UVA lost to W&M in 2009 yet have played them since. Why would they not play us after a loss 30+ years ago?

Obviously, it's because WE BEAT THAT ASSSSSS

It would be interesting to know how much uva paid w&m... I know it's already been suggested that we couldn't agree on a fee and perhaps w&m was willing to accept way less? I severely doubt it was because we beat them 30 years ago. If it is anything besides money I'd suggest because we'd have more purple there than orange and blue and that would look bad to their donor base.

I was not saying they won't play us because we beat them. We also lost the next year too. I was stating what happened the last two times we played them and that they have not played us since.

Why they won't play us is speculation. I just know we have contacted them and they have said no thanks. We have tried to schedule a lot of great games that would blow your mind if they came to be. It takes two to tango and playing JMU is a risk. SMU learned that last year. We have 5 1A wins and several other close calls over the years.

I struggle why people assume our administration is not trying to schedule this school or that school. So many times I read assumptions stated as fact. There are negotiations going on all the time. Sometimes a deal gets done like WVU a few years ago. Everyone applauded that one but still there are those who choose to ignor history and assume JMU is run by bimbos.

Some of us on these boards actually know the details of the administrations efforts having served on the Duke Club board or as reps. While not broadcast publically by the school, they have shared their efforts rather widely with many supporters off the record.

The amount of other school envy on this board is embarrassing. It is the equivalent of short mans syndrome. We have a very good athletics program and have had our share of success through the years. Instead of feeling a level of pride some choose to criticize. I just don't understand it.

(02-11-2016 05:53 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I was not saying they won't play us because we beat them. We also lost the next year too. I was stating what happened the last two times we played them and that they have not played us since.

Why they won't play us is speculation. I just know we have contacted them and they have said no thanks. We have tried to schedule a lot of great games that would blow your mind if they came to be. It takes two to tango and playing JMU is a risk. SMU learned that last year. We have 5 1A wins and several other close calls over the years.

I struggle why people assume our administration is not trying to schedule this school or that school. So many times I read assumptions stated as fact. There are negotiations going on all the time. Sometimes a deal gets done like WVU a few years ago. Everyone applauded that one but still there are those who choose to ignor history and assume JMU is run by bimbos.

Some of us on these boards actually know the details of the administrations efforts having served on the Duke Club board or as reps. While not broadcast publically by the school, they have shared their efforts rather widely with many supporters off the record.

The amount of other school envy on this board is embarrassing. It is the equivalent of short mans syndrome. We have a very good athletics program and have had our share of success through the years. Instead of feeling a level of pride some choose to criticize. I just don't understand it.

Then please do share. I understand that some information or details can't be spoken about (i.e. pending contracts for games) but the fact that the administration keeps every little thing they do and say quiet without communicating with their supporters THAT is what us little ones are upset about.

It would be nice to see a goal or plan that includes some form of DETAILS not just general fluffy words and ideas. If we've contacted UVA and they have politely declined to play us why keep that a secret? It's dead, no confidentiality issues now, so publicize that and show us that you are doing something that you are trying. What I see and what many other see is an administration that sits on their hands with their finger up their butt.

I've gotten more information into the future of JMU from these boards (HH&C and others) then from JMU directly and THAT IS NOTHING MORE THEN S......A.....D AND CYOA attitude. That way when something doesn't happen or something goes wrong no one can be held responsible.

FYI this is coming from a recent grad someone who not even 3 years ago was a student and had blinders on, who thought JMU was the best and everything was rosey. It's sad to see how quickly I've become jaded. I still support the school but that's only because I recognize that my donations help the students and athletes and don't hurt the school. If anything lowering my donations will hurt the students through increased tuition and fees. But you better believe I take every opportunity to express my opinion to anyone that is unfortunate enough to get caught in my tracks.

Rant over.

I don't see articles in the Richmond paper where the AD from UVA and VT talk about the games they tried to schedule but could not get done. I am not sure why some of our fan base feels they should be kept informed of every detail on scheduling and conference affiliation. Why is there an expectation that our admin be public with everything?

I have been involved with JMU for over 30 years. Sometimes I have gotten frustrated too. There were times I have let negativity settle in and it jaded my outlook on things. Several years ago I was asked to be on the Duke Club Board. Once on it, I saw things in a different light. Our administration does a much better job than these boards give them credit for doing. I saw it first hand.

I have been off the board for awhile now, but still have maintained relationships with several board members. What I can tell you is everyone who sees the work of our administration up close appreciates how difficult their job is and sees things differently. While our guys are not perfect and I disagree with some of their decisions, they get right far more times than not.

Maybe I misphrased some of my arguement. I used the failed game contracts as an example because this is a sports message board, but I just want communication in some form of measurable goals/metrics for the entire university. I see the vast majority of universities in America capable of this so why can't JMU? I receive more communications about the University of Maryland (my childhood dream) then I do about my alma mater. What does "national" "engaged" mean? Does that mean 30k students? 25k? Law school? more of a research focused institution? I will give credit to Mr. Bourne and Athletics when they released their vision last year it had some quantifiable goals.

Oh and btw I don't want to discount the work you or anyone else do for JMU. I have no doubt the job is hard, but is it that hard to occasionally let us know what your doing or where you want to take us without using fluffy, pretty words? Thank you though for your insight, I will defer to your knowledge that JMU is in good hands.

Now back to topic. While ODU has added UVA, there's talk of them needing FCS opponents in the coming years? Pros and Cons of that being us:

PRO: excitable game for the fanbase
PRO: excellent visibility for the program in a recruiting hotbed
PRO: good chance of a win

CON: admitting they are above us in the pecking order now

Any others:

(02-11-2016 10:50 PM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  Maybe I misphrased some of my arguement. I used the failed game contracts as an example because this is a sports message board, but I just want communication in some form of measurable goals/metrics for the entire university. I see the vast majority of universities in America capable of this so why can't JMU? I receive more communications about the University of Maryland (my childhood dream) then I do about my alma mater. What does "national" "engaged" mean? Does that mean 30k students? 25k? Law school? more of a research focused institution? I will give credit to Mr. Bourne and Athletics when they released their vision last year it had some quantifiable goals.

Oh and btw I don't want to discount the work you or anyone else do for JMU. I have no doubt the job is hard, but is it that hard to occasionally let us know what your doing or where you want to take us without using fluffy, pretty words? Thank you though for your insight, I will defer to your knowledge that JMU is in good hands.

Now back to topic. While ODU has added UVA, there's talk of them needing FCS opponents in the coming years? Pros and Cons of that being us:

PRO: excitable game for the fanbase
PRO: excellent visibility for the program in a recruiting hotbed
PRO: good chance of a win

CON: admitting they are above us in the pecking order now

Any others:

Any pro to this would be outweighed by the embarrassment of being the FCS game for ODU. We would be the girl who got dumped but then tries to get invited to her ex-boyfriend's wedding.

(02-11-2016 10:50 PM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  Maybe I misphrased some of my arguement. I used the failed game contracts as an example because this is a sports message board, but I just want communication in some form of measurable goals/metrics for the entire university. I see the vast majority of universities in America capable of this so why can't JMU? I receive more communications about the University of Maryland (my childhood dream) then I do about my alma mater. What does "national" "engaged" mean? Does that mean 30k students? 25k? Law school? more of a research focused institution? I will give credit to Mr. Bourne and Athletics when they released their vision last year it had some quantifiable goals.

Oh and btw I don't want to discount the work you or anyone else do for JMU. I have no doubt the job is hard, but is it that hard to occasionally let us know what your doing or where you want to take us without using fluffy, pretty words? Thank you though for your insight, I will defer to your knowledge that JMU is in good hands.

Now back to topic. While ODU has added UVA, there's talk of them needing FCS opponents in the coming years? Pros and Cons of that being us:

PRO: excitable game for the fanbase
PRO: excellent visibility for the program in a recruiting hotbed
PRO: good chance of a win

CON: admitting they are above us in the pecking order now

Any others:

Good chance of a win? As time goes that decreases- they have a stable full of 3 star ponies, and a lot of them. I know stars mean little to some, but the recruiting level has already been ratcheted up in Nofuk.

(02-12-2016 08:12 AM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:50 PM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  Maybe I misphrased some of my arguement. I used the failed game contracts as an example because this is a sports message board, but I just want communication in some form of measurable goals/metrics for the entire university. I see the vast majority of universities in America capable of this so why can't JMU? I receive more communications about the University of Maryland (my childhood dream) then I do about my alma mater. What does "national" "engaged" mean? Does that mean 30k students? 25k? Law school? more of a research focused institution? I will give credit to Mr. Bourne and Athletics when they released their vision last year it had some quantifiable goals.

Oh and btw I don't want to discount the work you or anyone else do for JMU. I have no doubt the job is hard, but is it that hard to occasionally let us know what your doing or where you want to take us without using fluffy, pretty words? Thank you though for your insight, I will defer to your knowledge that JMU is in good hands.

Now back to topic. While ODU has added UVA, there's talk of them needing FCS opponents in the coming years? Pros and Cons of that being us:

PRO: excitable game for the fanbase
PRO: excellent visibility for the program in a recruiting hotbed
PRO: good chance of a win

CON: admitting they are above us in the pecking order now

Any others:

Good chance of a win? As time goes that decreases- they have a stable full of 3 star ponies, and a lot of them. I know stars mean little to some, but the recruiting level has already been ratcheted up in Nofuk.

In my eyes ODU <= SMU and we know how that ended. We competed the entire game and put ourselves in a position to win at the end, I would expect nothing different in Norfolk. Also, we aren't talking 5+ years in the future, they have openings as soon as 2017.

(02-11-2016 06:45 PM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 05:53 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I was not saying they won't play us because we beat them. We also lost the next year too. I was stating what happened the last two times we played them and that they have not played us since.

Why they won't play us is speculation. I just know we have contacted them and they have said no thanks. We have tried to schedule a lot of great games that would blow your mind if they came to be. It takes two to tango and playing JMU is a risk. SMU learned that last year. We have 5 1A wins and several other close calls over the years.

I struggle why people assume our administration is not trying to schedule this school or that school. So many times I read assumptions stated as fact. There are negotiations going on all the time. Sometimes a deal gets done like WVU a few years ago. Everyone applauded that one but still there are those who choose to ignor history and assume JMU is run by bimbos.

Some of us on these boards actually know the details of the administrations efforts having served on the Duke Club board or as reps. While not broadcast publically by the school, they have shared their efforts rather widely with many supporters off the record.

The amount of other school envy on this board is embarrassing. It is the equivalent of short mans syndrome. We have a very good athletics program and have had our share of success through the years. Instead of feeling a level of pride some choose to criticize. I just don't understand it.

Then please do share. I understand that some information or details can't be spoken about (i.e. pending contracts for games) but the fact that the administration keeps every little thing they do and say quiet without communicating with their supporters THAT is what us little ones are upset about.

It would be nice to see a goal or plan that includes some form of DETAILS not just general fluffy words and ideas. If we've contacted UVA and they have politely declined to play us why keep that a secret? It's dead, no confidentiality issues now, so publicize that and show us that you are doing something that you are trying. What I see and what many other see is an administration that sits on their hands with their finger up their butt.

I've gotten more information into the future of JMU from these boards (HH&C and others) then from JMU directly and THAT IS NOTHING MORE THEN S......A.....D AND CYOA attitude. That way when something doesn't happen or something goes wrong no one can be held responsible.

FYI this is coming from a recent grad someone who not even 3 years ago was a student and had blinders on, who thought JMU was the best and everything was rosey. It's sad to see how quickly I've become jaded. I still support the school but that's only because I recognize that my donations help the students and athletes and don't hurt the school. If anything lowering my donations will hurt the students through increased tuition and fees. But you better believe I take every opportunity to express my opinion to anyone that is unfortunate enough to get caught in my tracks.

Rant over.

I have to agree with Nation here. Although our admin hasn't been great at communication, do you really expect to hear from them about games not scheduled? They also did not comment on the firm that wasn't selected to expand URec or the new janitorial contract they just put in place. It's not a secret, it just isn't worth a press release.

As for getting more information on these boards than from the admin, isn't that the way it should be? We all browse these boards and share info because we care more about the details than the average John Q. Graduate. And info is going to be leaked here that is not going to be shared through official means.

I agree with Nation as well, but I see CISDuke's point. I don't think we should be sending out press releases for games we tried to schedule and were unsuccessful, but I think CISDUke was trying to argue (and chose a poor example) that we are not as communicative as other universities. I know for a fact this is true, because a personal friend (and famous board member) used to work in PR for JMU, and then transferred to another regional school, and told me he sent out more press releases as a one man team in his first 6 months at the new school than JMU's team of 4 did in a year.

Is this purposeful? Does our admin think if we inundate everyone with constant messages we lose our message strength? I don't know. Personally I can see both sides of it.

(02-12-2016 09:12 AM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 08:12 AM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:50 PM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  Maybe I misphrased some of my arguement. I used the failed game contracts as an example because this is a sports message board, but I just want communication in some form of measurable goals/metrics for the entire university. I see the vast majority of universities in America capable of this so why can't JMU? I receive more communications about the University of Maryland (my childhood dream) then I do about my alma mater. What does "national" "engaged" mean? Does that mean 30k students? 25k? Law school? more of a research focused institution? I will give credit to Mr. Bourne and Athletics when they released their vision last year it had some quantifiable goals.

Oh and btw I don't want to discount the work you or anyone else do for JMU. I have no doubt the job is hard, but is it that hard to occasionally let us know what your doing or where you want to take us without using fluffy, pretty words? Thank you though for your insight, I will defer to your knowledge that JMU is in good hands.

Now back to topic. While ODU has added UVA, there's talk of them needing FCS opponents in the coming years? Pros and Cons of that being us:

PRO: excitable game for the fanbase
PRO: excellent visibility for the program in a recruiting hotbed
PRO: good chance of a win

CON: admitting they are above us in the pecking order now

Any others:

Good chance of a win? As time goes that decreases- they have a stable full of 3 star ponies, and a lot of them. I know stars mean little to some, but the recruiting level has already been ratcheted up in Nofuk.

In my eyes ODU <= SMU and we know how that ended. We competed the entire game and put ourselves in a position to win at the end, I would expect nothing different in Norfolk. Also, we aren't talking 5+ years in the future, they have openings as soon as 2017.

This goes right back to my post earlier. We need $400K+ for a payday game. Do you really see ODU paying that kind of cash? College scheduling is about the dollar and we have to get more from a payday game than we can conceivably get by playing a home game. I have to give Bourne a little credit on the UNC game this upcoming season. The third weekend of a season is not a good time to sell tickets for a BFS game. It's actually the very best placement of a payday game. The first game of the season, not just the first home game, but the first weekend colleges take to the field, we can sell a lot of tickets even if its a community college coming to Harrisonburg.

(02-10-2016 12:33 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  UVA will not schedule JMU for football. We have contacted them in the past to schedule a game and they won't do it. We beat them in 1982 and almost made it two in a row in 1983. That was the last time they would play us.

I'm going to say 99% of people will interpret that as you are saying they won't play us because we beat them in the past. If that isn't your "point" then the inclusion of details that we beat them in 82 is useless fluff and a distractor in your "point."

(02-10-2016 11:31 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Don't know about 10 years ago or the JMU turn down because of money. I only know we have tried to schedule them in recent years and they won't do so.

Wait so now you are backtracking? Now you can only speak about scheduling from '82 - '06? You seemed to have stated a fact but now it seems like you were just throwing out observations, maybe?

(02-11-2016 05:53 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I was not saying they won't play us because we beat them. We also lost the next year too. I was stating what happened the last two times we played them and that they have not played us since....

Okay, cool. Some clarity. I appreciate that.

(02-11-2016 05:53 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  ...Why they won't play us is speculation. ...........

....So many times I read assumptions stated as fact.....

Wait so the first two posts above you presented as fact was just speculation but then you give other people a hard time for presenting assumptions as fact?

(02-10-2016 12:33 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  UVA will not schedule JMU for football. We have contacted them in the past to schedule a game and they won't do it. We beat them in 1982 and almost made it two in a row in 1983. That was the last time they would play us.

If you look at the Fcs teams UVA has played in the last 30+ years at least, it's been UR, W&M and VMI.
The only reason why they're scheduling them is due to their "respect" for them because all three schools have a past history with UVA back when they were all at the same level of cfb prior to the I-A/I-AA split in 1978.
The boohoos are so ******* pretentious that they think they're too good to play any other Fcs schools other than those three.

To further my point, guess who the last Fcs team that UVA played that wasn't VMI, UR or W&M? It was JMU in 1983. The last time we played them.
Who was the last team that is now Fcs that they played that isn't the four previously mentioned schools? Lehigh, who they played in 1976 back before I-AA even existed.

Geez DDD, how would you feel if someone took your posts and put it under a microscope? Posting is like emails, all sorts of unintended meaning can be attached to it. As I write things, what I am intending to say in my head doesn't come across the same to each reader.

I don't know for sure but I think early on, UVA did not play us because of how competitive the first two games were. Probably not a stretch to think this. Since then, I imagine we tried to schedule them just as we have scheduled VT. Probably not a stretch to assume this either. I know for a fact that we more recently did contact them.

Hope this is not to fluffy for you.