The more I read the more I think this is true. If they do lose a school, which they probably won't, they will just backfill and perhaps expand. I think best case scenario is that the Big12 expands and shares the Sugar with another conference and perhaps ND.
Conference Championship Game and a shot at the Sugar if they don't make the Playoffs. Everyone wins!

They already share the Sugar with the SEC.

(02-09-2016 03:59 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  They already share the Sugar with the SEC.

True. CCG and expansion shouldn't change that.

They should go after more bowl tie ins if they do expand. How about Memphis and take the Liberty Bowl as a tie in?
UCF and get one of the bowl games in Orlando.

Pretty sure Big 12 has a tie in for Orlando in Citrus Bowl (one of them Baylor played this year) and the Liberty Bowl.

(02-09-2016 04:37 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Pretty sure Big 12 has a tie in for Orlando in Citrus Bowl (one of them Baylor played this year) and the Liberty Bowl.

If Memphis is part of the Big 12, and they wind up slated for the Liberty Bowl? That would be a filled packed stadium with the locals supporting their school. Same with UCF.

(02-09-2016 04:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 04:37 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Pretty sure Big 12 has a tie in for Orlando in Citrus Bowl (one of them Baylor played this year) and the Liberty Bowl.

If Memphis is part of the Big 12, and they wind up slated for the Liberty Bowl? That would be a filled packed stadium with the locals supporting their school. Same with UCF.

Pssst, Dave: the Big XII already has the Liberty Bowl (much to my disgust).

Only if they add two more teams. Until then they will only be regarded as one of two conferences who obviously can't count (Big 14).

I tend to think that even if Texas, OU and Kansas all leave the conference, it will be the XII that raid from the AAC and/or MWC rather than the other way around.

You've got March Madness credits and you've got the CFP for the next 10 seasons where the XII will be getting a P5 level payout, by contract. It would be like the Big East/American still getting BCS auto-bids even though their best teams left.

BigXII's not going to survive this, I don't believe. It's a matter of time before it's schools are dispersed amongst the other power conferences.

That's not an uncommon thought, here.

But I just see no P conference for Iowa St, Kansas St and West Virginia -- at a minimum -- to go.


And so, if those schools stay ... why won't they reap the reward of maintaining the tournament credits and CFP tier I payout, by building the XII back with AAC and/or MWC schools??

The thing about Kansas State and WVU in particular, is that while they may not be the first choice on anyone's list...they're still not BAD choices. If you disperse the rest amongst the rest of the P4 conferences, you'll have some uneven numbers and holes to fill, and those two would be good programs to utilize to fill those holes.

There is no "disperse". No P confs are going to take XII schools just for the sake of "neatness".

(02-10-2016 02:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  There is no "disperse". No P confs are going to take XII schools just for the sake of "neatness".

Yeah, I don't understand why some people think a conference is going to take schools they don't want or need just to give them homes.

(02-09-2016 04:37 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Pretty sure Big 12 has a tie in for Orlando in Citrus Bowl (one of them Baylor played this year) and the Liberty Bowl.

There was no tie in. They were just an at large team in the New Years six bowls. Every slot is not tied to a conference.

Rumor: Gloria Gaynor will sing at the B12 Championship game.

(02-09-2016 04:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  They should go after more bowl tie ins if they do expand. How about Memphis and take the Liberty Bowl as a tie in?
UCF and get one of the bowl games in Orlando.

I guess you are being , B12 has Orlando and Liberty without Memphis.

(02-10-2016 03:04 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 04:37 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Pretty sure Big 12 has a tie in for Orlando in Citrus Bowl (one of them Baylor played this year) and the Liberty Bowl.

There was no tie in. They were just an at large team in the New Years six bowls. Every slot is not tied to a conference.

Citrus is not a NY6 bowl game. It is SEC vs B10.
This year was UF vs Michigan. The old citrus bowl is now cap 1.

(02-10-2016 09:51 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I tend to think that even if Texas, OU and Kansas all leave the conference, it will be the XII that raid from the AAC and/or MWC rather than the other way around.

That much seems established. For one thing, pretty scenarios in which conferences swap schools, like trading cards, fit an alternative universe in which conferences are publicly traded for-profit corporations and schools were wholly owned subsidiaries.

But the reality remains that conferences are membership clubs and the schools that the Fantasy Conference Realignment Trading Card players are talking about swapping around are the voting members that decide what their respective membership clubs will do.

Which means that even if Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas end up leaving the Big12 ~ and the odds of that happening are highly uncertain ~ it is highly unlikely that they will leave as part of a big restructuring plan. It is far more likely that first one realignment will happen, and then another.

The Old Big East was down to three incumbent teams when it rebuilt as the American Athletic Conference, but because of the staggering of the departures, there were schools already enroute. The MWC was able to cobble together a deal that was more attractive to Boise State, but that was on the back of unbalanced media payments, a contracted 70% payout from the old Big East for a FB-only affiliate and facing an annual travel subsidy bill for their Olympic sports.

So when it came down to it, they had their pick of CUSA schools, and would have had their pick of MAC or Sunbelt schools if they had wished to select any.

The same dynamic would be in play if the Big12 ends up being raided near the end of the current GOR. And based on its geographic positioning, the Big12 would be in a position to raid the American, the MWC, or both.

Quote: You've got March Madness credits and you've got the CFP for the next 10 seasons where the XII will be getting a P5 level payout, by contract. It would be like the Big East/American still getting BCS auto-bids even though their best teams left.

Precisely.

Big 12 will survive in some form because of name recognition. Just like the MVC, Southern, WAC etc in the past.