02-14-2016 09:29 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  If you think UC is going to enhance B12 basketball when its floundering in the AAC you are clearly not understanding the difference from participating in the 8th rated basketball conference and the #1 rated basketball conference in the B12.

UC basketball is a drop in the ocean compared to the programs of the B12.

UC football is a joke compared to B12 football programs.

If the B12 is gutted and needs 5-6 AAC programs to retain itself then yes UC becomes fairly appealing as an option.

great argument...too bad it doesn't work.

Once Mick got UC straightened out we competed fine in the Big East which was a heck of a lot tougher and deeper than the B12.

This year has been a bit of a downer, but we are also trying to recruit to a UC team in a crud conference.

I wouldn't worry about UC competing in the B12 in hoops in a short time.

Football would take more time.

(02-20-2016 09:30 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  This year has been a bit of a downer, but we are also trying to recruit to a UC team in a crud conference.

SMU and UConn seem to be recruiting alright in the same conference.

(02-15-2016 11:24 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 08:31 PM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 06:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...candidates

Don't know if this was posted, an email from David Boren to Cincinnati president that OU supports Cincinnati. So, it could mean Cincinnati is in, but who would be the number 12 spot?

Back in December, McMurphy reported that Cinti had NOT been in contact with the B12:

http://bearcatsblog.com/2014-articles/br...lated.html

This new report seems to contradict McMurphy.

I'd love to rag on McGrumpy, but his report was from December 2014. Boren's email was dated Feb 2015. Both could be true.

I still don't know what the Big 12 will do, but it seems clear from the articles and from UC's leadership that if the B12 does expand, UC is going to be included.

Most of Ono's contact has been through Wefald & it goes back way earlier than December. Check out the article, not the SBnation summary:

Quote:But according to the UC Foundation board meeting minutes from April, Ono “personally visited every Big 12 president regarding the merits of the University of Cincinnati and its academic and athletic programs.”

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/201.../80280488/