(02-18-2016 06:03 PM)stodgdog Wrote:  

(02-16-2016 03:16 PM)zharkins Wrote:  I'll bite.

The fact that you equate research $ with academics is interesting.
Carnegie focuses in on research while US News is more of an overall university rating.

In the face of severe budget cuts, it seems Louisiana Tech has prioritized dollars to retain faculty in order to provide an excellent learning environment at the expense of research spending for the time being. By every other measure, (enrollment, average ACT score, starting salaries, etc.) Louisiana Tech is improving.

You hear crickets out of Ruston about it because other than the 2011 press clipping posted, I have never heard or seen it used in any Louisiana Tech materials before, probably because they knew it was unsustainable given the funding environment in the state.

I also find it interesting that ULL is missing from the graphic that shows all those top public universities in both classifications.

Based on the 2014 federal research funding data (the latest) our http://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/datatables/herd...ST_22.html

LSU #108 $94.7 million, $3,110/student
ULL #260 $10.7 million, $569/student
La Tech #287 $7.7 million, $683/student
ULM # 580 $0.5 million, $59/student

It's good to try to give an answer to the questions asked. However, no answer will satisfy, no matter how accurate or informative. You are trying to make reasonable and logical responses, which is foreign to some.

At no point did he give one factual bit of evidence to disprove that the drop in CC does not indicate a decline in academics.

(02-16-2016 04:01 PM)zharkins Wrote:  Ok, I'll bite again with a game. You can go to the college of your choice for free...do you choose...

Texas Tech or Dartmouth
UNT or SMU
UT - Dallas or TCU
UT Arlington or Baylor
Wayne State or Wake Forest

If you picked any of the second schools, you picked the worst school by your methodology.

Carnegie classification is by total research dollars, so large schools will always have an advantage. To equate total research dollars as the "indisputable benchmark" of academics is stupid, but you are a ULL fan so I can understand why that might be confusing.

I really don't blame you for posting here though. A cursory search of Carnegie and Louisiana Tech mostly reveals ULL fan activity trolling (and getting laughed away) on the boards of LSU and Tulane.

You've got to remember that the Cajuns are guilty of academic fraud and seem to think it is no big deal since they got off with a slap on the wrist

(02-18-2016 09:14 PM)stodgdog Wrote:  

(02-16-2016 04:01 PM)zharkins Wrote:  Ok, I'll bite again with a game. You can go to the college of your choice for free...do you choose...

Texas Tech or Dartmouth
UNT or SMU
UT - Dallas or TCU
UT Arlington or Baylor
Wayne State or Wake Forest

If you picked any of the second schools, you picked the worst school by your methodology.

Carnegie classification is by total research dollars, so large schools will always have an advantage. To equate total research dollars as the "indisputable benchmark" of academics is stupid, but you are a ULL fan so I can understand why that might be confusing.

I really don't blame you for posting here though. A cursory search of Carnegie and Louisiana Tech mostly reveals ULL fan activity trolling (and getting laughed away) on the boards of LSU and Tulane.

You've got to remember that the Cajuns are guilty of academic fraud and seem to think it is no big deal since they got off with a slap on the wrist

We had a rogue coach that did things he should not have and that we should have stopped. We are paying a big penalty for that, but we also actually received kudos from the NCAA folks on how well we handled the situation, and they also exnorated both the admin and head coach.

Your very lame attempt at character assassination is based on nothing but your seemingly unending hate and jealousy of us.....but speaks volumes about your lack of ethics and morals.

"The panel commends the institution for its level of cooperation in this case. It expended substantial institutional resources to expedite a thorough and fair collection and disclosure of information in the case and the institution's president and athletics compliance director both personally invested substantial time and attention to the details of the investigation.

The case did not involve a failure to monitor or a lack of institutional control. There was also no allegation that the head coach lacked control in this case.

In short, the institution's exemplary cooperation in this case was a model for the kind of relationship and cooperation member institutions should strive for in the infractions process."

(02-18-2016 07:50 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  At no point did he give one factual bit of evidence to disprove that the drop in CC does not indicate a decline in academics.

How about this bit. Carnegie moved us back down to R3, but their analysis is based on the academic year 2013-2014. USNWR ranked us 201 based on that same data. The latest rankings, based on 2014-2015, we moved up to 199. So we already know for certain that it did not affect our USNWR Tier 1 status. Now, I know you consider research dollars to be the only indicator of academic standing, and not USNWR's broad based approach.

(02-19-2016 12:16 AM)zharkins Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 07:50 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  At no point did he give one factual bit of evidence to disprove that the drop in CC does not indicate a decline in academics.

How about this bit. Carnegie moved us back down to R3, but their analysis is based on the academic year 2013-2014. USNWR ranked us 201 based on that same data. The latest rankings, based on 2014-2015, we moved up to 199. So we already know for certain that it did not affect our USNWR Tier 1 status. Now, I know you consider research dollars to be the only indicator of academic standing, and not USNWR's broad based approach.

Well you know, you are absolutely right: The CC means nothing. ltur and its fans have nothing whatsoever to be concerned of about this.

So sit back and enjoy being classified on the same level as ULM. And congrats to them: they have worked very hard to get there, doing a lot more with a lot less.

Carry on.

(02-19-2016 08:44 AM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  Well you know, you are absolutely right: The CC means nothing. ltur and its fans have nothing whatsoever to be concerned of about this.

So sit back and enjoy being classified on the same level as ULM. And congrats to them: they have worked very hard to get there, doing a lot more with a lot less.

Carry on.

The good news is that we control our own destiny and 5 years from now, he have a good chance to move back up of that is where our leadership decides to invest our resources.

As for you guys, you'll still be stuck in the Sun Belt with ULM until they decide to drop football.

#sunbelt4eva

(02-19-2016 09:42 AM)zharkins Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 08:44 AM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  Well you know, you are absolutely right: The CC means nothing. ltur and its fans have nothing whatsoever to be concerned of about this.

So sit back and enjoy being classified on the same level as ULM. And congrats to them: they have worked very hard to get there, doing a lot more with a lot less.

Carry on.

The good news is that we control our own destiny and 5 years from now, he have a good chance to move back up of that is where our leadership decides to invest our resources.

As for you guys, you'll still be stuck in the Sun Belt with ULM until they decide to drop football.

#sunbelt4eva

I guess they didn't consider getting research money important these last five years. Despite all of their pronouncements to the contrary. And in contrast to any other Ph.D. granting, research university in this country.

And as a La tax payer I sure hope your admin would choose to invest more in your academics instead of routing so much of my tax dollars to prop up your athletic programs....when your own fan base fails to do so.

But again, I'm glad that you and your admin don't seem worried at all about this. We say 'go for it!"

We are enjoying the 'separation,' lol.

And since this is your board, I'll let you have the last word. So go ahead and make another SBC joke, lol.

(02-19-2016 10:25 AM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  I guess they didn't consider getting research money important these last five years. Despite all of their pronouncements to the contrary. And in contrast to any other Ph.D. granting, research university in this country.

And as a La tax payer I sure hope your admin would choose to invest more in your academics instead of routing so much of my tax dollars to prop up your athletic programs....when your own fan base fails to do so.

Thanks. I appreciate having the last word.

ULL Research Spending
$57MM in 08-09
$49MM in 13-14 (latest year of data)
A 14% decrease - kinda headed the wrong way. Maybe you should be worried about your own university's focus.

Athletics spending
Last year ULL had $36,000 less in direct institutional support than Tech on their LLA report. And you are throwing stones? Then again everyone accounts for it differently. People much smarter than me did more research and this is what they came up with after lots of digging.

http://theadvocate.com/news/14345658-86/...udget-cuts



Seems like coming from such a prestigious research university, you'd know how to research.

(02-19-2016 11:59 AM)zharkins Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 10:25 AM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  I guess they didn't consider getting research money important these last five years. Despite all of their pronouncements to the contrary. And in contrast to any other Ph.D. granting, research university in this country.

And as a La tax payer I sure hope your admin would choose to invest more in your academics instead of routing so much of my tax dollars to prop up your athletic programs....when your own fan base fails to do so.

Thanks. I appreciate having the last word.

ULL Research Spending
$57MM in 08-09
$49MM in 13-14 (latest year of data)
A 14% decrease - kinda headed the wrong way. Maybe you should be worried about your own university's focus.

Athletics spending
Last year ULL had $36,000 less in direct institutional support than Tech on their LLA report. And you are throwing stones? Then again everyone accounts for it differently. People much smarter than me did more research and this is what they came up with after lots of digging.

http://theadvocate.com/news/14345658-86/...udget-cuts



Seems like coming from such a prestigious research university, you'd know how to research.

Game. Set. Match.

/mic drop

And thanks LACajunsFan for going back after this thread was settled and doling out 4 negative reviews over the course of a minute. Have to admit I was surprised it took you that long. If you can't win an argument, might as well key someone's car just to be a goob.

(02-28-2016 12:32 AM)zharkins Wrote:  And thanks LACajunsFan for going back after this thread was settled and doling out 4 negative reviews over the course of a minute. Have to admit I was surprised it took you that long. If you can't win an argument, might as well key someone's car just to be a goob.

First: there aren't any published rules on rep giving that I can find.
Second: the behavior you are complaining about is exactly what I have been receiving from the ltur crowd (specifically 2 or 3) for some time now. So without any other guidance, I was only emulating the behavior I was experiencing.....since it was happening unchecked the only reasonable thing to assume was that it is allowed.

(02-28-2016 12:32 AM)zharkins Wrote:  And thanks LACajunsFan for going back after this thread was settled and doling out 4 negative reviews over the course of a minute. Have to admit I was surprised it took you that long. If you can't win an argument, might as well key someone's car just to be a goob.

So, this Cajun idiot pretty much demands a response. You give him informative and knowledgeable answers to all his questions and he doesn't accept them. The guy doesn't even know what he is talking about, so he accuses others of lying. For some reason, he is obsessed with Louisiana Tech and CUSA.

He also has a history of altering other people's posts and quoting them. When asked why he would do that, he somehow blames his behavior on BBB.

The Cajuns certainly discount or call lies research that is unfavorable, e.g., the Forbes research that concluded Lafayette to be the ninth least educated city in the US.