(02-12-2016 04:30 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:21 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:19 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:17 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  I've been to NYC and Central Park many times - are you really comparing Central Park and Shelby farms?

Talk about a reach...

then don't move in...project will go on without ya :-)

So you're in favor of all development? I guess you would have been against citizens to preserve Overton park too.

I'm all for private development around Overton Park...I don't see what that has to do with the citizens to preserve Overton park...unless you're trying to compare private development around the park, to a public development that would have gone through the park...which I think you are.

My point has to do with smart development vs. development.

You seem to be for any and all development.

Memphis is a city that has realized in recent years that they let too much unchecked development go on - and that is why you now have plans for areas like the medical district. It used to be that all development in the city was seen as good because it grew the immediate tax base without consideration of long term effects. That still exists to a degree but the city is doing a much better job of taking into consideration the long term effect of development.

The city is heavily involved in what will bring young, smart educated people to the city. There are studies that have been done on this and city leadership heavily considers it.

This is the type of development that young folks will be attracted too. Low-maintenance housing, in a mixed-use development, across the street from one of the largest parks in the country. Rent wont be that cheap for this apartment.

I used to live in the apartments down the street near the dog park. They were $950/month for a 600/sq.ft 1 bed room, 6 years ago. No telling what they are now, but that complex has held up well and is in a great location.

(02-12-2016 04:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 12:32 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 01:41 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I live near there and this is a bad idea. The people behind this project are trying to get the land rezoned to make this deal. Around here no body is happy about it. It's not a done deal yet but maybe it is. Would you want this in your back yard?

they own the land, and should do what they like with it...why wouldn't you want apartments that will command the highest price per square foot in the area?

whaaaaa! traffic whaaaaa!...guess what? the Shelby Farms Parkway is actually going to happen, and I hope this development comes to pass with it.

it's the same "not in my back yard" crap that tried to stop projects like FedExForum here, and Tulane's Yulman Stadium in New Orleans.

I would really like to hear why you think this is a good idea. And comparing this to the FedEx Forum is not the same thing.

because I like seeing Memphis developed with something other than cookie cutter houses...

no one is taking any public land...this is their purchased private land that they're free to do whatever they want with.

ever been to Central Park?

who would EVER want to live there? oh yeah, everyone.

So, the guy across the street from your apartment could just decide to tear down his home and build a slaughterhouse? I mean, it is HIS land, and he is FREE to do whatever he wants, right?

Buffoonery.

Why have zoning at all?

(02-12-2016 05:40 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 12:32 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  they own the land, and should do what they like with it...why wouldn't you want apartments that will command the highest price per square foot in the area?

whaaaaa! traffic whaaaaa!...guess what? the Shelby Farms Parkway is actually going to happen, and I hope this development comes to pass with it.

it's the same "not in my back yard" crap that tried to stop projects like FedExForum here, and Tulane's Yulman Stadium in New Orleans.

I would really like to hear why you think this is a good idea. And comparing this to the FedEx Forum is not the same thing.

because I like seeing Memphis developed with something other than cookie cutter houses...

no one is taking any public land...this is their purchased private land that they're free to do whatever they want with.

ever been to Central Park?

who would EVER want to live there? oh yeah, everyone.

So, the guy across the street from your apartment could just decide to tear down his home and build a slaughterhouse? I mean, it is HIS land, and he is FREE to do whatever he wants, right?

Buffoonery.

Why have zoning at all?

Precisely.

Same for not wanting to sell your house to a black person. According to UofM, it is someone's private home and land. Should be able to do whatever he wants.

(02-12-2016 12:32 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 01:41 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I live near there and this is a bad idea. The people behind this project are trying to get the land rezoned to make this deal. Around here no body is happy about it. It's not a done deal yet but maybe it is. Would you want this in your back yard?

they own the land, and should do what they like with it...why wouldn't you want apartments that will command the highest price per square foot in the area?

whaaaaa! traffic whaaaaa!...guess what? the Shelby Farms Parkway is actually going to happen, and I hope this development comes to pass with it.

it's the same "not in my back yard" crap that tried to stop projects like FedExForum here, and Tulane's Yulman Stadium in New Orleans.

I would really like to hear why you think this is a good idea. And comparing this to the FedEx Forum is not the same thing.

He likes the idea because someone in this thread said it was a bad idea.

(02-12-2016 04:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 12:32 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 01:41 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I live near there and this is a bad idea. The people behind this project are trying to get the land rezoned to make this deal. Around here no body is happy about it. It's not a done deal yet but maybe it is. Would you want this in your back yard?

they own the land, and should do what they like with it...why wouldn't you want apartments that will command the highest price per square foot in the area?

whaaaaa! traffic whaaaaa!...guess what? the Shelby Farms Parkway is actually going to happen, and I hope this development comes to pass with it.

it's the same "not in my back yard" crap that tried to stop projects like FedExForum here, and Tulane's Yulman Stadium in New Orleans.

I would really like to hear why you think this is a good idea. And comparing this to the FedEx Forum is not the same thing.

because I like seeing Memphis developed with something other than cookie cutter houses...

no one is taking any public land...this is their purchased private land that they're free to do whatever they want with.

ever been to Central Park?

who would EVER want to live there? oh yeah, everyone.

Ok, thanks for being honest. But you know, this is Memphis not New York City.

(02-12-2016 07:01 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 12:32 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 01:41 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I live near there and this is a bad idea. The people behind this project are trying to get the land rezoned to make this deal. Around here no body is happy about it. It's not a done deal yet but maybe it is. Would you want this in your back yard?

they own the land, and should do what they like with it...why wouldn't you want apartments that will command the highest price per square foot in the area?

whaaaaa! traffic whaaaaa!...guess what? the Shelby Farms Parkway is actually going to happen, and I hope this development comes to pass with it.

it's the same "not in my back yard" crap that tried to stop projects like FedExForum here, and Tulane's Yulman Stadium in New Orleans.

I would really like to hear why you think this is a good idea. And comparing this to the FedEx Forum is not the same thing.

because I like seeing Memphis developed with something other than cookie cutter houses...

no one is taking any public land...this is their purchased private land that they're free to do whatever they want with.

ever been to Central Park?

who would EVER want to live there? oh yeah, everyone.

Ok, thanks for being honest. But you know, this is Memphis not New York City.

UofMemphis = StammersInTraining.

Everyone needs a mentor I guess.

(02-12-2016 04:30 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:21 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:19 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:17 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  I've been to NYC and Central Park many times - are you really comparing Central Park and Shelby farms?

Talk about a reach...

then don't move in...project will go on without ya :-)

So you're in favor of all development? I guess you would have been against citizens to preserve Overton park too.

I'm all for private development around Overton Park...I don't see what that has to do with the citizens to preserve Overton park...unless you're trying to compare private development around the park, to a public development that would have gone through the park...which I think you are.

My point has to do with smart development vs. development.

You seem to be for any and all development.

Memphis is a city that has realized in recent years that they let too much unchecked development go on - and that is why you now have plans for areas like the medical district. It used to be that all development in the city was seen as good because it grew the immediate tax base without consideration of long term effects. That still exists to a degree but the city is doing a much better job of taking into consideration the long term effect of development.

The city is heavily involved in what will bring young, smart educated people to the city. There are studies that have been done on this and city leadership heavily considers it.

you could have just said that the first time, over the MB style snark...

(02-12-2016 05:44 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 12:32 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 01:41 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I live near there and this is a bad idea. The people behind this project are trying to get the land rezoned to make this deal. Around here no body is happy about it. It's not a done deal yet but maybe it is. Would you want this in your back yard?

they own the land, and should do what they like with it...why wouldn't you want apartments that will command the highest price per square foot in the area?

whaaaaa! traffic whaaaaa!...guess what? the Shelby Farms Parkway is actually going to happen, and I hope this development comes to pass with it.

it's the same "not in my back yard" crap that tried to stop projects like FedExForum here, and Tulane's Yulman Stadium in New Orleans.

I would really like to hear why you think this is a good idea. And comparing this to the FedEx Forum is not the same thing.

He likes the idea because someone in this thread said it was a bad idea.

I bet you still have your "no new taxes NBA!" yard sign, lol

(02-12-2016 08:38 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 07:01 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 12:32 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  they own the land, and should do what they like with it...why wouldn't you want apartments that will command the highest price per square foot in the area?

whaaaaa! traffic whaaaaa!...guess what? the Shelby Farms Parkway is actually going to happen, and I hope this development comes to pass with it.

it's the same "not in my back yard" crap that tried to stop projects like FedExForum here, and Tulane's Yulman Stadium in New Orleans.

I would really like to hear why you think this is a good idea. And comparing this to the FedEx Forum is not the same thing.

because I like seeing Memphis developed with something other than cookie cutter houses...

no one is taking any public land...this is their purchased private land that they're free to do whatever they want with.

ever been to Central Park?

who would EVER want to live there? oh yeah, everyone.

Ok, thanks for being honest. But you know, this is Memphis not New York City.

UofMemphis = StammersInTraining.

Everyone needs a mentor I guess.

sweet! more snark...and I've been here just as long as Stammers, lol

(02-12-2016 04:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 12:32 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 01:41 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I live near there and this is a bad idea. The people behind this project are trying to get the land rezoned to make this deal. Around here no body is happy about it. It's not a done deal yet but maybe it is. Would you want this in your back yard?

they own the land, and should do what they like with it...why wouldn't you want apartments that will command the highest price per square foot in the area?

whaaaaa! traffic whaaaaa!...guess what? the Shelby Farms Parkway is actually going to happen, and I hope this development comes to pass with it.

it's the same "not in my back yard" crap that tried to stop projects like FedExForum here, and Tulane's Yulman Stadium in New Orleans.

I would really like to hear why you think this is a good idea. And comparing this to the FedEx Forum is not the same thing.

because I like seeing Memphis developed with something other than cookie cutter houses...

no one is taking any public land...this is their purchased private land that they're free to do whatever they want with.

ever been to Central Park?

who would EVER want to live there? oh yeah, everyone.

So, the guy across the street from your apartment could just decide to tear down his home and build a slaughterhouse? I mean, it is HIS land, and he is FREE to do whatever he wants, right?

Buffoonery.

I wonder how much he's paying? hmmmm...

(02-13-2016 12:35 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:38 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 07:01 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 12:32 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I would really like to hear why you think this is a good idea. And comparing this to the FedEx Forum is not the same thing.

because I like seeing Memphis developed with something other than cookie cutter houses...

no one is taking any public land...this is their purchased private land that they're free to do whatever they want with.

ever been to Central Park?

who would EVER want to live there? oh yeah, everyone.

Ok, thanks for being honest. But you know, this is Memphis not New York City.

UofMemphis = StammersInTraining.

Everyone needs a mentor I guess.

sweet! more snark...and I've been here just as long as Stammers, lol

If the mountie hat fits...

Bump,

http://www.commercialappeal.com/business...29671.html

What a terrible idea.

Alright, I don't live in this area and I'm pretty much pro development for almost anything in Memphis but I recently had to travel through this area during rush hour and it was an absolute disaster. I just don't think this project should go ahead simply b/c of the traffic issues.

(02-12-2016 12:21 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 06:35 PM)king king Wrote:  I've lived south of Nashville for the past 7 or so years. When we first moved up this way I was impressed with how much easier it was to get around in general. I could make the drive downtown everyday and it didn't seem an undue burden.

In the past 3 years Nashville has become the "it" place to be. Condos are going up ALL around town as if the city's livelihood depends on it. As of today there are 32 cranes in the city. That number is expected to grow to 52 by this time next year, placing Nashville as number one for the number of cranes within the city limits in the entire nation.

Needless to say, I kind of hate living in Nashville now. The influx of outsiders has only furthered the manufactured feel of the city, which was already high to begin with (Nashville has NOTHING on Memphis in the way of soul...too bad the school system there is a shambles and I cant afford to send my kids to private school).

All that to say that developments like this, while attractive on the surface, are in the long run a bad idea for the people living in the area currently. As was previously mentioned, those apartments will be glitzy and new at first but will eventually give way to a seedier aspect. Those people will invade that total gem of a park (to me it's one of the top 3 things Memphis has going for it, and it needs to continue that way) and turn it into a shell of what it is now and what it can continue to grow into. The traffic will get worse and the greenline will suffer. The subdivisions there are a little on the lower income side, IIRC, and putting in apartment buildings will only drag those property values down further. I watched it happen to the home I owned across from TJ Mulligans on Houston Levee once the apartments that are on the south side of the road were built.

My wife and I cant get out of Nashville fast enough but we're committed to it for another 4 years at the very least since the youngest is starting high school later this year and wouldn't take being separated from her friends very well. The surge in population, no increase in road capabilities, and influx of so many from different areas with no real stake in the city are making it a smaller Atlanta. That's a nightmare.

I liked living in Nashville back about 8-10 yrs ago. Was just there this week. Yes--so many cranes. BUT traffic is an absolute nightmare with no cure in sight and just getting worse.

Nashville is now dealing with some of the same issues that Austin has been dealing with the last 20 years. Some will argue that both of those cities have grown too much too fast. Atlanta dealt with the same issues before Austin.

(02-12-2016 05:24 PM)muffinman Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:30 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:21 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 04:19 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  then don't move in...project will go on without ya :-)

So you're in favor of all development? I guess you would have been against citizens to preserve Overton park too.

I'm all for private development around Overton Park...I don't see what that has to do with the citizens to preserve Overton park...unless you're trying to compare private development around the park, to a public development that would have gone through the park...which I think you are.

My point has to do with smart development vs. development.

You seem to be for any and all development.

Memphis is a city that has realized in recent years that they let too much unchecked development go on - and that is why you now have plans for areas like the medical district. It used to be that all development in the city was seen as good because it grew the immediate tax base without consideration of long term effects. That still exists to a degree but the city is doing a much better job of taking into consideration the long term effect of development.

The city is heavily involved in what will bring young, smart educated people to the city. There are studies that have been done on this and city leadership heavily considers it.

This is the type of development that young folks will be attracted too. Low-maintenance housing, in a mixed-use development, across the street from one of the largest parks in the country. Rent wont be that cheap for this apartment.

I used to live in the apartments down the street near the dog park. They were $950/month for a 600/sq.ft 1 bed room, 6 years ago. No telling what they are now, but that complex has held up well and is in a great location.

My thoughts exactly. Parks Edge appears to have held up nicely and if anything has increased usage of that side of the park a great deal.

I don't know enough of the details about this specific development but do know that if it's done right, it could not only help the park but also the surrounding neighborhoods as well. I've seen plenty of urban parks encircled with highly developed areas that are very nice. That is certainly possible here.

As for traffic, Shelby Farms Parkway should help with that a lot. There seem to be plenty of smaller adjustments that could be made to the intersections around the park that would help a lot until that point comes. Widening intersections, creating turn lanes, ect would likely make a big difference with traffic and pollution from idling cars. It's a shame that so many people just automatically equate widened roads with more traffic and think it's all bad. At some point, it's just helping move existing traffic quicker and more efficiently.

(03-17-2016 10:21 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  What a terrible idea.

Looks like it's gonna happen ...........

Shelby Farms Boutique Hotel; Midtown Gated Community on Latest LUCB Agenda

(07-06-2017 07:20 PM)Cletus Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 10:21 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  What a terrible idea.

Looks like it's gonna happen ...........

Shelby Farms Boutique Hotel; Midtown Gated Community on Latest LUCB Agenda

Traffic there is already terrible, so let's jam it up even more!

(07-07-2017 10:53 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 07:20 PM)Cletus Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 10:21 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  What a terrible idea.

Looks like it's gonna happen ...........

Shelby Farms Boutique Hotel; Midtown Gated Community on Latest LUCB Agenda

Traffic there is already terrible, so let's jam it up even more!

It's an absolutely horrible idea. I've thought so from the get-go.

I can't believe this, a hotel. I saw this yesterday.