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(02-08-2016 10:30 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Everyone complains about our recruiting classes and then complains when we fire a coach because "he was a great recruiter."

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(02-08-2016 12:58 AM)ODUAlumni2015 Wrote:  We don't need a High School or FCS coach. Go after the leftovers that some of the other upper G5 and lower level P5 have let go!

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We need FBS experience.
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I agree if we get more lower fcs or high school call ups I won't be impressed. But ultimately I won't judge until I see a product. But yeah I'd prefer to see some experience at our level brought in.

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Is there anyone on staff now that might be moved to O-line? In typical fashion, I have asked the question without doing my own research. I will take a look at it (coachs' bios) and let you know what I come up with.

EDIT:

Kyle Jolly is a graduate assistant who works with the O-line. He started three years at left tackle for UNC and had some time with the Steelers and Falcons. However, he only recently joined the staff as a graduate assistant, so I would not think he is a viable candidate. No one else on staff looks like a good fit.

http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...EASON=2015
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Everyone complains about our recruiting classes and then complains when we fire a coach because "he was a great recruiter."
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Both statements can be true. Z was a great recruiter. Some of the best recruits we got this year came from NE. AND the class as a whole can be sub par.
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Fair seas and following winds, Coach Z

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Our offensive line has been sub par since the middle of the 2013 season when JuCo David Born went down, leaving JuCo DJ Morrell to carry the load.

Here we are going into 2016 with way too many questions.
Connor Mewborne (like Morrell and Born, an FCS recruit), arguably our best O Lineman since 2013, is gone. Good kid but no Born or Morrell.


This move had to be made.

Our almost fully FBS O line in 2015 was not nearly as good as our 2012 FCS offensive line was. In fact, I submit it has actually gotten worse each season since.

We blamed it on being young. Sure. Young players lack technique, miss assignments, get penalties.
I don't know how many missed assignments we had.
I don't know how many technique issues there are.
I DO know that we should have seen substantially more holding, as young players are called a lot on holds until they learn how to mask them.
Aggression/frustration penalties ie personal fouls. We had almost none the whole season! Seriously, to me that indicated a marked lack of intensity; and when protecting the QB along with almost no holding calls, an inexplicable lack of urgency. Let's face it, a proper offensive lineman will do almost anything, including holding, tackling, tripping, clipping, cut blocking, etc. to protect his quarterback. If I had been an ODU QB I would have been scared to death.

Likely in 2016 technique will be better, reads will be better.
Intensity can be drilled somewhat, but a lot, if not most of that is personality.
Speed can be improved somewhat at this level. but I have my doubts with this group.

The 2015 line was big, but very slow.
These guys were likely the biggest on their respective teams in high school and basically just had to stand there.
Easier said than done of course, but IMO we should be recruiting smart aggressive athletes that may not be the beefiest right out of high school, but can use a redshirt year to bulk up and learn the system.

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(02-08-2016 12:01 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Our offensive line has been sub par since the middle of the 2013 season when JuCo David Born went down, leaving JuCo DJ Morrell to carry the load.

Here we are going into 2016 with way too many questions.
Connor Mewborne (like Morrell and Born, an FCS recruit), arguably our best O Lineman since 2013, is gone. Good kid but no Born or Morrell.


This move had to be made.

Our almost fully FBS O line in 2015 was not nearly as good as our 2012 FCS offensive line was. In fact, I submit it has actually gotten worse each season since.

We blamed it on being young. Sure. Young players lack technique, miss assignments, get penalties.
I don't know how many missed assignments we had.
I don't know how many technique issues there are.
I DO know that we should have seen substantially more holding, as young players are called a lot on holds until they learn how to mask them.
Aggression/frustration penalties ie personal fouls. We had almost none the whole season! Seriously, to me that indicated a marked lack of intensity; and when protecting the QB along with almost no holding calls, an inexplicable lack of urgency. Let's face it, a proper offensive lineman will do almost anything, including holding, tackling, tripping, clipping, cut blocking, etc. to protect his quarterback. If I had been an ODU QB I would have been scared to death.

Likely in 2016 technique will be better, reads will be better.
Intensity can be drilled somewhat, but a lot, if not most of that is personality.
Speed can be improved somewhat at this level. but I have my doubts with this group.

The 2015 line was big, but very slow.
These guys were likely the biggest on their respective teams in high school and basically just had to stand there.
Easier said than done of course, but IMO we should be recruiting smart aggressive athletes that may not be the beefiest right out of high school, but can use a redshirt year to bulk up and learn the system.

07-coffee3

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Size not the only issue. It is speed and talent. Our very first football game against Va State (??) they had an avg size along their O-line over 300 pounds and we destroyed them. And our D-line that first year was undersized by FCS. Standards.
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(02-08-2016 12:01 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Our offensive line has been sub par since the middle of the 2013 season when JuCo David Born went down, leaving JuCo DJ Morrell to carry the load.

Here we are going into 2016 with way too many questions.
Connor Mewborne (like Morrell and Born, an FCS recruit), arguably our best O Lineman since 2013, is gone. Good kid but no Born or Morrell.


This move had to be made.

Our almost fully FBS O line in 2015 was not nearly as good as our 2012 FCS offensive line was. In fact, I submit it has actually gotten worse each season since.

We blamed it on being young. Sure. Young players lack technique, miss assignments, get penalties.
I don't know how many missed assignments we had.
I don't know how many technique issues there are.
I DO know that we should have seen substantially more holding, as young players are called a lot on holds until they learn how to mask them.
Aggression/frustration penalties ie personal fouls. We had almost none the whole season! Seriously, to me that indicated a marked lack of intensity; and when protecting the QB along with almost no holding calls, an inexplicable lack of urgency. Let's face it, a proper offensive lineman will do almost anything, including holding, tackling, tripping, clipping, cut blocking, etc. to protect his quarterback. If I had been an ODU QB I would have been scared to death.

Likely in 2016 technique will be better, reads will be better.
Intensity can be drilled somewhat, but a lot, if not most of that is personality.
Speed can be improved somewhat at this level. but I have my doubts with this group.

The 2015 line was big, but very slow.
These guys were likely the biggest on their respective teams in high school and basically just had to stand there.
Easier said than done of course, but IMO we should be recruiting smart aggressive athletes that may not be the beefiest right out of high school, but can use a redshirt year to bulk up and learn the system.

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I agree with your main message that we need to be recruiting strong fast athletes as opposed to big bodies. And I am not defending the coaching, but I have to disagree with you on the lack of penalties. I don't think that a lack of holding or personal fouls necessarily indicates a lack of intensity. I think it has more to do with discipline, and possibly some mastering of technique. As you say, "young players are called a lot on holds until they learn how to mask them". Maybe they have some. But I think it has more to do with discipline. Yes, you want to protect your quarterback, but you also don't want to take the team from a 3rd and 10 to a 3rd and 20. That will most likely result in a "run and punt" in BW's offense. Holding and PFs are drive killers and you want to avoid them at all costs. Maybe I'm misinterpreting that part of your message but if we lack intensity we need to be teaching intensity WITH discipline. How did it work out for Odell Beckam?
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Let's get a coach that can properly teach our guys to tackle with more than their arms.
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(02-08-2016 02:47 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 12:01 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Our offensive line has been sub par since the middle of the 2013 season when JuCo David Born went down, leaving JuCo DJ Morrell to carry the load.

Here we are going into 2016 with way too many questions.
Connor Mewborne (like Morrell and Born, an FCS recruit), arguably our best O Lineman since 2013, is gone. Good kid but no Born or Morrell.


This move had to be made.

Our almost fully FBS O line in 2015 was not nearly as good as our 2012 FCS offensive line was. In fact, I submit it has actually gotten worse each season since.

We blamed it on being young. Sure. Young players lack technique, miss assignments, get penalties.
I don't know how many missed assignments we had.
I don't know how many technique issues there are.
I DO know that we should have seen substantially more holding, as young players are called a lot on holds until they learn how to mask them.
Aggression/frustration penalties ie personal fouls. We had almost none the whole season! Seriously, to me that indicated a marked lack of intensity; and when protecting the QB along with almost no holding calls, an inexplicable lack of urgency. Let's face it, a proper offensive lineman will do almost anything, including holding, tackling, tripping, clipping, cut blocking, etc. to protect his quarterback. If I had been an ODU QB I would have been scared to death.

Likely in 2016 technique will be better, reads will be better.
Intensity can be drilled somewhat, but a lot, if not most of that is personality.
Speed can be improved somewhat at this level. but I have my doubts with this group.

The 2015 line was big, but very slow.
These guys were likely the biggest on their respective teams in high school and basically just had to stand there.
Easier said than done of course, but IMO we should be recruiting smart aggressive athletes that may not be the beefiest right out of high school, but can use a redshirt year to bulk up and learn the system.

07-coffee3

I agree with your main message that we need to be recruiting strong fast athletes as opposed to big bodies. And I am not defending the coaching, but I have to disagree with you on the lack of penalties. I don't think that a lack of holding or personal fouls necessarily indicates a lack of intensity. I think it has more to do with discipline, and possibly some mastering of technique. As you say, "young players are called a lot on holds until they learn how to mask them". Maybe they have some. But I think it has more to do with discipline. Yes, you want to protect your quarterback, but you also don't want to take the team from a 3rd and 10 to a 3rd and 20. That will most likely result in a "run and punt" in BW's offense. Holding and PFs are drive killers and you want to avoid them at all costs. Maybe I'm misinterpreting that part of your message but if we lack intensity we need to be teaching intensity WITH discipline. How did it work out for Odell Beckam?

I am not advocating for hit squads or goons. I believe in clean play.

Some of you may remember my analysis on the CAA zone when Laycock accused us of being a dirty team right after 4 PFs their loss to us. I provided the video clips to show that the "dirty" hits were in fact two unsportsmanlike jawing( no contact), a retaliatory push on the sidelines where no one even went down, and an inadvertent facemask that was immediately released.


However, I find it difficult to fathom that such a young OL is so disciplined that it never holds, and indeed our team was 4th in the nation in penalties, yet we were 86th in sacks. You may indeed be correct, and we are that disciplined, or it may be that they were just timid. Only the coaches know for sure.
Sacks and QB hits are drive killers as well.
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(02-08-2016 05:38 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 02:47 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 12:01 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Our offensive line has been sub par since the middle of the 2013 season when JuCo David Born went down, leaving JuCo DJ Morrell to carry the load.

Here we are going into 2016 with way too many questions.
Connor Mewborne (like Morrell and Born, an FCS recruit), arguably our best O Lineman since 2013, is gone. Good kid but no Born or Morrell.


This move had to be made.

Our almost fully FBS O line in 2015 was not nearly as good as our 2012 FCS offensive line was. In fact, I submit it has actually gotten worse each season since.

We blamed it on being young. Sure. Young players lack technique, miss assignments, get penalties.
I don't know how many missed assignments we had.
I don't know how many technique issues there are.
I DO know that we should have seen substantially more holding, as young players are called a lot on holds until they learn how to mask them.
Aggression/frustration penalties ie personal fouls. We had almost none the whole season! Seriously, to me that indicated a marked lack of intensity; and when protecting the QB along with almost no holding calls, an inexplicable lack of urgency. Let's face it, a proper offensive lineman will do almost anything, including holding, tackling, tripping, clipping, cut blocking, etc. to protect his quarterback. If I had been an ODU QB I would have been scared to death.

Likely in 2016 technique will be better, reads will be better.
Intensity can be drilled somewhat, but a lot, if not most of that is personality.
Speed can be improved somewhat at this level. but I have my doubts with this group.

The 2015 line was big, but very slow.
These guys were likely the biggest on their respective teams in high school and basically just had to stand there.
Easier said than done of course, but IMO we should be recruiting smart aggressive athletes that may not be the beefiest right out of high school, but can use a redshirt year to bulk up and learn the system.

07-coffee3

I agree with your main message that we need to be recruiting strong fast athletes as opposed to big bodies. And I am not defending the coaching, but I have to disagree with you on the lack of penalties. I don't think that a lack of holding or personal fouls necessarily indicates a lack of intensity. I think it has more to do with discipline, and possibly some mastering of technique. As you say, "young players are called a lot on holds until they learn how to mask them". Maybe they have some. But I think it has more to do with discipline. Yes, you want to protect your quarterback, but you also don't want to take the team from a 3rd and 10 to a 3rd and 20. That will most likely result in a "run and punt" in BW's offense. Holding and PFs are drive killers and you want to avoid them at all costs. Maybe I'm misinterpreting that part of your message but if we lack intensity we need to be teaching intensity WITH discipline. How did it work out for Odell Beckam?

I am not advocating for hit squads or goons. I believe in clean play.

Some of you may remember my analysis on the CAA zone when Laycock accused us of being a dirty team right after 4 PFs their loss to us. I provided the video clips to show that the "dirty" hits were in fact two unsportsmanlike jawing( no contact), a retaliatory push on the sidelines where no one even went down, and an inadvertent facemask that was immediately released.


However, I find it difficult to fathom that such a young OL is so disciplined that it never holds, and indeed our team was 4th in the nation in penalties, yet we were 86th in sacks. You may indeed be correct, and we are that disciplined, or it may be that they were just timid. Only the coaches know for sure.
Sacks and QB hits are drive killers as well.

I kinda sorta at lease see where you are coming from, but personal fouls and holding calls are also drive killers.
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RE: Michael Zyskowski, Bill Dee Fired
Heard Dee couldnt close the deal on area recruits this year. Kevin Staton a two star player and a Dee recruit picked Norfolk State over ODU. http://247sports.com/Player/Kevin-Staton-71007
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(02-11-2016 02:15 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  Heard Dee couldnt close the deal on area recruits this year. Kevin Staton a two star player and a Dee recruit picked Norfolk State over ODU. http://247sports.com/Player/Kevin-Staton-71007

Any relation to Richie Staton? If so, his departure from ODU probably didn't help.
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Something happened with Staton. He was committed to San Diego State, but they changed their minds on him. (had the grades, apparently) Did he have a poor senior year?
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(02-11-2016 02:23 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Something happened with Staton. He was committed to San Diego State, but they changed their minds on him. (had the grades, apparently) Did he have a poor senior year?

my youngest goes to the same high school. I have to admit that the team was so bad this year, we only went to one game. And that game was when my oldest son was home from college in September.
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(02-11-2016 02:53 PM)odubsu Wrote:  
(02-11-2016 02:23 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Something happened with Staton. He was committed to San Diego State, but they changed their minds on him. (had the grades, apparently) Did he have a poor senior year?

my youngest goes to the same high school. I have to admit that the team was so bad this year, we only went to one game. And that game was when my oldest son was home from college in September.

I assume your kid goes to Great Bridge? Kevin Staton transfer to Indian River right before the season started.

From the person that told me Dee couldnt close the deal also said Staton mother was demanding and rude.
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(02-08-2016 11:09 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Is there anyone on staff now that might be moved to O-line? In typical fashion, I have asked the question without doing my own research. I will take a look at it (coachs' bios) and let you know what I come up with.

EDIT:

Kyle Jolly is a graduate assistant who works with the O-line. He started three years at left tackle for UNC and had some time with the Steelers and Falcons. However, he only recently joined the staff as a graduate assistant, so I would not think he is a viable candidate. No one else on staff looks like a good fit.

http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...EASON=2015

Its to my understanding that Jolly is no longer with the program.
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(02-11-2016 08:36 PM)Monarch2014 Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 11:09 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Is there anyone on staff now that might be moved to O-line? In typical fashion, I have asked the question without doing my own research. I will take a look at it (coachs' bios) and let you know what I come up with.

EDIT:

Kyle Jolly is a graduate assistant who works with the O-line. He started three years at left tackle for UNC and had some time with the Steelers and Falcons. However, he only recently joined the staff as a graduate assistant, so I would not think he is a viable candidate. No one else on staff looks like a good fit.

http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...EASON=2015

Its to my understanding that Jolly is no longer with the program.

Is that recent, or has he been gone for a while?
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