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(02-18-2016 11:38 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
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(02-18-2016 09:06 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  No matter the conference affiliation, playing LSU, Texas, UH, Stanford, Baylor, and Pitt with regularity is a great way to get our team beat up and injured every year. Quickly.

Football is violent. Any evidence that playing a good team leads to more injuries?

How about personal experience? Does that count?

I believe that is called anectdotal evidence. Or perhaps confirmation bias.

Bingo.

Until we have the facts let's avoid statements like this. This is how statements like "our opponents are so much bigger" (which is completely false and has been shown time and time again) start and then get regurgitated by people with reading comprehension issues like Afflicted.

I'm with you that we should leave evidenceless or "eye-ball" comments out of these conversations, but it has not been proven, time and time again that our opponents do not out athlete us. I think it was just the Oline and WRs for Western Kentucky this year that this was done.
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(02-18-2016 11:38 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 10:26 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 10:02 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 09:44 PM)temchugh Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 09:06 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  No matter the conference affiliation, playing LSU, Texas, UH, Stanford, Baylor, and Pitt with regularity is a great way to get our team beat up and injured every year. Quickly.

Football is violent. Any evidence that playing a good team leads to more injuries?

How about personal experience? Does that count?

I believe that is called anectdotal evidence. Or perhaps confirmation bias.

Bingo.

Until we have the facts let's avoid statements like this. This is how statements like "our opponents are so much bigger" (which is completely false and has been shown time and time again) start and then get regurgitated by people with reading comprehension issues like Afflicted.

There you go again with the personal attacks. Have fun with that.
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(02-19-2016 07:33 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 11:38 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 10:26 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 10:02 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 09:44 PM)temchugh Wrote:  Football is violent. Any evidence that playing a good team leads to more injuries?

How about personal experience? Does that count?

I believe that is called anectdotal evidence. Or perhaps confirmation bias.

Bingo.

Until we have the facts let's avoid statements like this. This is how statements like "our opponents are so much bigger" (which is completely false and has been shown time and time again) start and then get regurgitated by people with reading comprehension issues like Afflicted.

I'm with you that we should leave evidenceless or "eye-ball" comments out of these conversations, but it has not been proven, time and time again that our opponents do not out athlete us. I think it was just the Oline and WRs for Western Kentucky this year that this was done.

But isn't it obvious that we play with inferior athletes when going against P5 competition and the very top CUSA schools (WKU, Marshall, LTU) ? I mean, I can see claerly that their athletes have more ability than ours. It really isn't as obvious to you guys as it is to me? Think about it. If our recruiting classes are ranked between 80 and 126, isn't it just common sense that we'll get pushed around by top competition? What am I missing? It's for this very same reason that we rarely beat Texas, Texas A&M, and Arkansas when we were in the SWC. Nothing has changed.
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(02-19-2016 10:45 AM)Afflicted Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 07:33 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 11:38 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 10:26 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(02-18-2016 10:02 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  How about personal experience? Does that count?

I believe that is called anectdotal evidence. Or perhaps confirmation bias.

Bingo.

Until we have the facts let's avoid statements like this. This is how statements like "our opponents are so much bigger" (which is completely false and has been shown time and time again) start and then get regurgitated by people with reading comprehension issues like Afflicted.

I'm with you that we should leave evidenceless or "eye-ball" comments out of these conversations, but it has not been proven, time and time again that our opponents do not out athlete us. I think it was just the Oline and WRs for Western Kentucky this year that this was done.

But isn't it obvious that we play with inferior athletes when going against P5 competition and the very top CUSA schools (WKU, Marshall, LTU) ? I mean, I can see claerly that their athletes have more ability than ours. It really isn't as obvious to you guys as it is to me? Think about it. If our recruiting classes are ranked between 80 and 126, isn't it just common sense that we'll get pushed around by top competition? What am I missing?

Not every school with those recruiting class rankings gets pushed around by top competition as easily/much as we do
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(02-19-2016 10:45 AM)Afflicted Wrote:  But isn't it obvious that we play with inferior athletes when going against P5 competition and the very top CUSA schools (WKU, Marshall, LTU) ? I mean, I can see claerly that their athletes have more ability than ours. It really isn't as obvious to you guys as it is to me? Think about it. If our recruiting classes are ranked between 80 and 126, isn't it just common sense that we'll get pushed around by top competition? What am I missing?

Some of the facts? As I noted here, Rice had the #5 recruiting class in CUSA in 2012, the #2 class in 2013, and the #3 class in 2014. There is no reason for Rice to be getting out-athleted within CUSA. The reason opposing WR's run by our safeties isn't athleticism, its that Rice's safeties appear to be placing too much emphasis on run support and don't get their hips flipped around early enough to run in coverage, so they are 1-2 steps behind the receiver.

To the extent that Rice is out-athleted by better P-5 teams, obviously that is true. But the gap has narrowed substantially from what it was 10 or even 5 years ago. I think the difference is more noticeable on special teams than anywhere else. There are obviously some athletic mismatches, and those do aggregate. But as noted by others, other teams are able to overcome such gaps better than Rice has done. Do not take this to mean that I think Rice should have beaten Baylor in 2015 or should do it in 2016 ... but the gap in athleticism doesn't fully explain Rice being as uncompetitive as the team has been against some of the better P-5 teams.
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(02-19-2016 11:20 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 10:45 AM)Afflicted Wrote:  But isn't it obvious that we play with inferior athletes when going against P5 competition and the very top CUSA schools (WKU, Marshall, LTU) ? I mean, I can see claerly that their athletes have more ability than ours. It really isn't as obvious to you guys as it is to me? Think about it. If our recruiting classes are ranked between 80 and 126, isn't it just common sense that we'll get pushed around by top competition? What am I missing?

Some of the facts? As I noted here, Rice had the #5 recruiting class in CUSA in 2012, the #2 class in 2013, and the #3 class in 2014. There is no reason for Rice to be getting out-athleted within CUSA. The reason opposing WR's run by our safeties isn't athleticism, its that Rice's safeties appear to be placing too much emphasis on run support and don't get their hips flipped around early enough to run in coverage, so they are 1-2 steps behind the receiver.

To the extent that Rice is out-athleted by better P-5 teams, obviously that is true. But the gap has narrowed substantially from what it was 10 or even 5 years ago. I think the difference is more noticeable on special teams than anywhere else. There are obviously some athletic mismatches, and those do aggregate. But as noted by others, other teams are able to overcome such gaps better than Rice has done. Do not take this to mean that I think Rice should have beaten Baylor in 2015 or should do it in 2016 ... but the gap in athleticism doesn't fully explain Rice being as uncompetitive as the team has been against some of the better P-5 teams.

Being number 2, 3, or 5 in recruiting within CUSA isn't exactly anything to thump your chest about. And other small schools do overcome the shortcomings in recruiting, but I'm sure they aren't as small as Rice, and they don't play within a G5. Tulsa, SMU, and Tulane all have similar problems as Rice.
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(02-19-2016 10:45 AM)Afflicted Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 11:20 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 11:31 AM)Afflicted Wrote:  But isn't it obvious that we play with inferior athletes when going against ... the very top CUSA schools (WKU, Marshall, LTU)? I mean, I can see claerly that their athletes have more ability than ours. It really isn't as obvious to you guys as it is to me? Think about it. If our recruiting classes are ranked between 80 and 126, isn't it just common sense that we'll get pushed around by top competition? What am I missing?

Some of the facts? As I noted here, Rice had the #5 recruiting class in CUSA in 2012, the #2 class in 2013, and the #3 class in 2014. There is no reason for Rice to be getting out-athleted within CUSA.

Being number 2, 3, or 5 in recruiting within CUSA isn't exactly anything to thump your chest about. And other small schools do overcome the shortcomings in recruiting, but I'm sure they aren't as small as Rice, and they don't play within a G5. Tulsa, SMU, and Tulane all have similar problems as Rice.

I wasn't thumping my chest or Rice's chest. You opined that Rice was getting out-athleted by the better teams in CUSA (WKU, Marshall, LT). I pointed out that Rice, up until last year, was basically on par with them in recruiting rankings. This means to me that Rice shouldn't be getting out-athleted by "the very top CUSA schools" as you put it. Other top teams in CUSA do not have across-the-board better athletes then Rice by any objective measure that I have seen. I do not rely on anyone's subjective observations for such a sweeping comment (including mine own, prescious).

Those rankings are looking at the average rating per recruit in each class on 247sports:
2014 - Rice was behind Marshall, essentially tied with LaTech, and ahead of WKU and So. Miss.
2013 - Marshall again in 1st and Rice narrowly ahead of So. Miss, but definitely ahead of LaTech
2012 - Rice behind So. Miss and WKU, but basically tied with LaTech and Marshall
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(02-19-2016 11:20 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 10:45 AM)Afflicted Wrote:  But isn't it obvious that we play with inferior athletes when going against P5 competition and the very top CUSA schools (WKU, Marshall, LTU) ? I mean, I can see claerly that their athletes have more ability than ours. It really isn't as obvious to you guys as it is to me? Think about it. If our recruiting classes are ranked between 80 and 126, isn't it just common sense that we'll get pushed around by top competition? What am I missing?

Some of the facts? As I noted here, Rice had the #5 recruiting class in CUSA in 2012, the #2 class in 2013, and the #3 class in 2014. There is no reason for Rice to be getting out-athleted within CUSA. The reason opposing WR's run by our safeties isn't athleticism, its that Rice's safeties appear to be placing too much emphasis on run support and don't get their hips flipped around early enough to run in coverage, so they are 1-2 steps behind the receiver.

To the extent that Rice is out-athleted by better P-5 teams, obviously that is true. But the gap has narrowed substantially from what it was 10 or even 5 years ago. I think the difference is more noticeable on special teams than anywhere else. There are obviously some athletic mismatches, and those do aggregate. But as noted by others, other teams are able to overcome such gaps better than Rice has done. Do not take this to mean that I think Rice should have beaten Baylor in 2015 or should do it in 2016 ... but the gap in athleticism doesn't fully explain Rice being as uncompetitive as the team has been against some of the better P-5 teams.

Agreed. FCS Lamar put up a much better fight against Baylor than we did. It goes so much deeper than just athleticism.

The excuse making by a few here is incredible.
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(02-19-2016 11:49 AM)Antarius Wrote:  Agreed. FCS Lamar put up a much better fight against Baylor than we did. It goes so much deeper than just athleticism.

The excuse making by a few here is incredible.

I don't really care about Afflicted's excuse-making and he has a different perspective and vision for what Rice athletics can be then many of us (which I understand). I just don't want anyone else buying into his world-view, where he cheers for Rice but has lower aspirations.

I respect RiceOwl53's perspective and contributions, but his comment was aimed specifically at multiple games against very good P5 teams, so my comments were not at all directed toward him. He specifically suggested playing a more manageable P5 team like Vandy, rather than multiple games against elite P5 teams like Stanford and Baylor. I agree in theory ... but every G5 team would love to schedule a P5 like Vandy. Vandy doesn't need to play Rice at all, they need to win as many of their OOC games as they can and hope to scrape out a couple SEC wins.
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(02-19-2016 11:49 AM)Antarius Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 11:20 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 10:45 AM)Afflicted Wrote:  But isn't it obvious that we play with inferior athletes when going against P5 competition and the very top CUSA schools (WKU, Marshall, LTU) ? I mean, I can see claerly that their athletes have more ability than ours. It really isn't as obvious to you guys as it is to me? Think about it. If our recruiting classes are ranked between 80 and 126, isn't it just common sense that we'll get pushed around by top competition? What am I missing?

Some of the facts? As I noted here, Rice had the #5 recruiting class in CUSA in 2012, the #2 class in 2013, and the #3 class in 2014. There is no reason for Rice to be getting out-athleted within CUSA. The reason opposing WR's run by our safeties isn't athleticism, its that Rice's safeties appear to be placing too much emphasis on run support and don't get their hips flipped around early enough to run in coverage, so they are 1-2 steps behind the receiver.

To the extent that Rice is out-athleted by better P-5 teams, obviously that is true. But the gap has narrowed substantially from what it was 10 or even 5 years ago. I think the difference is more noticeable on special teams than anywhere else. There are obviously some athletic mismatches, and those do aggregate. But as noted by others, other teams are able to overcome such gaps better than Rice has done. Do not take this to mean that I think Rice should have beaten Baylor in 2015 or should do it in 2016 ... but the gap in athleticism doesn't fully explain Rice being as uncompetitive as the team has been against some of the better P-5 teams.

Agreed. FCS Lamar put up a much better fight against Baylor than we did. It goes so much deeper than just athleticism.

The excuse making by a few here is incredible.

It does go much deeper than athleticism, but it isn't all Bailiff's fault, as you often suggest. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons Rice fights an incredibly difficult uphill battle in football, but those reasons are numerous and diverse. Insurmountable? No.
My problem is with the folks here (not just you Antarius) who continually dump on this coaching staff. A lot of you guys have tunnel vision and selective hearing. It's not fair. Be evenhanded. We all know that Rice has had better coaches in the past. Fred Goldsmith had a couple of good teams, as did Hatfield, but neither one of those coaches set the world on fire with their successes at Rice either.

And to touch on something mrbig just mentioned, my expectations for Rice football are not low, they're realistic. I'm a realist, sometimes to my detriment. I see the challenges and I have empathy for the coaches. It's a very difficult environment in which to win consistently. Rice will always have more losing seasons than it has 10-win seasons. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that will always be the case, and it sucks.

Anyway, the article is fair and balanced, unlike Fox News. It's a great read and I know I'll read it again.
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Just a theory based on how we always have the following weaknesses that these other teams don't consistently have - few deep threat WR's, few really fast slot types, weakness defending the deep ball on defense, and lack of depth at the D-line. It's a problem common in academic schools. UH rarely has these problems, their problems are elsewhere. Even Stanford didn't get many explosive athletes until recently. Their offense is not based on speed. Same with Northwesterm, Duke, Vandy. They have to win in other ways, usually with disciplined smart football. Doesn't mean they have lesser recruits, just less athletic depth than schools with little or no academic restrictions to recruiting. Of course, these examples are P5 schools that have enough athleticism on defense to do well vs anybody. But I see a difference in speed, more than size, when I compare Vandy's offense to other SEC schools, for example. The depth in speed/athleticism is different at Rice than at WKU or Marshall no matter how well we recruit. It's in our DNA. Nobody should be surprised by this. There are years and years of evidence at Rice, since way before DB. I don't think San Jose St had better recruits than Rice, necessarily, but they hung 60+ on us because they had WR's we couldn't cover. Again, just a theory.
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In 2013, the Rice Offense pushed over, ran around, and ran through a long list of opponents. That came to a stop drastically against Miss State. Most of those guys were seniors: e.g., Charles Ross, Taylor McHargue, and our own RiceOwl53. Think about how we ran over Texas A&M in 2013. Why didn't we completely run over Texas in 2010 with those same players (RiceOwl53 being the exception)? Strength and Conditioning. It's been stated ad nauseum, but we have to do a good job of growing players. Charles Ross came in at about 6-1 and 195lbs. By the time he was a Senior, he was pushing 235lbs. Caleb Williams started as a Redshirt Freshman in 2012: at about 280lbs. Rice under Bailiff does not often sign players who are physically ready to play. And isn't that a part of the recruiting service's evaluation? Heck, Phillip Gaines started as 165lb true freshman.

Point is, our S&C needs to be a ground breaking program that fosters the maximization of strength, quickness, speed, endurance, and flexibility, and minimizes risks for injury. We seemed to have that with Coach K. He left just before the start of the 2013 season.
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(02-19-2016 12:43 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  In 2013, the Rice Offense pushed over, ran around, and ran through a long list of opponents. That came to a stop drastically against Miss State. Most of those guys were seniors: e.g., Charles Ross, Taylor McHargue, and our own RiceOwl53. Think about how we ran over Texas A&M in 2013. Why didn't we completely run over Texas in 2010 with those same players (RiceOwl53 being the exception)? Strength and Conditioning. It's been stated ad nauseum, but we have to do a good job of growing players. Charles Ross came in at about 6-1 and 195lbs. By the time he was a Senior, he was pushing 235lbs. Caleb Williams started as a Redshirt Freshman in 2012: at about 280lbs. Rice under Bailiff does not often sign players who are physically ready to play. And isn't that a part of the recruiting service's evaluation? Heck, Phillip Gaines started as 165lb true freshman.

Point is, our S&C needs to be a ground breaking program that fosters the maximization of strength, quickness, speed, endurance, and flexibility, and minimizes risks for injury. We seemed to have that with Coach K. He left just before the start of the 2013 season.

I'm glad I am not the only one who thinks our S&C is a significant contribution to our recent declines.
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(02-19-2016 12:52 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 12:43 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  In 2013, the Rice Offense pushed over, ran around, and ran through a long list of opponents. That came to a stop drastically against Miss State. Most of those guys were seniors: e.g., Charles Ross, Taylor McHargue, and our own RiceOwl53. Think about how we ran over Texas A&M in 2013. Why didn't we completely run over Texas in 2010 with those same players (RiceOwl53 being the exception)? Strength and Conditioning. It's been stated ad nauseum, but we have to do a good job of growing players. Charles Ross came in at about 6-1 and 195lbs. By the time he was a Senior, he was pushing 235lbs. Caleb Williams started as a Redshirt Freshman in 2012: at about 280lbs. Rice under Bailiff does not often sign players who are physically ready to play. And isn't that a part of the recruiting service's evaluation? Heck, Phillip Gaines started as 165lb true freshman.

Point is, our S&C needs to be a ground breaking program that fosters the maximization of strength, quickness, speed, endurance, and flexibility, and minimizes risks for injury. We seemed to have that with Coach K. He left just before the start of the 2013 season.

I'm glad I am not the only one who thinks our S&C is a significant contribution to our recent declines.

And this goes to our coaching salaries. You usually do get what you pay for.
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(02-19-2016 12:43 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  Think about how we ran over Texas A&M in 2013. Why didn't we completely run over Texas in 2010 with those same players (RiceOwl53 being the exception)? Strength and Conditioning.

I think the more obvious explanation is that 2013 A&M was one of the 15 worst teams in all of FBS against the rush, and was playing without 6 defensive starters against us due to suspension, while 2010 Texas fielded a credible defense and crowded the LOS against us on every non-obvious passing down.
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(02-19-2016 12:43 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  In 2013, the Rice Offense pushed over, ran around, and ran through a long list of opponents. That came to a stop drastically against Miss State. Most of those guys were seniors: e.g., Charles Ross, Taylor McHargue, and our own RiceOwl53. Think about how we ran over Texas A&M in 2013. Why didn't we completely run over Texas in 2010 with those same players (RiceOwl53 being the exception)? Strength and Conditioning. It's been stated ad nauseum, but we have to do a good job of growing players. Charles Ross came in at about 6-1 and 195lbs. By the time he was a Senior, he was pushing 235lbs. Caleb Williams started as a Redshirt Freshman in 2012: at about 280lbs. Rice under Bailiff does not often sign players who are physically ready to play. And isn't that a part of the recruiting service's evaluation? Heck, Phillip Gaines started as 165lb true freshman.

Point is, our S&C needs to be a ground breaking program that fosters the maximization of strength, quickness, speed, endurance, and flexibility, and minimizes risks for injury. We seemed to have that with Coach K. He left just before the start of the 2013 season.

We lost 52-31. Not sure what you mean by "we ran over Texas A&M". Other than that we beat Kansas by 9, FAU by 4, UTSA by 6, UAB by 3 and Tulane by 4.

With the exception of UNM, UTEP, Tulane and Marshall, 2013 wasn't a season where we really ran over anyone else.
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(02-19-2016 01:17 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 12:52 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 12:43 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  In 2013, the Rice Offense pushed over, ran around, and ran through a long list of opponents. That came to a stop drastically against Miss State. Most of those guys were seniors: e.g., Charles Ross, Taylor McHargue, and our own RiceOwl53. Think about how we ran over Texas A&M in 2013. Why didn't we completely run over Texas in 2010 with those same players (RiceOwl53 being the exception)? Strength and Conditioning. It's been stated ad nauseum, but we have to do a good job of growing players. Charles Ross came in at about 6-1 and 195lbs. By the time he was a Senior, he was pushing 235lbs. Caleb Williams started as a Redshirt Freshman in 2012: at about 280lbs. Rice under Bailiff does not often sign players who are physically ready to play. And isn't that a part of the recruiting service's evaluation? Heck, Phillip Gaines started as 165lb true freshman.

Point is, our S&C needs to be a ground breaking program that fosters the maximization of strength, quickness, speed, endurance, and flexibility, and minimizes risks for injury. We seemed to have that with Coach K. He left just before the start of the 2013 season.

I'm glad I am not the only one who thinks our S&C is a significant contribution to our recent declines.

And this goes to our coaching salaries. You usually do get what you pay for.

Bailiff's base salary is the highest in C-USA.
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(02-19-2016 01:42 PM)At Ease Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 12:43 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  Think about how we ran over Texas A&M in 2013. Why didn't we completely run over Texas in 2010 with those same players (RiceOwl53 being the exception)? Strength and Conditioning.

I think the more obvious explanation is that 2013 A&M was one of the 15 worst teams in all of FBS against the rush, and was playing without 6 defensive starters against us due to suspension, while 2010 Texas fielded a credible defense and crowded the LOS against us on every non-obvious passing down.

Yes, except we ran over just about everyone in 2013. Our lowest output was against Miss State (61 yards) and our best output was against LaTech (415 yards). Tulane had a very underrated defense in 2013 and they held us to 124 yards.

Against Texas in 2010, we had 46 rushing attempts for 197 yards. Besides, Texas wasn't all that great in 2010 either going 5-7. Their total offense in 2010 was 4590 (2784 Pass/1806 Rush) and that really let them down as their defense (as you said) was good for 3602 Total yards.

We had over 306 yards rushing against A&M. To be fair, A&M did have 6 starters missing, but our total yards was only the 6th highest (1. Duke 661, 2. Auburn 617, 3. Alabama 568, 4. Miss State 556, 5. LSU 517, 6. Rice 506) and we posted the third highest rushing total (1. Auburn 379, 2. LSU 324, 3. Rice 306) on the Aggie defense that year.

Here is a brief breakdown of the Rice Offense from 2010 to 2015:

2010 Rush 1742 / Pass 3644 / Total 5386

2011 Rush 1606 / Pass 2079 / Total 3685

2012 Rush 2623 / Pass 2933 / Total 5556

2013 Rush 3183 / Pass 2495 / Total 5678

2014 Rush 2181 / Pass 3009 / Total 5190

2015 Rush 2137 / Pass 2691 / Total 4828

2013 also happened to be Reagan's last year as OC after he took over in 2011. Speaking of, he took over as the OC at Pennsylvania last year. In 2013, Penn had 3392 total yards rushing for 1284 yards and passing for 2108 yards. In 2014, Penn had 3893 total yards rushing for 1150 yards and passing for 2743 yards. In 2015, Penn had 4121 total yards rushing for 1692 yards and passing for 2429 yards. They also won 7 games last year after having endured consecutive losing seasons going back to 2012.

Whatever system Reagan installed, it was very effective. I think that a run based offense with physically mature players has brought about our best productivity. We need to get our S&C house in order. A good S&C program demonstrates its value in the ability to take a Charles Ross from 6-1/195lb freshman to a 6-1/238lb beast of a running back. A great S&C program demonstrates its value in the ability to keep your players healthy and thus not have to rely on playing a plethora of inexperienced freshmen. We saw a rash of injuries in 2014 and 2015. You can recruit all the 3 and 4 stars players you want, but if you are not developing them so that they can physically be ready to play, then you are toast.

I have to be careful here. My evidence is circumstantial at best. In 2012, our most significant injury was Luke Wilson. In 2013, it was Cam Nwosu with Mouchantaf going down in LaTech game.
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(02-19-2016 03:07 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 01:17 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 12:52 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 12:43 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  In 2013, the Rice Offense pushed over, ran around, and ran through a long list of opponents. That came to a stop drastically against Miss State. Most of those guys were seniors: e.g., Charles Ross, Taylor McHargue, and our own RiceOwl53. Think about how we ran over Texas A&M in 2013. Why didn't we completely run over Texas in 2010 with those same players (RiceOwl53 being the exception)? Strength and Conditioning. It's been stated ad nauseum, but we have to do a good job of growing players. Charles Ross came in at about 6-1 and 195lbs. By the time he was a Senior, he was pushing 235lbs. Caleb Williams started as a Redshirt Freshman in 2012: at about 280lbs. Rice under Bailiff does not often sign players who are physically ready to play. And isn't that a part of the recruiting service's evaluation? Heck, Phillip Gaines started as 165lb true freshman.

Point is, our S&C needs to be a ground breaking program that fosters the maximization of strength, quickness, speed, endurance, and flexibility, and minimizes risks for injury. We seemed to have that with Coach K. He left just before the start of the 2013 season.

I'm glad I am not the only one who thinks our S&C is a significant contribution to our recent declines.

And this goes to our coaching salaries. You usually do get what you pay for.

Bailiff's base salary is the highest in C-USA.

If true, that's a great salary for CUSA coach. I wonder about his assistants' salaries.
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(02-19-2016 02:45 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(02-19-2016 12:43 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  In 2013, the Rice Offense pushed over, ran around, and ran through a long list of opponents. That came to a stop drastically against Miss State. Most of those guys were seniors: e.g., Charles Ross, Taylor McHargue, and our own RiceOwl53. Think about how we ran over Texas A&M in 2013. Why didn't we completely run over Texas in 2010 with those same players (RiceOwl53 being the exception)? Strength and Conditioning. It's been stated ad nauseum, but we have to do a good job of growing players. Charles Ross came in at about 6-1 and 195lbs. By the time he was a Senior, he was pushing 235lbs. Caleb Williams started as a Redshirt Freshman in 2012: at about 280lbs. Rice under Bailiff does not often sign players who are physically ready to play. And isn't that a part of the recruiting service's evaluation? Heck, Phillip Gaines started as 165lb true freshman.

Point is, our S&C needs to be a ground breaking program that fosters the maximization of strength, quickness, speed, endurance, and flexibility, and minimizes risks for injury. We seemed to have that with Coach K. He left just before the start of the 2013 season.

We lost 52-31. Not sure what you mean by "we ran over Texas A&M". Other than that we beat Kansas by 9, FAU by 4, UTSA by 6, UAB by 3 and Tulane by 4.

With the exception of UNM, UTEP, Tulane and Marshall, 2013 wasn't a season where we really ran over anyone else.

We had 300+ on the ground against A&M. That's running over a team.Even though we lost against A&M, it was a lot of fun pushing around guys from the SEC. Additionally we were like #12 or #13 in the nation in rushing offense. I am extremely proud of that accomplishment considering I had a part in it.

Miss State seemed to have learned the lesson. Put 8 guys in the box and match up. Because they COULD OUT-ATHLETE us. It's asinine saying Rice isn't out-athleted by a lot of opponents.

Dismissing a former player's opinions as "anecdotal evidence" is a bunch of BS. I started every game for Rice while I was there. I could count on one hand how many times we had the better athletes.

To those talking about the recruiting classes, that whole process is extremely flawed. Outside of the Top 20 it's a complete crap shoot. No one knows what they are going to get. I've seen guys that get offers from 100 D-1 FBS schools sit the bench and others that get 1 D-1 FBS offer be all-conference.

No wonder recent former players never get on here. It's a lot of ignorance and when you try to enlighten, you get shot down. Seriously, almost every one of my friends don't want to open accounts because they read this and just get angry, mainly because of those who think they know what's going on, but barely know what inside zone or a choice route is.
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