(02-09-2016 10:38 AM)HERD1 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 09:07 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 09:43 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  USM doesn't. I didn't think the NCAA allowed partials. Somehow Marshall is able to do it.

NQ's have all graduated in good standing from their High Schools. The problem with NQ's is they didn't get thier ACT or SAT test scores to get into the schools that wanted to sign them. Marshall requires a 21 on the ACT for admittance.
An NQ is required to enroll on their own and pay their own way.

I've always wondered this, so are you saying a NQ for football would be admitted to the university (with a 20 on their ACT) but a regular (non athlete) student would be denied with the same test scores (20 on their ACT)? If that is true, that doesn't seem right...but maybe I'm misunderstanding it.

Don't forget basketball players.

(02-09-2016 10:42 AM)Flat Tire 2 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 10:38 AM)HERD1 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 09:07 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 09:43 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  USM doesn't. I didn't think the NCAA allowed partials. Somehow Marshall is able to do it.

NQ's have all graduated in good standing from their High Schools. The problem with NQ's is they didn't get thier ACT or SAT test scores to get into the schools that wanted to sign them. Marshall requires a 21 on the ACT for admittance.
An NQ is required to enroll on their own and pay their own way.

I've always wondered this, so are you saying a NQ for football would be admitted to the university (with a 20 on their ACT) but a regular (non athlete) student would be denied with the same test scores (20 on their ACT)? If that is true, that doesn't seem right...but maybe I'm misunderstanding it.

Don't forget basketball players.

No kids are taken on probationary status and must show progress - everyone is in the same boat.

I love the ECU fans playing holier than thou. Hell, I heard Justin Hardy in interviews, how that dude graduated High School, I'll never know. BTW, You had tons of NQ's when we played you in Mobile.

If you take Jucos or Preps, you are just as guilty of playing the system as Marshall. If NQ's were illegal the NCAA would put a stop to it.

Vinnie Curry is a prime example of the good in this and that giving a kid a chance pays off. He got his degree, plays in the NFL and just signed a $43 Mil. contract with the Eagles.

Hell, call the CUSA OFFICE and have them kick us out if it bothers you that much. Geezus.

(02-09-2016 11:03 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 10:42 AM)Flat Tire 2 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 10:38 AM)HERD1 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 09:07 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 09:43 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  USM doesn't. I didn't think the NCAA allowed partials. Somehow Marshall is able to do it.

NQ's have all graduated in good standing from their High Schools. The problem with NQ's is they didn't get thier ACT or SAT test scores to get into the schools that wanted to sign them. Marshall requires a 21 on the ACT for admittance.
An NQ is required to enroll on their own and pay their own way.

I've always wondered this, so are you saying a NQ for football would be admitted to the university (with a 20 on their ACT) but a regular (non athlete) student would be denied with the same test scores (20 on their ACT)? If that is true, that doesn't seem right...but maybe I'm misunderstanding it.

Don't forget basketball players.

No kids are taken on probationary status and must show progress - everyone is in the same boat.

I love the ECU fans playing holier than thou. Hell, I heard Justin Hardy in interviews, how that dude graduated High School, I'll never know. BTW, You had tons of NQ's when we played you in Mobile.

If you take Jucos or Preps, you are just as guilty of playing the system as Marshall. If NQ's were illegal the NCAA would put a stop to it.

Vinnie Curry is a prime example of the good in this and that giving a kid a chance pays off. He got his degree, plays in the NFL and just signed a $43 Mil. contract with the Eagles.

Hell, call the CUSA OFFICE and have them kick us out if it bothers you that much. Geezus.

So would a regular student be taken "on probationary status" or would they just be denied admission if they didn't have the SAT/ACT score.

(02-09-2016 01:55 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 11:03 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 10:42 AM)Flat Tire 2 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 10:38 AM)HERD1 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 09:07 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  NQ's have all graduated in good standing from their High Schools. The problem with NQ's is they didn't get thier ACT or SAT test scores to get into the schools that wanted to sign them. Marshall requires a 21 on the ACT for admittance.
An NQ is required to enroll on their own and pay their own way.

I've always wondered this, so are you saying a NQ for football would be admitted to the university (with a 20 on their ACT) but a regular (non athlete) student would be denied with the same test scores (20 on their ACT)? If that is true, that doesn't seem right...but maybe I'm misunderstanding it.

Don't forget basketball players.

No kids are taken on probationary status and must show progress - everyone is in the same boat.

I love the ECU fans playing holier than thou. Hell, I heard Justin Hardy in interviews, how that dude graduated High School, I'll never know. BTW, You had tons of NQ's when we played you in Mobile.

If you take Jucos or Preps, you are just as guilty of playing the system as Marshall. If NQ's were illegal the NCAA would put a stop to it.

Vinnie Curry is a prime example of the good in this and that giving a kid a chance pays off. He got his degree, plays in the NFL and just signed a $43 Mil. contract with the Eagles.

Hell, call the CUSA OFFICE and have them kick us out if it bothers you that much. Geezus.

So would a regular student be taken "on probationary status" or would they just be denied admission if they didn't have the SAT/ACT score.

Yes, they would...and they would take 099 level classes and be on academic probation I would think...

(02-09-2016 12:52 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 12:43 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 11:53 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  I'm not too good for it. I just think that there should be sanctions for it.

The term "student-athlete" has been devalued so much over the years, and I'd like it to mean something again.

And yes, I know a lot of these NQ's come from very tough backgrounds. So do a lot of qualifiers, including ones at Rice.

Well if those problem (grades/test) kids gets a degree I think they are just as much a "student athlete" as any student at Rice.

Yes they pay their own way but for a lot of them the pell grant is doing the paying. And some will get extra help with scholarships for low income students. And I think most will get a tuition waver for being out of state students (counts as a lower in state student).

Any kid that can get into college ans works hard can overcome what ever their weakness was. I would much rather that kid get into school then get a degree and a decent job....

than what the average low income (most NQs comes from low income families) person does with their life without that college degree.

Yeah, I'm sure the schools take of them with a good financial aid package for their first year when they aren't playing football. Don't really have an issue with that.. Hell, the only reason we have any kind of scout team at Rice is because we can throw lots of financial aid for decent high school players who otherwise would be in fraternity at UT or A&M.

I have NEVER said that these NQ's shouldn't have the opportunity to better themselves and receive an education. What I am torn about is whether or not they should be able to play football/basketball/whatever. If you can't get above the NCAA qualification standards, which are pretty damn low, then I think you should focus on your school work.

This is why I propose some kind of penalty for playing NQ's... Not to bar them, but to discourage the practice.

NQs can't play. If they never qualify they aren't on the team. I only have one issue with NQs. The school never gets punished if the NQ never qualifies to play. If schools were punished in this situation they might be more selective in whom they take as an NQ.

If a school is going to take an NQ they should be required to make at least a certain minimum effort to get them qualified or else pay a penalty. Otherwise, they're just jerking the kid around and wasting his time and money. And there should be a limit of one NQ per year per school.

(02-09-2016 01:07 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 11:39 PM)MU42 Wrote:  The way it works is you enroll on your dime and can't participate with team or coaches in any way. After your first year if your academics are in order you then join the team. You have 3 years of eligibility left, but if you are on track to graduate you can earn a 4th year of eligibility.

No as the count towards a scholarship. My understanding is that they do not count against the numbers until they actually make the grades and start practicing.

I don't see why people ***** about this. This is one advantage we have over the P5. They take all the talent and 1-2 guys every year don't have the grades for whatever reason. If they go to a prep school or JUCO they could still end up at a P5, but if we take them as a NQ they will most likely be with us for the long haul. The P5 have about 99 advantages and we have 1, I'll take it even if some of you are to good for it. We will keep winning and you can keep whining.

because college football should be about college first, and football second. not the other way around.

And nothing prevents that from being true with an NQ.

(02-09-2016 08:21 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 01:25 AM)Shrack Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 01:07 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 11:39 PM)MU42 Wrote:  The way it works is you enroll on your dime and can't participate with team or coaches in any way. After your first year if your academics are in order you then join the team. You have 3 years of eligibility left, but if you are on track to graduate you can earn a 4th year of eligibility.

No as the count towards a scholarship. My understanding is that they do not count against the numbers until they actually make the grades and start practicing.

I don't see why people ***** about this. This is one advantage we have over the P5. They take all the talent and 1-2 guys every year don't have the grades for whatever reason. If they go to a prep school or JUCO they could still end up at a P5, but if we take them as a NQ they will most likely be with us for the long haul. The P5 have about 99 advantages and we have 1, I'll take it even if some of you are to good for it. We will keep winning and you can keep whining.

because college football should be about college first, and football second. not the other way around.

Should be, but college football hasn't been about college in years and probably won't ever be again.

edit: and honestly, was college football ever actually about college? Universities have been cheating forever to get athletes who wouldn't make it into the school. Same goes for Men's Bball.

And let's face it. You get rewarded for cheating. Look at Alabama: 10 seasons of probation in the past 25-26 years. That is 40% of the time...and that's just what has been caught. Here they are though playing for national championships every year. No one cares.

That's a broad stroke or generalization. Is it pervasive? Sure, but not all schools think like this. Not all coaches think like this. Some still have respect for themselves. Not every school is like FSU. And not every coach is like Pitino.

For the record, Middle Tennessee does not take NQ's.

We have the option to do so on a case by case basis, but to my knowledge we have not taken any in the past 10 years.

Our view is the NCAA qualification standards are already so low that if you can't meet them you probably don't have much chance of staying eligible taking a full college course load. That is unless the university has created a curriculum just for athletes where the toughest course is basket weaving, but we don't have one of those either.

Believe it or not, all high schools are not equal. Some do a very poor job of teaching their students. Some even refuse to fire incompetent teachers. Should a student be punished again for living in a bad school district?

I don't know why people care so much about NQs. I'd never want to build a program around them because a fair number of them aren't going to work out, but I have no problem with my school taking a chance on 2-3 guys per year.

(02-09-2016 01:55 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 11:03 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 10:42 AM)Flat Tire 2 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 10:38 AM)HERD1 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 09:07 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  NQ's have all graduated in good standing from their High Schools. The problem with NQ's is they didn't get thier ACT or SAT test scores to get into the schools that wanted to sign them. Marshall requires a 21 on the ACT for admittance.
An NQ is required to enroll on their own and pay their own way.

I've always wondered this, so are you saying a NQ for football would be admitted to the university (with a 20 on their ACT) but a regular (non athlete) student would be denied with the same test scores (20 on their ACT)? If that is true, that doesn't seem right...but maybe I'm misunderstanding it.

Don't forget basketball players.

No kids are taken on probationary status and must show progress - everyone is in the same boat.

I love the ECU fans playing holier than thou. Hell, I heard Justin Hardy in interviews, how that dude graduated High School, I'll never know. BTW, You had tons of NQ's when we played you in Mobile.

If you take Jucos or Preps, you are just as guilty of playing the system as Marshall. If NQ's were illegal the NCAA would put a stop to it.

Vinnie Curry is a prime example of the good in this and that giving a kid a chance pays off. He got his degree, plays in the NFL and just signed a $43 Mil. contract with the Eagles.

Hell, call the CUSA OFFICE and have them kick us out if it bothers you that much. Geezus.

So would a regular student be taken "on probationary status" or would they just be denied admission if they didn't have the SAT/ACT score.

I doubt a regular student has anywhere near the chance to bring tons of money to the school. Trying to get an NQ qualified is an expense worth the risk for the school. And if the student gets qualified and gets a degree it's a win-win situation.

I'd much rather see this than putting people in lifetime dependency by putting them on government subsistance.

(02-09-2016 08:18 AM)MU42 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 07:58 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Tech used to take NQs in the late 80's-early 90's. I remember Eager Eagle giving us a hard time about it. It seems that most of our better players were what we called "Props" back then. Troy Edwards was a Prop. It can be an advantage over teams who can't sign them. No way that Alabama LB signs with Marshall if they can't take NQs, for example.

He might start for us next year. Sure he needs to bring his ACT score up. But as long as he does he will not be a NQ.

Maybe you guys can consult UL-Laughyette about how to get that ACT score up.......Just saying.....

(02-09-2016 04:46 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 12:52 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 12:43 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 11:53 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  I'm not too good for it. I just think that there should be sanctions for it.

The term "student-athlete" has been devalued so much over the years, and I'd like it to mean something again.

And yes, I know a lot of these NQ's come from very tough backgrounds. So do a lot of qualifiers, including ones at Rice.

Well if those problem (grades/test) kids gets a degree I think they are just as much a "student athlete" as any student at Rice.

Yes they pay their own way but for a lot of them the pell grant is doing the paying. And some will get extra help with scholarships for low income students. And I think most will get a tuition waver for being out of state students (counts as a lower in state student).

Any kid that can get into college ans works hard can overcome what ever their weakness was. I would much rather that kid get into school then get a degree and a decent job....

than what the average low income (most NQs comes from low income families) person does with their life without that college degree.

Yeah, I'm sure the schools take of them with a good financial aid package for their first year when they aren't playing football. Don't really have an issue with that.. Hell, the only reason we have any kind of scout team at Rice is because we can throw lots of financial aid for decent high school players who otherwise would be in fraternity at UT or A&M.

I have NEVER said that these NQ's shouldn't have the opportunity to better themselves and receive an education. What I am torn about is whether or not they should be able to play football/basketball/whatever. If you can't get above the NCAA qualification standards, which are pretty damn low, then I think you should focus on your school work.

This is why I propose some kind of penalty for playing NQ's... Not to bar them, but to discourage the practice.

NQs can't play. If they never qualify they aren't on the team. I only have one issue with NQs. The school never gets punished if the NQ never qualifies to play. If schools were punished in this situation they might be more selective in whom they take as an NQ.

If a school is going to take an NQ they should be required to make at least a certain minimum effort to get them qualified or else pay a penalty. Otherwise, they're just jerking the kid around and wasting his time and money. And there should be a limit of one NQ per year per school.

What part of this don't you understand? The school isn't using the student athlete by taking an NQ. The NQ pays their own way and has to make academic progress in order to be fully admitted and placed on scholarship. It's a win win for all.

Why is taking a Juco or Prep percieved to be so proper? Those kids are just a big of risk. They are signed out of a Juco college that often is a joke for academics. The school takes a chance on signing them and placing them on scholarship immediately.

Frankly, The fact that a kid is at Marshall, making progress toward a degree makes me feel better about his situation.

We don't build our roster with them and Doc is very selective. I didn't whine when USM loaded up on Juco's. These kids are all in the same boat. Hell you took a kid that got kicked off the Auburn team. No one is pure in these situations.

(02-09-2016 09:52 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 09:29 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 09:09 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  I really do not think the issue is accepting NQ's....My issue is once they arrive at a college what is actually being done to get them "qualified". It is my understanding that all that they have to prove to get qualified by NCAA at that point is that they are meeting the matriculation standards of any other player.

IMHO that sets up an opportunity for some schools to maybe "fudge" some things to get these kids qualified. That process just tempts schools to maybe do things for these athletes that is not being done for the general populations of students.

Some schools have a very high percentage of these NQs qualifying the following season while some other schools have a terrible track record of getting kids like this qualified. Why is this??????

My point is once they arrive on campus as a NQ it is not apples to apples at each school from an academic standpoint with some schools setting up special curriculum programs designed to get these kids qualified and we all know what that involves.

Personally I do not think any school that wants them to play ball should be able to bring them in and be the ones to assist them in qualifying...Just too much incentive to maybe do things a little different for these kids and sacrifice academic standards for athletics.

In Marshall's case - we have the HELP program which is a tutoring and academic assistance program open to all students. This program was recognized about 5 years ago by the CFA and College Coaches association for its exemplary work.
I can assure you, MU doesn't try any funny business. Our past dealings with the NCAA have made us a squeaky clean program.

Funny, I don't see such criticism when schools load up on Jucos like USM has done or accept P5 transfers because said transfer has been kicked off their team for an arrest, domestic violence, DUI, etc. Transgressions that I consider MUCH worse than not being able to get your ACT score up. Talk about misguided priorities.

We don't cheat like UNC.

That is cool...Personally I am glad East Carolina is out of the business of NQs. We never took too many of them and when we did most all of them were from the state of NC but we always caught crap from the ACC schools about it, especially when we would beat them. Now we no longer give them that excuse...It has been 4 or so years since our last NQ.

For me is is just easier to not have to deal with the entire mess and stigma surrounded by taking them. Also once had an ECU Head Coach tell me they made the entire recruiting situation way more complicated. He stated it was hard to properly account for these kids because you never knew which ones would make it or not and all the sudden you either had too many scholarships promised or ended up short in certain areas depending on how many did not make it....He was the one that basically stopped taking them even when we still could.

And ECU hasn't been in a conference championship game since they quit taking them. That's not a slam, just an observation.

Here's the issue, out of 128 FBS schools about 90 of them are east of the Mississippi. When you look at recruiting, Texas and California almost entirely produce enough quality players for the team's west of the Mississippi. That makes recruiting pretty easy for PAC 12, Big 12 and MWC schools as well as AAC and CUSA schools in Texas. If you're in the east competing against the Big 10, ACC, SEC, eastern CUSA and AAC schools plus the MAC and the Belt then you should look for any advantage you can.

This recruiting situation is really why former G5 teams TCU and Utah, along with Boise, always dominated the AQ spot for the have nots. If you are a good football player from California you had 10 PAC teams back then, 12 Big 12 teams, which were still half way across the country, and then Utah, TCU and Boise.

For a school like ECU you were really wanting players that had 36 P5 options before they even thought about you, then you were on equal footing with about 20 other teams.

(02-09-2016 10:00 PM)banker Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 09:52 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 09:29 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 09:09 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  I really do not think the issue is accepting NQ's....My issue is once they arrive at a college what is actually being done to get them "qualified". It is my understanding that all that they have to prove to get qualified by NCAA at that point is that they are meeting the matriculation standards of any other player.

IMHO that sets up an opportunity for some schools to maybe "fudge" some things to get these kids qualified. That process just tempts schools to maybe do things for these athletes that is not being done for the general populations of students.

Some schools have a very high percentage of these NQs qualifying the following season while some other schools have a terrible track record of getting kids like this qualified. Why is this??????

My point is once they arrive on campus as a NQ it is not apples to apples at each school from an academic standpoint with some schools setting up special curriculum programs designed to get these kids qualified and we all know what that involves.

Personally I do not think any school that wants them to play ball should be able to bring them in and be the ones to assist them in qualifying...Just too much incentive to maybe do things a little different for these kids and sacrifice academic standards for athletics.

In Marshall's case - we have the HELP program which is a tutoring and academic assistance program open to all students. This program was recognized about 5 years ago by the CFA and College Coaches association for its exemplary work.
I can assure you, MU doesn't try any funny business. Our past dealings with the NCAA have made us a squeaky clean program.

Funny, I don't see such criticism when schools load up on Jucos like USM has done or accept P5 transfers because said transfer has been kicked off their team for an arrest, domestic violence, DUI, etc. Transgressions that I consider MUCH worse than not being able to get your ACT score up. Talk about misguided priorities.

We don't cheat like UNC.

That is cool...Personally I am glad East Carolina is out of the business of NQs. We never took too many of them and when we did most all of them were from the state of NC but we always caught crap from the ACC schools about it, especially when we would beat them. Now we no longer give them that excuse...It has been 4 or so years since our last NQ.

For me is is just easier to not have to deal with the entire mess and stigma surrounded by taking them. Also once had an ECU Head Coach tell me they made the entire recruiting situation way more complicated. He stated it was hard to properly account for these kids because you never knew which ones would make it or not and all the sudden you either had too many scholarships promised or ended up short in certain areas depending on how many did not make it....He was the one that basically stopped taking them even when we still could.

And ECU hasn't been in a conference championship game since they quit taking them. That's not a slam, just an observation.

Here's the issue, out of 128 FBS schools about 90 of them are east of the Mississippi. When you look at recruiting, Texas and California almost entirely produce enough quality players for the team's west of the Mississippi. That makes recruiting pretty easy for PAC 12, Big 12 and MWC schools as well as AAC and CUSA schools in Texas. If you're in the east competing against the Big 10, ACC, SEC, eastern CUSA and AAC schools plus the MAC and the Belt then you should look for any advantage you can.

This recruiting situation is really why former G5 teams TCU and Utah, along with Boise, always dominated the AQ spot for the have nots. If you are a good football player from California you had 10 PAC teams back then, 12 Big 12 teams, which were still half way across the country, and then Utah, TCU and Boise.

For a school like ECU you were really wanting players that had 36 P5 options before they even thought about you, then you were on equal footing with about 20 other teams.

We have had some darn good success since no longer taking NQs...Sure we have not played on a conference championship game but it is not like we have not been a competitive team. Also the last couple of seasons have been some of our better rated recruiting classes in the history of our program. We have not had a hard time attracting talented players that can fully qualify as soon as they arrive on campus.

Not sure what your beef is about ECU but I never made this conversation about Marshall...That is just your own defensive nature about the discussion. If you are fine with Marshall taking may football players and admitting them to your University what that otherwise would not be the case if they were not good at football them so be it...That is the administration at Marshall's decision.

All I said is that I am glad they we no longer took them and that we did not have that stigma around our program. Never said one word about Marshall.

Also when you go back and look at our program when we won the CUSA championship several years ago we had very few NQs on that roster who actively contributed.

So leave ECU out of your neurosis surrounding this matter. It is not like Marshall has racked up CUSA championships even though using NQs to basically form the foundation for building your football program.

In regards to our team that you guys played in Mobile years and years ago..No it was not full of NQs. I am sure there were a few on the team because that was during the time frame when our administration allowed our coaching staff to take a few "exceptions" each year. The difference for ECU in regards to that process than some other schools...Many of those guys were never able to make the grade and see the field.

As far as Prep School and JUCO's....Yes, just like most programs we have had some of those over the years but not as many as you think. Due to the UNC System requirements for the acceptance of transfers (This is the same for all UNC System Schools)....We have a hard time being able to accept many out of state JUCO's because their core curriculum does not meet the minimum standards needed to be accepted at a UNC System School. As a matter of fact ECU's signing class this season included no Prep School players and one JUCO player.

(02-09-2016 11:03 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 10:42 AM)Flat Tire 2 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 10:38 AM)HERD1 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 09:07 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 09:43 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  USM doesn't. I didn't think the NCAA allowed partials. Somehow Marshall is able to do it.

NQ's have all graduated in good standing from their High Schools. The problem with NQ's is they didn't get thier ACT or SAT test scores to get into the schools that wanted to sign them. Marshall requires a 21 on the ACT for admittance.
An NQ is required to enroll on their own and pay their own way.

I've always wondered this, so are you saying a NQ for football would be admitted to the university (with a 20 on their ACT) but a regular (non athlete) student would be denied with the same test scores (20 on their ACT)? If that is true, that doesn't seem right...but maybe I'm misunderstanding it.

Don't forget basketball players.

No kids are taken on probationary status and must show progress - everyone is in the same boat.

I love the ECU fans playing holier than thou. Hell, I heard Justin Hardy in interviews, how that dude graduated High School, I'll never know. BTW, You had tons of NQ's when we played you in Mobile.

If you take Jucos or Preps, you are just as guilty of playing the system as Marshall. If NQ's were illegal the NCAA would put a stop to it.

Vinnie Curry is a prime example of the good in this and that giving a kid a chance pays off. He got his degree, plays in the NFL and just signed a $43 Mil. contract with the Eagles.

Hell, call the CUSA OFFICE and have them kick us out if it bothers you that much. Geezus.

Wow...Where is any ECU fan "playing holier than thou" in the group of posts you quoted? Do not even see a post from an ECU fan of the ones you quoted.

In regards to your totally BS post about Justin Hardy I will just say that he came on campus fully qualified to play day one. If you think the manner in which someone talks determines their intelligence level then you are a bigger idiot than I thought you were.

Justin Hardy is a great football player but was an even better person and student at ECU. He is great representative of East Carolina University and I proud to call him one of ours. I bet you do not realize he left ECU he with 2 degrees and was on the academic honor roll at ECU multiple times. Had his first degree within 4 years on campus. So STFU about things you have no knowledge of...Just makes you look like an moron.

(02-09-2016 09:14 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 04:46 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 12:52 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 12:43 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 11:53 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  I'm not too good for it. I just think that there should be sanctions for it.

The term "student-athlete" has been devalued so much over the years, and I'd like it to mean something again.

And yes, I know a lot of these NQ's come from very tough backgrounds. So do a lot of qualifiers, including ones at Rice.

Well if those problem (grades/test) kids gets a degree I think they are just as much a "student athlete" as any student at Rice.

Yes they pay their own way but for a lot of them the pell grant is doing the paying. And some will get extra help with scholarships for low income students. And I think most will get a tuition waver for being out of state students (counts as a lower in state student).

Any kid that can get into college ans works hard can overcome what ever their weakness was. I would much rather that kid get into school then get a degree and a decent job....

than what the average low income (most NQs comes from low income families) person does with their life without that college degree.

Yeah, I'm sure the schools take of them with a good financial aid package for their first year when they aren't playing football. Don't really have an issue with that.. Hell, the only reason we have any kind of scout team at Rice is because we can throw lots of financial aid for decent high school players who otherwise would be in fraternity at UT or A&M.

I have NEVER said that these NQ's shouldn't have the opportunity to better themselves and receive an education. What I am torn about is whether or not they should be able to play football/basketball/whatever. If you can't get above the NCAA qualification standards, which are pretty damn low, then I think you should focus on your school work.

This is why I propose some kind of penalty for playing NQ's... Not to bar them, but to discourage the practice.

NQs can't play. If they never qualify they aren't on the team. I only have one issue with NQs. The school never gets punished if the NQ never qualifies to play. If schools were punished in this situation they might be more selective in whom they take as an NQ.

If a school is going to take an NQ they should be required to make at least a certain minimum effort to get them qualified or else pay a penalty. Otherwise, they're just jerking the kid around and wasting his time and money. And there should be a limit of one NQ per year per school.

What part of this don't you understand? The school isn't using the student athlete by taking an NQ. The NQ pays their own way and has to make academic progress in order to be fully admitted and placed on scholarship. It's a win win for all.

Why is taking a Juco or Prep percieved to be so proper? Those kids are just a big of risk. They are signed out of a Juco college that often is a joke for academics. The school takes a chance on signing them and placing them on scholarship immediately.

Frankly, The fact that a kid is at Marshall, making progress toward a degree makes me feel better about his situation.

We don't build our roster with them and Doc is very selective. I didn't whine when USM loaded up on Juco's. These kids are all in the same boat. Hell you took a kid that got kicked off the Auburn team. No one is pure in these situations.

Dude, reread my post. I support taking NQs with a limit of one per year per school. If a school takes an NQ and doesn't really make a strong commitment to get him qualified then they are using him by wasting his money and time. He could better spend it working at McDonald's.

I hope the USM fans throwing stones remember that the last quality big man we had for basketball (Vandarel Jones) was a NQ who earned his 4th year back. He won the C-USA Scholar Athlete of the Year Award in 2001. We don't take them any more, but I wish we did. As others have said, it's no different from the academic side than JUCO players, plus JUCO guys often don't really connect to their FBS school long term. By that I mean, the guys who are at USM all 4 years stay Golden Eagles for life. The JUCO guys often never form that bond.

In the case of the NQ or JUCO guys, it's a chance for them to get their act straight. Personally, I trust USM to do that better than a JUCO.

(02-11-2016 01:12 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  I hope the USM fans throwing stones remember that the last quality big man we had for basketball (Vandarel Jones) was a NQ who earned his 4th year back. He won the C-USA Scholar Athlete of the Year Award in 2001. We don't take them any more, but I wish we did. As others have said, it's no different from the academic side than JUCO players, plus JUCO guys often don't really connect to their FBS school long term. By that I mean, the guys who are at USM all 4 years stay Golden Eagles for life. The JUCO guys often never form that bond.

In the case of the NQ or JUCO guys, it's a chance for them to get their act straight. Personally, I trust USM to do that better than a JUCO.

Good post

I'll just leave this here, destroys the whole everyone does it argument.

Conference USA football members

FAU Do not admit non-qualifiers.

FIU Do not admit non-qualifiers.

La. Tech Coaches can request signing non-qualifiers; university considers on individual basis.

Marshall Admits 4+ football non-qualifiers per year.

MTSU No policy, but no non-qualifiers admitted since as late as 2005.

North Texas Coaches can request non-qualifiers; current AD never admitted more than three football players in a year.

Old Dominion Do not admit or recruit non-qualifiers.

Rice Do not consider signing non-qualifiers because university standards exceed NCAA requirements.

Southern Miss Allow signing non-qualifiers, but rarely do.

UAB Do not admit non-qualifiers.

UTEP No policy; Have admitted a few non-qualifiers in other sports, but none in football last 4 years.

UTSA No non-qualifiers admitted in at least 7 years; none in football, which began in 2010.

Western Kentucky No policy

And the the power 5 is discussing "academic redshirts", a nice way of saying they can take NQs. That's the fun part of taking NQs, the P5 schools really get pizzed when they can't place those high rated recruits.

If the P5 goes with this academic redshirt thing they will couple it with an expanded scholarship number and then all G5 schools will be looking at having less talent on the field. The move by them to increase scholarships would create more of a divide than anything else they could do. It's how Pitt was able to win championships, they would have 120 or 130 players on scholarship back in the day and not let anyone else get any of the regional talent.