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RE: Trusted Memphis poster hears Memphis president met w/ B12 this weekend
WV has no place to go. they are stuck where they are for a very long time. They are not going to G5 conf.
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RE: Trusted Memphis poster hears Memphis president met w/ B12 this weekend
(02-10-2016 04:49 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote: (02-10-2016 03:48 PM)TexanMark Wrote: (02-10-2016 03:41 PM)MplsBison Wrote: That leaves the SEC, then. ACC doesn't like WV (apparently) and not high enough academics for B1G.
I wouldn't rule out the ACC...
I would... How many times does the ACC need to reject WVU before the message sinks in? The ACC has already passed on WVU at least three times...in favor of Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, and Louisville. Could have had WVU cheaply anywhere along the way.
Hell, the SEC is more likely than the ACC.
The ACC has passed on WVU a few times, but when did they pass on WVU in favor of Louisville?
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RE: Trusted Memphis poster hears Memphis president met w/ B12 this weekend
If XII had taken Louisville instead of WV in 2010, as many people wanted, would ACC have taken WV in 2014, when Maryland left?
We can only guess. But some ACC fans and some WV fans will definitively say that the answer would have been "No!".
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RE: Trusted Memphis poster hears Memphis president met w/ B12 this weekend
(02-10-2016 04:08 PM)Cletus Wrote: (02-09-2016 05:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (02-09-2016 05:26 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote: (02-09-2016 01:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: Its entirely possible that the Memphis State President met with the B12. It would also be entirely possible that the Presidents of Uconn, Cincy, San Diego State, BYU, UCF, USF, ECU, Boise, Houston, and USF met with the B12.
Smart conferences keep up with teams.
But that being said, I'd put Memphis behind Uconn, Boise, Cincy, SDSU, BYU, Houston, UCF, and USF in the race for the B12. Lets review.
Football success? Two good (but not great) seasons recently after a decade of mid-Sun Belt level football. Not the best candidate. Not the second best candidate either. They aren't Boise. They aren't TCU.
Basketball success? Historically great. But Uconn is better. Cincy isn't bad either. Maybe number 2 there.
Growing population that adds to the conference? Adds a moribund metro to the league. Good recruiting though (Although the SEC currently does and will continue to own that Metro). But Memphis falls behind Uconn, UCF, USF, Houston, Cincy, SDSU, etc. in this analysis.
Reputation fit? Nope. Boise, Uconn, and Cincy would probably do more for the league.
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You omitted location, which is probably UofM's strongest asset. Memphis, along with Cincinnati are the perfect fits to fill the footprint gap toward WVU (and, as a pair, they bring a 50-year old rivalry).
Memphis is 7 hours from Cincy and at least that far from every single Big XII school.
And your point is?
Houston is 8-1/2 hours from Lubbock
Houston is 8 hours from Stillwater
Houston is 11-1/2 hours from Lawrence KS
Houston is 15 hours from Ames Iowa
Houston is 12 hours from Manhattan KS
Houston is 6-1/2 hours from Norman OK
Adding Houston would place a team that is very close to 3 Big XII-II institutions. Adding Houston would help the Big XII-II fight the SEC in Houston (which is now more of a SEC town than a Big XII-II one). Houston is a massive institution with a gorgeous on campus stadium. Close to 7 million people live in greater Houston. Houston has a much better football program than Memphis historically too.
Adding Memphis would add a team that is close to ... no one. It would probably not move the needle much in Memphis area recruiting. Memphis plays off campus, has less than half the students of UH and a lower endowment than South Alabama (much less UH). Meanwhile, UH has just been promoted to Tier 1 by the Texas legislature (along with UT, TAMU, and Tech). Greater Memphis has 1.3 million people (less than a third of Houston). Historically good basketball at UM though.
What does adding Memphis add to the Big XII-II? Will it allow Big XII-II teams to beat out Alabama and the rest of the SEC in Memphis area recruiting? Will it provide more common sense matchups with WVU (a team that Memphis doesn't really have much of a history with anyway)? Will it deliver a market for the Big XII-II? Will it stop the encroachment of the SEC into the Big XII-II footprint?
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For the record I actually think the Big XII-II should try something new. One team for WVU (Cincy or Uconn) and one new market that is capturable...Either SDSU or UCF. But after that, I see UH as providing more value at this point.
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RE: Trusted Memphis poster hears Memphis president met w/ B12 this weekend
(02-11-2016 02:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (02-10-2016 04:08 PM)Cletus Wrote: (02-09-2016 05:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (02-09-2016 05:26 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote: (02-09-2016 01:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: Its entirely possible that the Memphis State President met with the B12. It would also be entirely possible that the Presidents of Uconn, Cincy, San Diego State, BYU, UCF, USF, ECU, Boise, Houston, and USF met with the B12.
Smart conferences keep up with teams.
But that being said, I'd put Memphis behind Uconn, Boise, Cincy, SDSU, BYU, Houston, UCF, and USF in the race for the B12. Lets review.
Football success? Two good (but not great) seasons recently after a decade of mid-Sun Belt level football. Not the best candidate. Not the second best candidate either. They aren't Boise. They aren't TCU.
Basketball success? Historically great. But Uconn is better. Cincy isn't bad either. Maybe number 2 there.
Growing population that adds to the conference? Adds a moribund metro to the league. Good recruiting though (Although the SEC currently does and will continue to own that Metro). But Memphis falls behind Uconn, UCF, USF, Houston, Cincy, SDSU, etc. in this analysis.
Reputation fit? Nope. Boise, Uconn, and Cincy would probably do more for the league.
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You omitted location, which is probably UofM's strongest asset. Memphis, along with Cincinnati are the perfect fits to fill the footprint gap toward WVU (and, as a pair, they bring a 50-year old rivalry).
Memphis is 7 hours from Cincy and at least that far from every single Big XII school.
And your point is?
Houston is 8-1/2 hours from Lubbock
Houston is 8 hours from Stillwater
Houston is 11-1/2 hours from Lawrence KS
Houston is 15 hours from Ames Iowa
Houston is 12 hours from Manhattan KS
Houston is 6-1/2 hours from Norman OK
Adding Houston would place a team that is very close to 3 Big XII-II institutions. Adding Houston would help the Big XII-II fight the SEC in Houston (which is now more of a SEC town than a Big XII-II one). Houston is a massive institution with a gorgeous on campus stadium. Close to 7 million people live in greater Houston. Houston has a much better football program than Memphis historically too.
Adding Memphis would add a team that is close to ... no one. It would probably not move the needle much in Memphis area recruiting. Memphis plays off campus, has less than half the students of UH and a lower endowment than South Alabama (much less UH). Meanwhile, UH has just been promoted to Tier 1 by the Texas legislature (along with UT, TAMU, and Tech). Greater Memphis has 1.3 million people (less than a third of Houston). Historically good basketball at UM though.
What does adding Memphis add to the Big XII-II? Will it allow Big XII-II teams to beat out Alabama and the rest of the SEC in Memphis area recruiting? Will it provide more common sense matchups with WVU (a team that Memphis doesn't really have much of a history with anyway)? Will it deliver a market for the Big XII-II? Will it stop the encroachment of the SEC into the Big XII-II footprint?
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For the record I actually think the Big XII-II should try something new. One team for WVU (Cincy or Uconn) and one new market that is capturable...Either SDSU or UCF. But after that, I see UH as providing more value at this point.
Memphis doesn't have the NFL. It really supports basketball despite the NBA and really supports football when they are decent. They have the potential to be a school that fills a 60,000 seat stadium. Cincinnati, Houston and UConn don't.
Of course, everything else you have said about them is true. They are a risk. But they've got more upside than any of the others but BYU.
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RE: Trusted Memphis poster hears Memphis president met w/ B12 this weekend
(02-11-2016 08:45 PM)bullet Wrote: (02-11-2016 02:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (02-10-2016 04:08 PM)Cletus Wrote: (02-09-2016 05:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (02-09-2016 05:26 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote: You omitted location, which is probably UofM's strongest asset. Memphis, along with Cincinnati are the perfect fits to fill the footprint gap toward WVU (and, as a pair, they bring a 50-year old rivalry).
Memphis is 7 hours from Cincy and at least that far from every single Big XII school.
And your point is?
Houston is 8-1/2 hours from Lubbock
Houston is 8 hours from Stillwater
Houston is 11-1/2 hours from Lawrence KS
Houston is 15 hours from Ames Iowa
Houston is 12 hours from Manhattan KS
Houston is 6-1/2 hours from Norman OK
Adding Houston would place a team that is very close to 3 Big XII-II institutions. Adding Houston would help the Big XII-II fight the SEC in Houston (which is now more of a SEC town than a Big XII-II one). Houston is a massive institution with a gorgeous on campus stadium. Close to 7 million people live in greater Houston. Houston has a much better football program than Memphis historically too.
Adding Memphis would add a team that is close to ... no one. It would probably not move the needle much in Memphis area recruiting. Memphis plays off campus, has less than half the students of UH and a lower endowment than South Alabama (much less UH). Meanwhile, UH has just been promoted to Tier 1 by the Texas legislature (along with UT, TAMU, and Tech). Greater Memphis has 1.3 million people (less than a third of Houston). Historically good basketball at UM though.
What does adding Memphis add to the Big XII-II? Will it allow Big XII-II teams to beat out Alabama and the rest of the SEC in Memphis area recruiting? Will it provide more common sense matchups with WVU (a team that Memphis doesn't really have much of a history with anyway)? Will it deliver a market for the Big XII-II? Will it stop the encroachment of the SEC into the Big XII-II footprint?
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For the record I actually think the Big XII-II should try something new. One team for WVU (Cincy or Uconn) and one new market that is capturable...Either SDSU or UCF. But after that, I see UH as providing more value at this point.
Memphis doesn't have the NFL. It really supports basketball despite the NBA and really supports football when they are decent. They have the potential to be a school that fills a 60,000 seat stadium. Cincinnati, Houston and UConn don't.
Of course, everything else you have said about them is true. They are a risk. But they've got more upside than any of the others but BYU.
I think Memphis has the 2nd most players on SEC rosters of any city behind Atlanta. We win just our city recruiting battles and we will be stacked. We already do it in basketball (rip).
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RE: Trusted Memphis poster hears Memphis president met w/ B12 this weekend
(02-11-2016 08:45 PM)bullet Wrote: (02-11-2016 02:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (02-10-2016 04:08 PM)Cletus Wrote: (02-09-2016 05:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (02-09-2016 05:26 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote: You omitted location, which is probably UofM's strongest asset. Memphis, along with Cincinnati are the perfect fits to fill the footprint gap toward WVU (and, as a pair, they bring a 50-year old rivalry).
Memphis is 7 hours from Cincy and at least that far from every single Big XII school.
And your point is?
Houston is 8-1/2 hours from Lubbock
Houston is 8 hours from Stillwater
Houston is 11-1/2 hours from Lawrence KS
Houston is 15 hours from Ames Iowa
Houston is 12 hours from Manhattan KS
Houston is 6-1/2 hours from Norman OK
Adding Houston would place a team that is very close to 3 Big XII-II institutions. Adding Houston would help the Big XII-II fight the SEC in Houston (which is now more of a SEC town than a Big XII-II one). Houston is a massive institution with a gorgeous on campus stadium. Close to 7 million people live in greater Houston. Houston has a much better football program than Memphis historically too.
Adding Memphis would add a team that is close to ... no one. It would probably not move the needle much in Memphis area recruiting. Memphis plays off campus, has less than half the students of UH and a lower endowment than South Alabama (much less UH). Meanwhile, UH has just been promoted to Tier 1 by the Texas legislature (along with UT, TAMU, and Tech). Greater Memphis has 1.3 million people (less than a third of Houston). Historically good basketball at UM though.
What does adding Memphis add to the Big XII-II? Will it allow Big XII-II teams to beat out Alabama and the rest of the SEC in Memphis area recruiting? Will it provide more common sense matchups with WVU (a team that Memphis doesn't really have much of a history with anyway)? Will it deliver a market for the Big XII-II? Will it stop the encroachment of the SEC into the Big XII-II footprint?
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For the record I actually think the Big XII-II should try something new. One team for WVU (Cincy or Uconn) and one new market that is capturable...Either SDSU or UCF. But after that, I see UH as providing more value at this point.
Memphis doesn't have the NFL. It really supports basketball despite the NBA and really supports football when they are decent. They have the potential to be a school that fills a 60,000 seat stadium. Cincinnati, Houston and UConn don't.
Of course, everything else you have said about them is true. They are a risk. But they've got more upside than any of the others but BYU.
Really? Potential is a lame term, everyone and everything has the potential to do either positive or negative. 60,000? That is a joke. UC had 58 for the game against Oklahoma, any school will draw when playing that kind of opponent. Your bias is really showing in this post. Lame.
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RE: Trusted Memphis poster hears Memphis president met w/ B12 this weekend
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RE: Trusted Memphis poster hears Memphis president met w/ B12 this weekend
(02-11-2016 11:10 PM)rtaylor Wrote: (02-11-2016 08:45 PM)bullet Wrote: (02-11-2016 02:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (02-10-2016 04:08 PM)Cletus Wrote: (02-09-2016 05:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: Memphis is 7 hours from Cincy and at least that far from every single Big XII school.
And your point is?
Houston is 8-1/2 hours from Lubbock
Houston is 8 hours from Stillwater
Houston is 11-1/2 hours from Lawrence KS
Houston is 15 hours from Ames Iowa
Houston is 12 hours from Manhattan KS
Houston is 6-1/2 hours from Norman OK
Adding Houston would place a team that is very close to 3 Big XII-II institutions. Adding Houston would help the Big XII-II fight the SEC in Houston (which is now more of a SEC town than a Big XII-II one). Houston is a massive institution with a gorgeous on campus stadium. Close to 7 million people live in greater Houston. Houston has a much better football program than Memphis historically too.
Adding Memphis would add a team that is close to ... no one. It would probably not move the needle much in Memphis area recruiting. Memphis plays off campus, has less than half the students of UH and a lower endowment than South Alabama (much less UH). Meanwhile, UH has just been promoted to Tier 1 by the Texas legislature (along with UT, TAMU, and Tech). Greater Memphis has 1.3 million people (less than a third of Houston). Historically good basketball at UM though.
What does adding Memphis add to the Big XII-II? Will it allow Big XII-II teams to beat out Alabama and the rest of the SEC in Memphis area recruiting? Will it provide more common sense matchups with WVU (a team that Memphis doesn't really have much of a history with anyway)? Will it deliver a market for the Big XII-II? Will it stop the encroachment of the SEC into the Big XII-II footprint?
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For the record I actually think the Big XII-II should try something new. One team for WVU (Cincy or Uconn) and one new market that is capturable...Either SDSU or UCF. But after that, I see UH as providing more value at this point.
Memphis doesn't have the NFL. It really supports basketball despite the NBA and really supports football when they are decent. They have the potential to be a school that fills a 60,000 seat stadium. Cincinnati, Houston and UConn don't.
Of course, everything else you have said about them is true. They are a risk. But they've got more upside than any of the others but BYU.
Really? Potential is a lame term, everyone and everything has the potential to do either positive or negative. 60,000? That is a joke. UC had 58 for the game against Oklahoma, any school will draw when playing that kind of opponent. Your bias is really showing in this post. Lame.
Memphis averaged more in attendance this year than Cincy's stadium capacity.
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RE: Trusted Memphis poster hears Memphis president met w/ B12 this weekend
(02-12-2016 12:06 AM)Titans3775 Wrote: (02-11-2016 11:10 PM)rtaylor Wrote: (02-11-2016 08:45 PM)bullet Wrote: (02-11-2016 02:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (02-10-2016 04:08 PM)Cletus Wrote: And your point is?
Houston is 8-1/2 hours from Lubbock
Houston is 8 hours from Stillwater
Houston is 11-1/2 hours from Lawrence KS
Houston is 15 hours from Ames Iowa
Houston is 12 hours from Manhattan KS
Houston is 6-1/2 hours from Norman OK
Adding Houston would place a team that is very close to 3 Big XII-II institutions. Adding Houston would help the Big XII-II fight the SEC in Houston (which is now more of a SEC town than a Big XII-II one). Houston is a massive institution with a gorgeous on campus stadium. Close to 7 million people live in greater Houston. Houston has a much better football program than Memphis historically too.
Adding Memphis would add a team that is close to ... no one. It would probably not move the needle much in Memphis area recruiting. Memphis plays off campus, has less than half the students of UH and a lower endowment than South Alabama (much less UH). Meanwhile, UH has just been promoted to Tier 1 by the Texas legislature (along with UT, TAMU, and Tech). Greater Memphis has 1.3 million people (less than a third of Houston). Historically good basketball at UM though.
What does adding Memphis add to the Big XII-II? Will it allow Big XII-II teams to beat out Alabama and the rest of the SEC in Memphis area recruiting? Will it provide more common sense matchups with WVU (a team that Memphis doesn't really have much of a history with anyway)? Will it deliver a market for the Big XII-II? Will it stop the encroachment of the SEC into the Big XII-II footprint?
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For the record I actually think the Big XII-II should try something new. One team for WVU (Cincy or Uconn) and one new market that is capturable...Either SDSU or UCF. But after that, I see UH as providing more value at this point.
Memphis doesn't have the NFL. It really supports basketball despite the NBA and really supports football when they are decent. They have the potential to be a school that fills a 60,000 seat stadium. Cincinnati, Houston and UConn don't.
Of course, everything else you have said about them is true. They are a risk. But they've got more upside than any of the others but BYU.
Really? Potential is a lame term, everyone and everything has the potential to do either positive or negative. 60,000? That is a joke. UC had 58 for the game against Oklahoma, any school will draw when playing that kind of opponent. Your bias is really showing in this post. Lame.
Memphis averaged more in attendance this year than Cincy's stadium capacity.
Wow, that is cool, UC has an historic stadium right in the middle of campus, while Memphis does not, and I could go on and on about comparing the universities, I will just say that most Memphis fans are still butt hurt from never even being in the running for the the Big East, and now you think you have a shot at the XII?
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RE: Trusted Memphis poster hears Memphis president met w/ B12 this weekend
(02-12-2016 12:45 AM)rtaylor Wrote: .... UC has an historic stadium right in the middle of campus, while Memphis does not.....
Memphis' newly renovated 60,000 seat Liberty Bowl stadium, with specially designed "Tiger Lane" tailgating area, is only 2 miles from campus. By comparison, Miami (FL), UConn, UCLA and Pitt play in stadiums located 21, 20, 17 and 4.3 miles for their campuses. With the added revenue which Big 12 membership would afford, an on-campus stadium would probably eventually be built, but there is no immediate need and money is being spent on other athletic facilities such as a new indoor football practice facility.
Quote: most Memphis fans are still butt hurt from never even being in the running for the the Big East
Can't say "never". Memphis was a technically member of the BCS auto-bid Big East for a short while before the name was changed.
Does Memphis have a chance of joining the Big 12 IF they expand? Depends on their priorities and how smart they are.
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