(02-14-2016 02:59 PM)stodgdog Wrote:  I thought the thread was about Louisiana funding, or not, higher education.

Yes....and a large part of discussion about higher ed funding needs to be about underperforming schools, such as ltu-r. Why should the tax payers of this state be required to throw their good money to prop up athletic programs like ltu-r, while this same school's academics are in a state of decline?

Funny how you (and all you other @ruston little fellas) absolutely refuse to answer that basic, direct question.

To be clear, here is the direct quote of the @ruston president when they reached R2 status. Since they were true statements then, one can assume that their opposites are now equally true......so to that end I have added comments to reflect what the impact of being relegated to R3 will have on ltu-r:


"The Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching has elevated Louisiana Tech University to its “Research University – high research activity” (RU/H) category, placing it among an exclusive group of approximately 100 research universities in the United States to earn this classification."


"Louisiana Tech joins such distinguished research universities as Auburn University, Mississippi State University, Baylor University, the University of Arkansas and Clemson University."


“For a research institution like Louisiana Tech, the significance of this new classification cannot be overstated."

"It proves that we can effectively compete with some of the nation’s top research institutions for research funding and faculty.”


“Our faculty and staff should be very proud of this accomplishment and the national recognition they have earned for this institution.”


"As a doctorate-granting university, Louisiana Tech is grouped with similar institutions based on factors such as research funding, doctoral graduates, and research staff."


“The steady growth of Louisiana Tech’s research program over the years has been key to changing our classification,” said Dr. Les Guice, vice president for research and development at Louisiana Tech."



A link to the original quotes of the @ruston prez, so stoolR3dog can't accuse me of misquoting anyone:

http://news.latech.edu/2011/01/13/carneg...sification

Thanks, CF, but that 'before' pic shows only half the story. Here is the 'after' pic to complete it:

Lol....stodgR3 was here, read the comments, then scurried away without even trying to justifying his claims, or the status of ltu-r's academics.

RUN, LITTLE DOGGIE, RUN!!!!

(02-14-2016 02:36 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  We're guilty of hyperbole? And then you make that last assertion?

BTW, I've not seen a single LahTech fan anywhere actually comment on the fact that LahTech's Carneige research status has officially been downgraded from Level 2 to Level 3 and now matches that of ULM.

Is that a good thing, a bad thing, doesn't matter? And how do you guys think such a downgrade will likely affect your US News & World Report Tier 1 status? No effect, enhance your Tier 1 status, possibly be detrimental?

There is no doubt that LaTech's president believed your former R2 designation to be important to the universty because he used it as one component of his assertion that most of the major universities in the states of Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi, and Alabama were LahTech peers.

Any news on his reaction?

Yes, I have asked that question several times, but to no avail: this is the second most avoided question by the @ruston crowd. So let's try asking them both again:

1. What has the @ruston president said about the loss of R2 status at ltu-r? And the fact that they are now on the same academic level as ULM?

2. How can the loss of R2 status not signify a decline in academic/research status at ltu-r?

Two very simple questions, that should be very simple to answer. Try answering without personal attacks on the person asking the question. Or without any other red herring ploys.

<<<<CRICKETS>>>>

The little @ruston fellas have been SHUT DOWN from responding to not only the questions above but it has also meant no postings whatsoever from them in regards to any/all things about UL ...... and on all boards: here, the SBC board, RP, ULM board, etc.

It's like being in heaven!!

Or maybe they are all out celebrating their new R3 classification, lower T1 placement and over-all decline in academics???? Guess that's why they have that little @ruston site.....that and to wrap themselves tightly up in delusion. lol.

(02-16-2016 02:54 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  <<<<CRICKETS>>>>

The little @ruston fellas have been SHUT DOWN from responding to not only the questions above but it has also meant no postings whatsoever from them in regards to any/all things about UL ...... and on all boards: here, the SBC board, RP, ULM board, etc.

It's like being in heaven!!

Or maybe they are all out celebrating their new R3 classification, lower T1 place and over decline in academics???? Who knows lol.

I'll bite.

The fact that you equate research $ with academics is interesting.
Carnegie focuses in on research while US News is more of an overall university rating.

In the face of severe budget cuts, it seems Louisiana Tech has prioritized dollars to retain faculty in order to provide an excellent learning environment at the expense of research spending for the time being. By every other measure, (enrollment, average ACT score, starting salaries, etc.) Louisiana Tech is improving.

You hear crickets out of Ruston about it because other than the 2011 press clipping posted, I have never heard or seen it used in any Louisiana Tech materials before, probably because they knew it was unsustainable given the funding environment in the state.

I also find it interesting that ULL is missing from the graphic that shows all those top public universities in both classifications.

Based on the 2014 federal research funding data (the latest) our http://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/datatables/herd...ST_22.html

LSU #108 $94.7 million, $3,110/student
ULL #260 $10.7 million, $569/student
La Tech #287 $7.7 million, $683/student
ULM # 580 $0.5 million, $59/student

(02-16-2016 03:16 PM)zharkins Wrote:  

(02-16-2016 02:54 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  <<<<CRICKETS>>>>

The little @ruston fellas have been SHUT DOWN from responding to not only the questions above but it has also meant no postings whatsoever from them in regards to any/all things about UL ...... and on all boards: here, the SBC board, RP, ULM board, etc.

It's like being in heaven!!

Or maybe they are all out celebrating their new R3 classification, lower T1 place and over decline in academics???? Who knows lol.

I'll bite.

The fact that you equate research $ with academics is interesting.
Carnegie focuses in on research while US News is more of an overall university rating.

In the face of severe budget cuts, it seems Louisiana Tech has prioritized dollars to retain faculty in order to provide an excellent learning environment at the expense of research spending for the time being. By every other measure, (enrollment, average ACT score, starting salaries, etc.) Louisiana Tech is improving.

You hear crickets out of Ruston about it because other than the 2011 press clipping posted, I have never heard or seen it used in any Louisiana Tech materials before, probably because they knew it was unsustainable given the funding environment in the state.

I also find it interesting that ULL is missing from the graphic that shows all those top public universities in both classifications.

So basically, @ruston has being doing all these wonderful things, only to see their Carnegie classification drop? As well as their T1 ranking? (The T1 ranking is now dead last on the list, and ready to fall off the cliff. Especially with the new R3 classification.). Wonder how the two could things could happen at the same time???? lol. Maybe you are not abreast of, or are not sharing, the latest info?

And lol.....if you haven't seen how prominently it is used by ltu-r then you just aren't looking at the standard stuff from your marketing folks. It s not used, but it is the lead, first thing the use:



Or in the, now infamous, press release of July 2915. I'll save you the embarrassment and not post those again.

And you have most definetly have not 'prioritized dollars to retain faculty....' in fact, ltu-r uses by far the most % (more than UL,and ULM combined) to prop up their athletic programs. So these coming cuts will have a double whammy on you little fellas.

So, in summary, the Carneige Classification is the cornerstone of all college evaluations, and is the indisputable benchmark used by everyone.....including ltu-r. So, you can't just brush it off, or say there is a 'By every other measure' worth mentioning, because there is not. However, you keep repeating it to yourself, if helps you through the night in the face of such bad news. Again, yes, ltu-r used their R2 classification very often and very prominently for the past five years. These next five years will be very different, though.

Is that the best ya got?

And are you really going to try convince us that you little fellas are ok with being the same classification as ULM???

Oh and, UL had no issue in 'sustaining' its R2 classification. More telling, ULM was able to INCREASE their classification from M1 to R3 (now the same classification of @ruston).....and we are all in the same state, faced with the same budget issues. In fact, they receive far less funding than UL or ltu-r. Maybe they could do this because they werent using so much tax payer money to prop up their athletic dept?

Seems like that would be a good question for your prez to answer, should he ever address this issue with y'all. Or the La tax payers.

(02-16-2016 03:41 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  So, in summary, the Carneige Classification is the cornerstone of all college evaluations, and is the indisputable benchmark used by everyone.

Ok, I'll bite again with a game. You can go to the college of your choice for free...do you choose...

Texas Tech or Dartmouth
UNT or SMU
UT - Dallas or TCU
UT Arlington or Baylor
Wayne State or Wake Forest

If you picked any of the second schools, you picked the worst school by your methodology.

Carnegie classification is by total research dollars, so large schools will always have an advantage. To equate total research dollars as the "indisputable benchmark" of academics is stupid, but you are a ULL fan so I can understand why that might be confusing.

I really don't blame you for posting here though. A cursory search of Carnegie and Louisiana Tech mostly reveals ULL fan activity trolling (and getting laughed away) on the boards of LSU and Tulane.

(02-16-2016 04:01 PM)zharkins Wrote:  

(02-16-2016 03:41 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  So, in summary, the Carneige Classification is the cornerstone of all college evaluations, and is the indisputable benchmark used by everyone.

Ok, I'll bite again with a game. You can go to the college of your choice for free...do you choose...

Texas Tech or Dartmouth
UNT or SMU
UT - Dallas or TCU
UT Arlington or Baylor
Wayne State or Wake Forest

If you picked any of the second schools, you picked the worst school by your methodology.

Carnegie classification is by total research dollars, so large schools will always have an advantage. To equate total research dollars as the "indisputable benchmark" of academics is stupid, but you are a ULL fan so I can understand why that might be confusing.

I really don't blame you for posting here though. A cursory search of Carnegie and Louisiana Tech mostly reveals ULL fan activity trolling (and getting laughed away) on the boards of LSU and Tulane.

So, the personal attacks begin. How childish, yet expected.


Since you don't seem to want to my words, here are the words (again) from the ltu-r president at the time of the R3 classification, and how important and meaningful it was. Of course, the quotes needed updating to reflect the impact of moving down to R3:


"The Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching has elevated Louisiana Tech University to its “Research University – high research activity” (RU/H) category, placing it among an exclusive group of approximately 100 research universities in the United States to earn this classification."


"Louisiana Tech joins such distinguished research universities as Auburn University, Mississippi State University, Baylor University, the University of Arkansas and Clemson University."


“For a research institution like Louisiana Tech, the significance of this new classification cannot be overstated."

"It proves that we can effectively compete with some of the nation’s top research institutions for research funding and faculty.”


“Our faculty and staff should be very proud of this accomplishment and the national recognition they have earned for this institution.”


"As a doctorate-granting university, Louisiana Tech is grouped with similar institutions based on factors such as research funding, doctoral graduates, and research staff."


“The steady growth of Louisiana Tech’s research program over the years has been key to changing our classification,” said Dr. Les Guice, vice president for research and development at Louisiana Tech."



A link to the original quotes of the @ruston prez, so stoolR3dog can't accuse me of misquoting anyone:

http://news.latech.edu/2011/01/13/carneg...sification

So, in view of how important it was when ltu-r achieved R2 status......by their own words and deeds......we are back to the original question of "how is moving down to R3 status not a decline in academic standing for them????

That is a very simple, direct question that you (or anyone else from @ruston) have been unable to answer.

It proves if we gained R2 status we obviously didn't jump into the middle of the group. A move up in status is tenuous at best, and the smallest drop can relegate you back to the top of the next group. It isn't rocket science.

As for my example, it seems you "little fellas" somehow figured it out. (not childish or anything, right?)

(02-16-2016 04:21 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  So, in view of how important it was when ltu-r achieved R2 status......by their own words and deeds......we are back to the original question of "how is moving down to R3 status not a decline in academic standing for them????

That is a very simple, direct question that you (or anyone else from @ruston) has been able to answer.

Total research spending ≠ academic standing

Kind of like this

Paying a head football coach a salary of $1 million and cheating for recruits on the ACT ≠ success

That is an easy question that has already been answered. You must have just missed it.

Plus, if it was so important, your administration would surely list it on their Rankings and Recognition page, right?
http://louisiana.edu/about-us/rankings-recognition

(02-16-2016 04:26 PM)zharkins Wrote:  

(02-16-2016 04:21 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  So, in view of how important it was when ltu-r achieved R2 status......by their own words and deeds......we are back to the original question of "how is moving down to R3 status not a decline in academic standing for them????

That is a very simple, direct question that you (or anyone else from @ruston) has been able to answer.

Total research spending ≠ academic standing

Kind of like this

Paying a head football coach a salary of $1 million and cheating for recruits on the ACT ≠ success

That is an easy question that has already been answered. You must have just missed it.

Again.....going by your president's own words, research dollars......are very much an important role in academics, recruiting and retaining both faculty and students, a huge economic impact on the region, etc., etc., etc. It is so puzzling why yiu would want to totally walk away from thise words. Guess he was just making it all up? Or was otherwise just plain wrong?


And bringing up the NCAA issue and calling us cheaters. How perfectly ltu-r. The same folks who yelled 'we've got FB' to their own conference mates, just because they were loosing a mbb game fair and square. Like those fans had any choice in losing FB. Ltu-r is classy alright....just all low class. And just an expected red herring to try to avoid the topic at hand.

If your gonna point out how weak our marketing folks are you will not hear any arguments from us. That's a legacy of the previous admin...he didn't even believe in landscaping, much less marketing. Too much of a penny pincher. We are making great strides to correct both of those issues.

I will make sure they are aware of this oversight.

(02-16-2016 04:32 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  Again.....going by your president's words, research dollars......very much an important role in academics, recruiting and retaking bith faculty and students, an huge economic impact on the region, etc., etc., etc. It is so puzzling why yiu would want to totally walk away from thise words. Guess he was just making it all up? Or as otherwise just plain wrong?

Funny, he didn't mention academics once in the entire article. Guess you were making it up.

(02-16-2016 04:32 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  And bringing up the NCAA issue and calling us cheaters. How perfectly ltu-r. The same folks who yelled 'we've got FB' to their own conference mates, just because they were loosing a mbb game fair and square. Like those fans had any choice in losing FB. Ltu-r is classy alright....just all low class.

Low class...says the ULL fan on the smack board that everyone ignores on a conference board that is not their own.

Students are gonna do stupid chants. They are stupid.

Low class would be a university employee (head football coach) inviting every committed recruit of their opponent on an official visit on the weekend of their football game together. Then going a step further by posting a message board quote in the locker room and knowingly lie by attributing it to a "LA Tech Administrator" ( https://twitter.com/Naamannn/status/5075...79/photo/1 ). Luckily karma works those types of things out.

Now I'm bored. You never told me whether you'd rather go to UT Dallas or step down to lowly SMU, TCU, or Baylor. I think everyone else has it figured out but you, and it seems like a lost cause at this point.

Red herrings. Because you can't answer and won't address the obvious decline in ltu-r's academic standing.

But karma is a university professor basing a large part of his bragging rights in being an R2 classification, only to have that classification lowered within 6 months.

July 2015:



February 2916:




And karma is also incessantly touting 'separation' only to be classified the same as ULM, and lower than UL. See my signature if you need a visual aid.