Can anyone tell me what he's accomplished to get such a great reputation? One memorable run to the Super Bowl?

you couldn't bother to humor me?

(02-08-2016 06:20 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Can anyone tell me what he's accomplished to get such a great reputation? One memorable run to the Super Bowl?

...practicing superior grooming habits and keeping a consistent man-tan?

(02-08-2016 09:40 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 06:20 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Can anyone tell me what he's accomplished to get such a great reputation? One memorable run to the Super Bowl?

...practicing superior grooming habits and keeping a consistent man-tan?

LOL

(02-08-2016 06:20 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Can anyone tell me what he's accomplished to get such a great reputation? One memorable run to the Super Bowl?

He was pretty consistent good to great for about a decade. The end in Tennessee wasn't his fault IMHO.

(02-10-2016 11:23 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 06:20 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Can anyone tell me what he's accomplished to get such a great reputation? One memorable run to the Super Bowl?

He was pretty consistent good to great for about a decade. The end in Tennessee wasn't his fault IMHO.

That's his reputation, but not his record. He's been a head coach for 20 seasons and won his division 4 times. With only four teams in a division, an "average" coach should win it five times in that span. He also only has six winning seasons in that span. That's not even above average, much less good to great.

Where his luck has come from, is having good seasons at the end of down/.500 cycles, which makes him hard to fire. He gets on the hot seat, then does just well enough at the end of his contract to get an extension, rinse and repeat.

Now admittedly he's been in some tough spots. First he was in the toughest division in football in he late 90's with Jacksonville (people forget they used to be really good with Mark Brunell, Fred Taylor, Jimmy smith, and Keenan mcCardell), Pittsburgh, and Baltimore. Then they moved divisions and he got beat up by Peyton manning for a decade. Then he gets fired and lands a plum job in an "easy" division, only to them see Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll, and Bruce Arians show up.


So he's certainly been very unlucky.

Granted, one of those years he didn't win the division title he led one of the most memorable Super Bowl runs ever but yep, Fisher has had a long career of mediocrity. Coaches who have a long tract record of high level success have been fired for less. He was on the verge of being fired after years of mediocrity with the Oilers/Titans before the AFC title run saved his job and career.

He's a better coach than his record shows but if he was as good as his longevity suggest, he'd have more accomplishment.

(02-10-2016 05:42 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Granted, one of those years he didn't win the division title he led one of the most memorable Super Bowl runs ever but yep, Fisher has had a long career of mediocrity. Coaches who have a long tract record of high level success have been fired for less. He was on the verge of being fired after years of mediocrity with the Oilers/Titans before the AFC title run saved his job and career.

He's a better coach than his record shows but if he was as good as his longevity suggest, he'd have more accomplishment.

Agree. I have nothing personal against the guy and he seems to do things the right way and has integrity with his players but I would say his career record is pretty vanilla.

21 Seasons
Regular season: 165–150–1 (.524)
Postseason: 5–6 (.455)
Career: 170–156–1 (.521)
AFC Championships: 1
Super Bowl Appearances: 1
Super Bowl Wins: 0

(02-10-2016 02:59 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-10-2016 11:23 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 06:20 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Can anyone tell me what he's accomplished to get such a great reputation? One memorable run to the Super Bowl?

He was pretty consistent good to great for about a decade. The end in Tennessee wasn't his fault IMHO.

That's his reputation, but not his record. He's been a head coach for 20 seasons and won his division 4 times. With only four teams in a division, an "average" coach should win it five times in that span. He also only has six winning seasons in that span. That's not even above average, much less good to great.

Where his luck has come from, is having good seasons at the end of down/.500 cycles, which makes him hard to fire. He gets on the hot seat, then does just well enough at the end of his contract to get an extension, rinse and repeat.

Now admittedly he's been in some tough spots. First he was in the toughest division in football in he late 90's with Jacksonville (people forget they used to be really good with Mark Brunell, Fred Taylor, Jimmy smith, and Keenan mcCardell), Pittsburgh, and Baltimore. Then they moved divisions and he got beat up by Peyton manning for a decade. Then he gets fired and lands a plum job in an "easy" division, only to them see Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll, and Bruce Arians show up.


So he's certainly been very unlucky.

I don't think that you can hold anything that happened to him in Tennessee against him. It's really hard to win without a QB*, and I feel very strongly that Bud Adams screwed him out of a QB.

*Yeah, I know the Ravens won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer (Dillfer), but that was by design. They put all of their eggs into the their defensive basket. Tennessee had strong defenses, but was never 100% committed to defense.

What QB were they gonna grab in 2006 that was highly touted? Vince Young may have been something if he wasn't so full of himself and more coachable. Even Jay Cutler is a "meh" above average QB. Vince Young was solid for a few years.

(02-12-2016 11:17 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  What QB were they gonna grab in 2006 that was highly touted? Vince Young may have been something if he wasn't so full of himself and more coachable. Even Jay Cutler is a "meh" above average QB. Vince Young was solid for a few years.

It's not who they could have grabbed. It's who they could have kept. McNair was the PERFECT mentor for Vince, who could have been great. Instead, VY was fast tracked, and fell apart. Sure, he had some amazing games and plays, but he also had some abysmal plays and games.

McNair was also over the hill or at least headed that way and besides, their late owner was trying to stick it to his former city and division rival in Houston by drafting their native son who was coming off a national title in college.

(02-12-2016 04:57 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  McNair was also over the hill or at least headed that way and besides, their late owner was trying to stick it to his former city and division rival in Houston by drafting their native son who was coming off a national title in college.

I don't disagree. I just don't think that this argues against my contention.

27-36-1 and 0 playoff appearances in 4 seasons draws a contract exstension. Go figure.

The Rams aren't loaded with talent and players will have trouble focusing during a disorganized first season back in LA. Might as well stick with Coach Mediocrity for this year and maybe next as well.

And in 2-3 years he'll pull off a 13-3 season and get a contract extension that will last for the rest of his career.

(03-01-2016 05:55 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  And in 2-3 years he'll pull off a 13-3 season and get a contract extension that will last for the rest of his career.

That's what he does...